'Lips and teeth' no more as China's ties with North Korea fray - GoFuckYourself.com

brassmonkey · 09-08-2017, 01:47 PM

BEIJING (Reuters) - When Kim Jong Un inherited power in North Korea in late 2011, then-Chinese president Hu Jintao was outwardly supportive of the untested young leader, predicting that "traditional friendly cooperation" between the countries would strengthen.

Two years later, Kim ordered the execution of his uncle Jang Song Thaek, the country's chief interlocutor with China and a relatively reform-minded official in the hermetic state.

Since then, ties between the allies have deteriorated so sharply that some diplomats and experts fear Beijing may become, like Washington, a target of its neighbor's ire.

While the United States and its allies - and many people in China - believe Beijing should do more to rein in Pyongyang, the acceleration of North Korea's nuclear and missile capabilities has coincided with a near-total breakdown of high-level diplomacy between the two.

Before retiring this summer, China's long-time point man on North Korea, Wu Dawei, had not visited the country for over a year. His replacement, Kong Xuanyou, has yet to visit and is still carrying out duties from his previous Asian role, traveling to Pakistan in mid-August, diplomats say.

The notion that mighty China wields diplomatic control over impoverished North Korea is mistaken, said Jin Canrong, an international relations professor at Beijing's Renmin University.

"There has never existed a subordinate relationship between the two sides. Never. Especially after the end of the Cold War, the North Koreans fell into a difficult situation and could not get enough help from China, so they determined to help themselves."

A famine in the mid-1990s that claimed anywhere from 200,000 to three million North Koreans was a turning point for the economy, forcing private trade on the collectivized state. That allowed the North a degree of independence from outside aid and gave credence to the official "Juche" ideology of self-reliance.

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China fought alongside North Korea during the 1950-53 Korean War, in which Chinese leader Mao Zedong lost his eldest son, and Beijing has long been Pyongyang's chief ally and primary trade partner.

While their relationship has always been clouded by suspicion and mistrust, China grudgingly tolerated North Korea's provocations as preferable to the alternatives: chaotic collapse that spills across their border, and a Korean peninsula under the domain of a U.S.-backed Seoul government.

That is also the reason China is reluctant to exert its considerable economic clout, worried that measures as drastic as the energy embargo proposed this week by Washington could lead to the North's collapse.

Instead, China repeatedly calls for calm, restraint and a negotiated solution.

The North Korean government does not provide foreign media with a contact point in Pyongyang for comment by email, fax or phone. The North Korean embassy in Beijing was not immediately available for comment.

China's foreign ministry did not respond to a faxed request for comment. It has repeatedly spoken out against what it calls the "China responsibility theory" and insists the direct parties - North Korea, South Korea and the United States - hold the key to resolving tensions.

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EonBlue · 09-08-2017, 01:54 PM

Hopefully China takes him out, invades them and takes over. It would be way more stable having the Chinese in charge there.

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Bladewire · 09-08-2017, 02:07 PM

Trade with North Korea & China INCREASED this last year. This article doesn't mean shit unfortunately

pimpmaster9000 · 09-08-2017, 03:53 PM

Why would China help in creating a pro west unified nkorea? Don't be silly...

EonBlue · 09-08-2017, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

Why would China help in creating a pro west unified nkorea? Don't be silly...

Let China take North Korea over. Annex the damned thing and integrate it into mainland China. You don't see China launching missiles all over the place and threatening everyone with nuke and EMP attacks.

China is not the best friend of the west by any means but at least they would be more level headed and rational than the retard running the place now.

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brassmonkey · 09-08-2017, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

Why would China help in creating a pro west unified nkorea? Don't be silly...

uhhhhh fallout? much worse than the bad air they have now

i always wanted a chinese zombie movie! "egg foo zomb!"

ilnjscb · 09-08-2017, 06:46 PM

Let South Korea buy North Korea for 1 trillion

Bladewire · 09-08-2017, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

uhhhhh fallout? much worse than the bad air they have now

i always wanted a chinese zombie movie! "egg foo zomb!"

baddog · 09-08-2017, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Why would China help in creating a pro west unified nkorea? Don't be silly...

North Korea isn't unified?

baddog · 09-08-2017, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Let China take North Korea over. Annex the damned thing and integrate it into mainland China. You don't see China launching missiles all over the place and threatening everyone with nuke and EMP attacks.

China is not the best friend of the west by any means but at least they would be more level headed and rational than the retard running the place now.

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Paul Markham · 09-09-2017, 12:41 AM

Allow China to invade and run NK.

brassmonkey · 09-09-2017, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Allow China to invade and run NK.

would never happen. the united states does not want to border a super power

JuicyBunny · 09-09-2017, 04:16 AM

Anyone know the volume of bombs US and allies dropped on NK during Korean Conflict?

pimpmaster9000 · 09-09-2017, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

Anyone know the volume of bombs US and allies dropped on NK during Korean Conflict?

well they dropped more bombs that WW2 and WW1 combined just on vietnamese farmers...just "protecting the USA" and shit

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