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onwebcam · 09-19-2017, 08:46 PM

50 Lefty's committing mass suicide soon

ilnjscb · 09-19-2017, 09:07 PM

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^^^ TrIgGeReD!

NeRD!!

2MuchMark · 09-19-2017, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Trump said his campaign was wiretapped. The mainstream media said nah you're a kook. Now they say his campaign manager was wiretapped. So Trump was right. Media again wrong...

No, Trump never said this. On March 4th 2017 Trump Tweeted "Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!".

Kinda different.

2MuchMark · 09-19-2017, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

What wins elections is votes, not NYT articles and sipping fuckin lattes.

I completely agree.

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

When the house goes blue in 2018 then we'll talk. Until then this is all useless circle jerk bullshit.

I disagree. The faster the truth comes out and the sooner Justice is served, the better.

ilnjscb · 09-19-2017, 09:43 PM

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I completely agree.

I disagree. The faster the truth comes out and the sooner Justice is served, the better.

You're being duped. What voters have you personally swayed? If none.... if over ten, then congrats, believe whatever cuckoo shit you want.

OneHungLo · 09-19-2017, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

You're being duped. What voters have you personally swayed? If none.... if over ten, then congrats, believe whatever cuckoo shit you want.

They hate it when you tell it like it is. They are a very delusional bitter and nasty bunch who have been hanging their hats on Trump being indicted on some type of collusion crime. Poor bastards are STILL beating that dead horse lol

ilnjscb · 09-20-2017, 12:15 AM

What I, and any smart democrat fears, is not only does this not touch Trump, but it reflects poorly on the Obama admin at a time when republicans control congress.

Right now the WSJ, a publication none of these boneheads read since they only read far left crap, is saying hearings need to be held that a candidate from an out of power party was wiretapped. This will give Manafort courage and turn the independents away from Dems.

Much smarter would have been to go after turnout, but that takes effort, something the Bernie Bros don't want to put out.

There IS a war in the dem party and I know which side I'm on

Paul Markham · 09-20-2017, 12:27 AM

If he broke the law indict him.

Bladewire · 09-20-2017, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If he broke the law indict him.

He didn't register as a foreign agent, and he was one.

2MuchMark · 09-20-2017, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

You're being duped. What voters have you personally swayed? If none.... if over ten, then congrats, believe whatever cuckoo shit you want.

Look at it this way,

Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, were convinced that Hillary had some kind of CP thing going on in a Pizza Parlour (Pizzagate), among other things.

Someone out there, treated everyone like the idiots that they are, and walked right over them.

If this isn't talked. If people do nothing at all, the same thing can happen again.

And, there's no reason at all why it would be Trump or another republican that could do it.

Think about it, talk about it. Let the truth come out and the scumbags go to prison, but don't let it happen again.

2MuchMark · 09-20-2017, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

They hate it when you tell it like it is. They are a very delusional bitter and nasty bunch who have been hanging their hats on Trump being indicted on some type of collusion crime. Poor bastards are STILL beating that dead horse lol

But what if it turns out to be true?

I know you're a Trump Supporter, but here me out. What if you think he's the worlds nicest guy, but it turns out that he and others broke the law and lied to you about it in order to win? What if he lied to you about it? Would you still have all kinds of love for him?

Helix · 09-20-2017, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

But what if it turns out to be true?

I know you're a Trump Supporter, but here me out. What if you think he's the worlds nicest guy, but it turns out that he and others broke the law and lied to you about it in order to win? What if he lied to you about it? Would you still have all kinds of love for him?

The flip side of the coin for you to ponder.

I know you're a Hillary Supporter, but hear me out. What if you think she's the worlds nicest lady, but it turns out that Hillary, Wasserman Schultz and the DNC and others broke the law to derail Bernie's campaign and lied to you about it in order to win? What if she lied to you about it? Would you still have all kinds
of love for her?

Rochard · 09-20-2017, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Look at it this way,

Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, were convinced that Hillary had some kind of CP thing going on in a Pizza Parlour (Pizzagate), among other things.

Someone out there, treated everyone like the idiots that they are, and walked right over them.

If this isn't talked. If people do nothing at all, the same thing can happen again.

And, there's no reason at all why it would be Drumpf or another republican that could do it.

Think about it, talk about it. Let the truth come out and the scumbags go to prison, but don't let it happen again.

I'm so tired of this already.

We had a dozen investigations into Hillary Clinton. We knew in both cases that there was no crime committed. With the emails we knew no crime was committed; There is no law that says the Secretary of State cannot store or send classified material from a private email server - in fact, this is common both at the State Department and Congress. (Oddly enough, we haven't investigated any one else about how they sent out classified emails even though we know dozens used the same exact system.) For some reason we had to investigate Benghazi multiple times. Not sure why, because the Secretary of State clearly didn't break any laws nor did anyone else.

On the other hand we have a President in office who clearly had help from a foreign government. A political candidate with zero political experience lied about everything and managed to defy logic and all of the polls and somehow won an election much to everyone's surprise? At the same time we have the Russians who hacked the DNC to release information, we have Russia buying political ads on Facebook, We have dozens and dozens of secret meetings between the Russian government the Trump people and if that isn't enough the Trump people lied about all of it - including lying under oath about meetings with the Russian government. At the very exact moment we have Trump's son setting up a secret line of communication with the Russian government?

Think about this for a moment... Someone with no political experience at all is setting up a secret line of communication with the Russian government. We have the entire State Department to guide the president in such matters and he is going to ignore EVERYONE because "he knows better"? Does anyone really think Trump knows better? Really?

We have a president with no experience who clearly is fucking everything up, with evidence every time we turn around that he got help from a foreign government... He gave his first speech at the UN and pretty much threatened to destroy another country for no reason at all. He has the lowest approval rating of any President in modern history, and has accomplished NOTHING at all.

This is worst case scenario. It cannot get any worst than this.

thommy · 09-20-2017, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

What wins elections is votes, not NYT articles and sipping fuckin lattes. When the house goes blue in 2018 then we'll talk. Until then this is all useless circle jerk bullshit.

in this case NO ! trump won by NO VOTERS

i really don´t understand that red hats argument always with the majority.
how can the majority agree with him when 2/3 of the citizens ( and THIS IS THE MAJORITY) did not even go to vote ?

explain me this maths.

onwebcam · 09-20-2017, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

No, Trump never said this. On March 4th 2017 Trump Tweeted "Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!".

Kinda different.

Manafort was staying in Trump Tower and that was campaign headquarters so it's safe to assume he's correct.

onwebcam · 09-20-2017, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

He didn't register as a foreign agent, and he was one.

Neither did the Podesta Group one of his partners in crime. They also didn't disclose it in filings.

Rochard · 09-20-2017, 02:02 PM

And yet today there is still yet more information coming forward....

Now we have found out using social media the Russian government sponsored Pro Trump rallies and anti Clinton rallies.

Russian groups organized pro-Trump rallies on Facebook: report | TheHill

Every time we turn around we are finding out the Russians did something else.

It's painfully obvious that they've caught Manafort doing something very bad, and he will be facing jail time. They will say "If you know anything about Trump / Russian collusion, you need to tell us or you will spend decades in jail". We already know there was collusion; Jared was talking to the Russians about using a secret Russian facility in the United States so they could communicate in secret. WTF?

This is going to crash down.

Rochard · 09-20-2017, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Neither did the Podesta Group one of his partners in crime. They also didn't disclose it in filings.

Great, wonderful, magical. Then let's official charge them with lying under oath. At the same time, we can charge everyone else who lied under oath starting with Jeff Sessions. In fact, it's fucking stunning that the leader of the Justice Department has lied under oath, been caught multiple times, and is still allowed to keep his job.

I can care less about Podesta. Lock his ass up and throw away the key. But we need to start holding EVERYONE accountable for their actions.

Rochard · 09-20-2017, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

in this case NO ! trump won by NO VOTERS

i really don´t understand that red hats argument always with the majority.
how can the majority agree with him when 2/3 of the citizens ( and THIS IS THE MAJORITY) did not even go to vote ?

explain me this maths.

It's based on the majority of people who voted. If only 2/3 of the country votes, those 2/3 decide who is president.

Simple math.

kane · 09-20-2017, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

in this case NO ! trump won by NO VOTERS

i really don´t understand that red hats argument always with the majority.
how can the majority agree with him when 2/3 of the citizens ( and THIS IS THE MAJORITY) did not even go to vote ?

explain me this maths.

We don't have a law that requires you to vote. If you choose not to vote, you have no say in who runs the country. If a person didn't vote and doesn't like who won, they should blame themselves first.

crockett · 09-20-2017, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

They hate it when you tell it like it is. They are a very delusional bitter and nasty bunch who have been hanging their hats on Trump being indicted on some type of collusion crime. Poor bastards are STILL beating that dead horse lol

Yep, just like everything else, you right wing conspiracy nuts always know the "real" truth..because Alex Jones has the inside scoope!

Rochard · 09-20-2017, 02:43 PM

And now we find out Manafort wanted to give weekly briefings to a Russian about the Trump Campaign and how it was doing - and most likely what it needed help with.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.276ec4ec4dae

Why the fuck would Manafort - or anyone from the Trump Campaign - want to give Oleg Deripaska, an aluminum magnate, weekly briefings about the Trump Campaign?

And for the love of fucking god, why would anyone discuss this in an email?

Barry-xlovecam · 09-20-2017, 03:06 PM

Now that the shoe is on the other foot -- the then tea partistas now alt-right trolls whine like crybabies. It would be amusing if it wasn't so pathetic ...

thommy · 09-20-2017, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

We don't have a law that requires you to vote. If you choose not to vote, you have no say in who runs the country. If a person didn't vote and doesn't like who won, they should blame themselves first.

that is correct - but it does not make the fact smaller that trump is NOT voted by the majority of the citizens.
he is not even voted from the majority of voters.

he is there because many people did not go to vote because the media saw hillary in front. and he is there because of a very strange an undemocratic election process what gives even the one with less votes the chance to win.

right or not right ?

ilnjscb · 09-20-2017, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Look at it this way,

Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, were convinced that Hillary had some kind of CP thing going on in a Pizza Parlour (Pizzagate), among other things.

Someone out there, treated everyone like the idiots that they are, and walked right over them.

If this isn't talked. If people do nothing at all, the same thing can happen again.

And, there's no reason at all why it would be Trump or another republican that could do it.

Think about it, talk about it. Let the truth come out and the scumbags go to prison, but don't let it happen again.

Then will you promise me, here and now, to do BOTH? If this is important to you, fine, but will you also try to influence votes in swing states by calling, or even going there to take people to polls? Write real paper letters to senior citizens who didn't vote? Encourage younger voters to register and vote?

That way you're covered in case this Russia thing doesn't work out.

onwebcam · 09-20-2017, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Then will you promise me, here and now, to do BOTH? If this is important to you, fine, but will you also try to influence votes in swing states by calling, or even going there to take people to polls? Write real paper letters to senior citizens who didn't vote? Encourage younger voters to register and vote?

That way you're covered in case this Russia thing doesn't work out.

Mark isn't from the US. If he did any of the sort then he would be a foreigner meddling in a US election.

Rochard · 09-20-2017, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Now that the shoe is on the other foot -- the then tea partistas now alt-right trolls whine like crybabies. It would be amusing if it wasn't so pathetic ...

But this is the way the Republican party operates. I used to be a hardcore Republican until the Whitewater investigation. During the Whitewater investigation they asked questions that were completely related to the investigation, and at a certain point they were just fishing - looking for anything that might make the president look bad. They didn't find anything, and all they got was forcing the President into a corner asking personal questions about his sex life that never should have been asked in the first place. It was disgusting.

Then with Hillary they've painted her as being corrupt and a criminal, when in fact over a dozen investigations has proven no wrong doing and no charges. These were obviously nothing more than witch hunts with the intention of making Hillary Clinton look bad. This is not how our government is supposed to operate.

Now we have this Russian investigation. We already know there was collusion between the Trump Campaign in the Russian government. This is no longer open to debate. We know that Jared was talking to the Russian government about communicating in secret. We have secret meetings all over the place, Manfort offering weekly briefings, secret meetings in the Indian Ocean, leaders of foreign countries secretly flying into the US for yet more secret meetings.

It's pretty obvious what happened. This is going to play itself out. Just today the investigation outlined thirteen areas were they want further documentation from the White House.

This is going to be bigger than Watergate.

onwebcam · 09-20-2017, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

But this is the way the Republican party operates. I used to be a hardcore Republican until the Whitewater investigation. During the Whitewater investigation they asked questions that were completely related to the investigation, and at a certain point they were just fishing - looking for anything that might make the president look bad. They didn't find anything, and all they got was forcing the President into a corner asking personal questions about his sex life that never should have been asked in the first place. It was disgusting.

Then with Hillary they've painted her as being corrupt and a criminal, when in fact over a dozen investigations has proven no wrong doing and no charges. These were obviously nothing more than witch hunts with the intention of making Hillary Clinton look bad. This is not how our government is supposed to operate.

Now we have this Russian investigation. We already know there was collusion between the Trump Campaign in the Russian government. This is no longer open to debate. We know that Jared was talking to the Russian government about communicating in secret. We have secret meetings all over the place, Manfort offering weekly briefings, secret meetings in the Indian Ocean, leaders of foreign countries secretly flying into the US for yet more secret meetings.

It's pretty obvious what happened. This is going to play itself out. Just today the investigation outlined thirteen areas were they want further documentation from the White House.

This is going to be bigger than Watergate.

You know nothing of the sort. All you know is the same media sources that lied to you all during the election that has lied since the election, claims some anonymous sources are saying this and that.

The article you posted about Manafort supposedly selling weekly updates. So you think he's willing to sell information to some Russian billionaire but not his partner in crime John Podesta? BTW your source.. John Podesta is a contributor for the Washington Post..... Maybe he's the anonymous source? https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/wp...=.f21fef76ccd8

He's been getting hammered by folks like me on WaPo linking him to Manafort.

kane · 09-20-2017, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

that is correct - but it does not make the fact smaller that trump is NOT voted by the majority of the citizens.
he is not even voted from the majority of voters.

he is there because many people did not go to vote because the media saw hillary in front. and he is there because of a very strange an undemocratic election process what gives even the one with less votes the chance to win.

right or not right ?

I have said many times that I think the electoral college that we use to elect the president is outdated and actually encourages corruption and lower voter turnout. If it were up to me, the presidential election would be just like all the others. The person with the most votes wins.

onwebcam · 09-20-2017, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

I have said many times that I think the electoral college that we use to elect the president is outdated and actually encourages corruption and lower voter turnout. If it were up to me, the presidential election would be just like all the others. The person with the most votes wins.

We would never have anything other than a democrat President. Ever. NYC and LA would be the decider of the election every time.

kane · 09-20-2017, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

We would never have anything other than a democrat President. Ever. NYC and LA would be the decider of the election every time.

I disagree and the math agrees with me. This country has people living all over it and many of those people are all over the political spectrum. A candidate would have to focus on the country as a whole because focusing on California and New York only is a sure way to lose.

crockett · 09-20-2017, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Helix

The flip side of the coin for you to ponder.

I know you're a Hillary Supporter, but hear me out. What if you think she's the worlds nicest lady, but it turns out that Hillary, Wasserman Schultz and the DNC and others broke the law to derail Bernie's campaign and lied to you about it in order to win? What if she lied to you about it? Would you still have all kinds
of love for her?

Hillary is the most vetted political person in our history because of morons like you..

onwebcam · 09-20-2017, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

I disagree and the math agrees with me. This country has people living all over it and many of those people are all over the political spectrum. A candidate would have to focus on the country as a whole because focusing on California and New York only is a sure way to lose.

Then how do you think Hillary got more votes by winning only 57 counties? She would have won by just those 57 counties out of the 3084

New York City Has More People Than Eight States
https://politicalwire.com/2016/08/15...-eight-states/

There are now more registered voters in California than the population of 46 states - LA Times
There are now more registered voters in California than the population of 46 states - LA Times

LA's population is larger than 42 states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_An...ty,_California

Helix · 09-20-2017, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Hillary is the most vetted political person in our history because of morons like you..

The "most vetted" political person in our history had the deck stacked in her favor and she still lost. Don't worry, I suspect she will be getting some more "vetting" soon.

kane · 09-20-2017, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Then how do you think Hillary got more votes by winning only 57 counties? She would have one by just those 57 counties out of the 3084

New York City Has More People Than Eight States
https://politicalwire.com/2016/08/15...-eight-states/

There are now more registered voters in California than the population of 46 states - LA Times
There are now more registered voters in California than the population of 46 states - LA Times

LA's population is larger than 42 states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_An...ty,_California

You are making the assumption that one candidate could win 100% of the vote in those areas which is not the case. Let's look at the math. Using the numbers from the last election, we can assume it will take about 65 million votes to win. So, if we add up all the votes Hillary got in the 10 most heavily populated states in the US it comes to a total of around 35.8 million. She is still about 30 million shy of winning. Meanwhile, Trump got about 31 million votes from those same states. Keep in mind that Trump openly admits that he didn't bother campaigning or spending money in New York or California. Had he done that he could have gotten more votes from those states.

So, after the voting is done in the 10 most popular states, both candidates still have a long ways to go and they are going to have to focus their campaigns on the rest of the country and not just the major cities.

Also, your argument that there would never be a Republican president is moot because G.W. Bush won the popular vote in 2004 by about 3 million votes.

2MuchMark · 09-20-2017, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Helix

The flip side of the coin for you to ponder.

I know you're a Hillary Supporter, but hear me out. What if you think she's the worlds nicest lady, but it turns out that Hillary, Wasserman Schultz and the DNC and others broke the law to derail Bernie's campaign and lied to you about it in order to win? What if she lied to you about it? Would you still have all kinds
of love for her?

First, I asked you first.

Next, Allow me to clarify.

I'm NOT a Hillary fan. I am however, a Dem, and a liberal thinker. I believe the election was stolen from Hillary Clinton, and that Trump is an illegitimate president.

Did Hillary derail Bernie? Yes I think she did. Was it illegal? I don't know but if it was, people need to go to jail. If she lied about it? Yes then she's a bitch and if there's a legal case for lying about it then she should go to jail too.

Now. Will you answer my question to you, good sir? If Trump turns out to be a criminal and he lied all kinds of lies to you to win your vote, would you still love the guy?

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Then will you promise me, here and now, to do BOTH? If this is important to you, fine, but will you also try to influence votes in swing states by calling, or even going there to take people to polls? Write real paper letters to senior citizens who didn't vote? Encourage younger voters to register and vote?

That way you're covered in case this Russia thing doesn't work out.

Mark isn't from the US. If he did any of the sort then he would be a foreigner meddling in a US election.

I think you're right...!

Rochard · 09-20-2017, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

You know nothing of the sort. All you know is the same media sources that lied to you all during the election that has lied since the election, claims some anonymous sources are saying this and that.

The article you posted about Manafort supposedly selling weekly updates. So you think he's willing to sell information to some Russian billionaire but not his partner in crime John Podesta? BTW your source.. John Podesta is a contributor for the Washington Post..... Maybe he's the anonymous source? https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/wp...=.f21fef76ccd8

He's been getting hammered by folks like me on WaPo linking him to Manafort.

They are anonymous sources because they would lose their jobs if they came out in public. It surely doesn't make them any less valid.

So far it seems that all of the information from anonymous sources have been correct.

Do I think Podesta is involved in handing out this information? Perhaps. I really think it's someone pretty high up in the FBI or CIA. It's Deepthroat V2.

Rochard · 09-20-2017, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Hillary is the most vetted political person in our history because of morons like you..

I am not a huge fan of Hillary, but I agree with you. She is by far the most vetted person in US history to run for office. We've had dozens of investigations and nothing has ever been found.

Rochard · 09-20-2017, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Then how do you think Hillary got more votes by winning only 57 counties? She would have won by just those 57 counties out of the 3084

New York City Has More People Than Eight States
https://politicalwire.com/2016/08/15...-eight-states/

There are now more registered voters in California than the population of 46 states - LA Times
There are now more registered voters in California than the population of 46 states - LA Times

LA's population is larger than 42 states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_An...ty,_California

And?

You are making the point that we have some cities that have more population to some states? Surprise. We have US cities that have more people than some countries.

bronco67 · 09-20-2017, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

But this is the way the Republican party operates. I used to be a hardcore Republican until the Whitewater investigation. During the Whitewater investigation they asked questions that were completely related to the investigation, and at a certain point they were just fishing - looking for anything that might make the president look bad. They didn't find anything, and all they got was forcing the President into a corner asking personal questions about his sex life that never should have been asked in the first place. It was disgusting.

Then with Hillary they've painted her as being corrupt and a criminal, when in fact over a dozen investigations has proven no wrong doing and no charges. These were obviously nothing more than witch hunts with the intention of making Hillary Clinton look bad. This is not how our government is supposed to operate.

Now we have this Russian investigation. We already know there was collusion between the Trump Campaign in the Russian government. This is no longer open to debate. We know that Jared was talking to the Russian government about communicating in secret. We have secret meetings all over the place, Manfort offering weekly briefings, secret meetings in the Indian Ocean, leaders of foreign countries secretly flying into the US for yet more secret meetings.

It's pretty obvious what happened. This is going to play itself out. Just today the investigation outlined thirteen areas were they want further documentation from the White House.

This is going to be bigger than Watergate.

It'll be bigger than anything that's ever happened. Even bigger than 9/11. It's a major big fucking deal to have a president installed by our biggest foreign adversary with the help of Americans.

bronco67 · 09-20-2017, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

They are anonymous sources because they would lose their jobs if they came out in public. It surely doesn't make them any less valid.

So far it seems that all of the information from anonymous sources have been correct.

Do I think Podesta is involved in handing out this information? Perhaps. I really think it's someone pretty high up in the FBI or CIA. It's Deepthroat V2.

These assholes just show their stupidity by not understanding why an anonymous source must be anonymous. When he hears the word anonymous, it automatically means some journalist made it up...unless the shoe was on the other foot and Hilary was president. Then journalists would be his hero and the most truthful people ever to walk the face of the earth.

Rochard · 09-20-2017, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

First, I asked you first.

Next, Allow me to clarify.

I'm NOT a Hillary fan. I am however, a Dem, and a liberal thinker. I believe the election was stolen from Hillary Clinton, and that Drumpf is an illegitimate president.

Did Hillary derail Bernie? Yes I think she did. Was it illegal? I don't know but if it was, people need to go to jail. If she lied about it? Yes then she's a bitch and if there's a legal case for lying about it then she should go to jail too.

Now. Will you answer my question to you, good sir? If Trump turns out to be a criminal and he lied all kinds of lies to you to win your vote, would you still love the guy?

I think you're right...!

I think the DNC favored Hillary, decided to go with her, and that was that. I do not believe this is illegal; There are no laws that state how the DNC or RNC operate in this area. (Correct me if i am wrong.) The DNC wanted Hillary. They surely did not and would not accept Bernie; Bernie is not really a democrat. Hillary has fifty years of being a Democrat while Bernie has what, two years?

I also think Trump was not elected by legit means - he had help from a foreign power. This is becoming more and more obvious every day. However, this surely does not mean Hillary gets to take his place. No matter what Hillary has not won the election, and in the event Trump is removed Pence would take his place. However, if Trump goes Pence would have to go too; The only reason Pence is in office is because the Trump campaign received help from a foreign power. Doesn't that put Ryan next in line? Not a huge fan of him, he has no spine, but at this point anyone other than Trump would be good.

Rochard · 09-20-2017, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

These assholes just show their stupidity by not understanding why an anonymous source must be anonymous. When he hears the word anonymous, it automatically means some journalist made it up...unless the shoe was on the other foot and Hilary was president. Then journalists would be his hero and the most truthful people ever to walk the face of the earth.

They are trying to make it out like these sources are not valid or fake, or at least not trustworthy. The press has always used anonymous sources, and always will.

The truth always comes out in the end.

Rochard · 09-20-2017, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

It'll be bigger than anything that's ever happened. Even bigger than 9/11. It's a major big fucking deal to have a president installed by our biggest foreign adversary with the help of Americans.

If it turns out the Russian government helped elect a US president, yes, it will be the biggest event to ever happen to the United States. It will be bigger than 9/11, Watergate, and JFK combined.

It also might lead us to war.

bronco67 · 09-20-2017, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It also might lead us to war.

Uhhh...no it won't.

Not with the president who can't say a single bad thing about Russia and a congress that can't pass a bill or wipe it's own ass.

bronco67 · 09-20-2017, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Yep, just like everything else, you right wing conspiracy nuts always know the "real" truth..because Alex Jones has the inside scoope!

We're talking about people who are trapped in the paradox of being too stupid to know how stupid they are.

onwebcam · 09-20-2017, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

They are anonymous sources because they would lose their jobs if they came out in public. It surely doesn't make them any less valid.

So far it seems that all of the information from anonymous sources have been correct.

Do I think Podesta is involved in handing out this information? Perhaps. I really think it's someone pretty high up in the FBI or CIA. It's Deepthroat V2.

Actually it's a felony to reveal details of a FISA warrant so whoever the leaker is, is a felon to be.. Likely already is but just another charge to add to the list.

onwebcam · 09-20-2017, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

If it turns out the Russian government helped elect a US president, yes, it will be the biggest event to ever happen to the United States. It will be bigger than 9/11, Watergate, and JFK combined.

It also might lead us to war.

If it turns out the Obama admin and Hillary colluded in spying on and sabotaging Trump with this fake Russia collusion coupled with the Awan case you can kiss the democratic party goodbye for decades.

Right now all you have is a guy under investigation for something he's already been investigated for that had nthing to do with Trump. In addition his partner in crime in it was the opposing parties campaign manager.

onwebcam · 09-20-2017, 10:21 PM

I'm now beginning to think the Susan Rice unmasking and the Manafort wiretappings are linked. All we ever got on the unmasking story was they were "caught up in surveillance of foreign targets."

crockett · 09-21-2017, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

And now we find out Manafort wanted to give weekly briefings to a Russian about the Trump Campaign and how it was doing - and most likely what it needed help with.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.276ec4ec4dae

Why the fuck would Manafort - or anyone from the Trump Campaign - want to give Oleg Deripaska, an aluminum magnate, weekly briefings about the Trump Campaign?

And for the love of fucking god, why would anyone discuss this in an email?

There is a special underling to that as well.. Trump came into office and slapped a sancation on Chinese aluminium.. Guess who directly benifited from that...

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