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08-14-2017, 12:38 AM | #1 |
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ccbill flexiforms no one gets paid
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<script> if ( !( ("cookie" in document && (document.cookie.length > 0 || (document.cookie = "test").indexOf.call(document.cookie, "test") > -1)) ) ) { $( ".no_cookies" ).show(); window.cookieMissing = true; } </script> no one gets credit not even the webmaster of the site api.ccbill dot com/wap-frontflex/flexforms/3c6e39d5-e7a8-4c9b-8f6c-fe8a7dfa3aba webmaster only gets credit when account shows api.ccbill dot com/wap-frontflex/flexforms/eaf9bd54-473a-424c-ab2c-4ec51062fe1e?clientAccnum=948101&clientSubacc=0000 &formName=211cc&submit=Instant+Credit+Card+Acce ss no cookies at all means no one gets credit, so in my opinion those webmasters using flexiforms to stop referral credit are in fact losing credit for themselves
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Would be interesting to hear from CCBill how this is supposed to work.
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08-14-2017, 02:53 AM | #3 |
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Have you put through a test sale?
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last year i asked why i have active members for which i never received a signup email...
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Try reading the HTML source <POST> and inspect the hidden fields of the post
A form POST ALWAYS (should) has a referring URL. For billing servers an AUTHORIZED URL or it is rejected -- your link is no good^^ The seller's (merchant page) is always a known factor. An affiliate has an ID in the URL that should be carried into the data posted -- This passed from the merchant to the processor -- somehow. So far this is just drama. |
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d'oh the merchant's pay form referral.
How do you think they know it's a affiliate referral -- magic chipmunks tell them? Stick to wordpress ... |
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if not a cookie in document and (if not a cookie with length greater than zero OR cannot set test cookie) then using jQuery select the html element with the CSS class named "no_cookies" and show that html element in the document then set a document variable name cookieMissing to true because the surfer arrived here without having a cookie set in his browser. The html element (with CSS class no_cookies) that will show will not actually show because it's display style is none. <div class="no_cookies browser_warnings mask" style="display:none;"> Therefore I conclude that the flex form previously gave a warning to the surfer to enable cookies and provided a link for the surfer to follow to learn how to enable cookies. The link provided is Enable cookies - Enabling cookies - Turn cookies on PROOF : https://youtu.be/GpD4kW4uo2c See Sig for more of my work. Thanks |
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08-15-2017, 07:06 AM | #11 |
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I don't feel comfortable with those flex forms and I am telling that for a long time. Also, alt those N/A sales sources make me nervous, really nervous. My next project won't promote CCbill sites, that's for sure.
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I ran the same test on my end with one of my sites, the only time that div should be visible is when someone is not using cookies. So yes you have to have cookies turned on to be able to buy something that is using flexforms.
The only reason that I have some of our sites setup on flexforms, is due to the fact that I can change the specials and run A/B testing a lot easier than with the jpost forms. For me to have another sales option on a jpost form I have to get someone from ccbill to set it up and get approval For affiliates I would think that they like the new flexforms, due to the fact that cookies have to be on for them to work at all! With the jpost forms, if a surfer has cookies turned off, I still get the sale, but the affiliate gets no credit since it can't pull the id from the cookie The other reason that I'm thinking about switching all forms over to flexforms, is a perception of how fast the sales page loads. I haven't done actual tests yet, but it seems that over the peak traffic of the evening, that jpost forms seem to take a bit longer to load than flexforms. I'm not sure if that is just because most traffic still flows thru the jpost forms, and once the traffic evens out on jpost vs flexforms that they will both take the same time to load or not
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I don't think forcing a customer to enable cookies is the best answer to tracking. How often does the customer just close the window?
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With the legacy CCBILL payment page, I can view the source and verify that my affiliate ID is there.
This is not possible on the Flexforms payment page, and it is a problem. They really should add it so that affiliates can verify their tracking. |
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How is that supposed to help sales? LOL
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(My jpost forms are responsive anyway.)
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I've been using CCBill's FlexForms since day one (well over a year ago) and they work fine in regards to counting affiliate sales. The affiliates *do* get credit for the sales.
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I'm also a bit concerned about the cookies being off, and not being able to signup, because it is hard enough to get sales these days, I have no wish to put up any road blocks, if someone doesn't want to be tracked with cookies, then by all means let them be
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thanks clears a few things up, but do you like this working this way ?
not only affiliates worrying about all this then...........
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Thanks for the heads up babeterminal.
I've emailed them about this and am doing tests myself.
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it makes me wonder why they would omit the ability to check all tracking numbers on both sides
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cookies from working, which is not true. I only answered that question. As far as affiliate tracking; it can be done without using cookies. You have to ask ccbill if they track this way. |
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this makes even less sense, what are you trying to say?
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it also seems everyday we see this
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but this also opens a question, if they active cookies while on the ccbill join page how would the affiliate tracking code magically appear without clicking through the affiliate link,
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To be honest I wouldn't be too concerned with what happens to users with no cookies. It's a minimal amount of users. Basically everyone uses cookies. Ad blockers don't block CCBILL cookies to my knowledge.
If you use incognito/private browsing mode, cookies also work. Of course not if you quit the incognito browser window, then relaunch - then the cookie is lost. But in my experience, most sales are from impulse buys, not from returning visits. If cookies are the only way for affiliate tracking, you'd only use a tiny segment who use incognito mode AND buy later by typein. (As opposed to buying right away after using your link, or using your link again to visit the second time). One thing I'd be more concerned about is if CCBILL affiliate tracking works correctly at all. I do tests when promoting a new affiliate program. I use the CCBILL ref link, then check if my affiliate ID is present in the CCBILL payment page's HTML source. Many times I have to send multiple clicks before I see my CCBILL affiliate ID appear there. It is very worrying. And with FlexForms, you can't do such tests at all, since they won't show you the referring affiliate ID in the FlexForms payment page's HTML source code. You're totally in the dark with FlexForms programs. |
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I know that this is a bit off topic, but it has to do with flexforms & ccbill so I thought I'd see if anyone else has seen this when they switch from jpost to flexform.
So yesterday I was moving a set of sites over, and 1 of the sites we wanted an up-sell so I used flexforms instead of jpost. When I moved the sales page over to flexforms, the form hits no longer show up on the form hits - flexstats ???? It shows up on the old form hits report, just not the flexstats. I had this same issue a year ago with one of my other sites, never got ccbill to explain what they had to do to fix it, it just started working one day That's what really concerns me with ccbill, can't ever get them to admit that something is fucked up, and when they fix it, they act like it never happened Let us know your experiences btw I went ahead and ran actual sale last night with an affiliate code, and yes flexforms do credit affiliate sales even though the affiliate code doesn't show up on the page! Tim
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^^^ that's good. However, you should be able to pass the affiliate code on to the billing server without depending on cookies.
Non-cookie traffic is not that common, as you say (at least among buyers). |
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I have not had any problems with flex forms. I switched all of my jpost forms over to flex. I do not have data to support my claim, but I feel like sales are better. And it seems that week by week... there is more money paid out to affiliates.
If this stuff didn't work correctly, CCBill would be in some deep shit. I am sure these forms are working correctly. It would be nice though, if the aff. Id would show in view source. That would add some confidence for sure. |
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On CCBill's site: " If the consumer does not accept third party cookie tracking data we have a redundancy in place that will track the sale for that consumer for 24 hours."
Also, go into FF, right click > view page info > Security tab > show cookies button. Better to check this way rather than just looking at the source.
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I'm not really sure how they're labeled, though, so I can't give more input on that..
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We've been using flexforms for years, affiliates haven't complained..
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