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Barry-xlovecam · 08-07-2017, 02:21 PM

Researchers Find a Malicious Way to Meddle with Autonomous Tech | News | Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog

Mess with a roadsign and the neural software that works the cam could make a fatal error.

They should be able to fix this glitch however ...

Rochard · 08-07-2017, 02:46 PM

What's the difference between this and someone removing the sign?

Barry-xlovecam · 08-07-2017, 06:46 PM

Missing stop sign --that might fuck things up too.

bronco67 · 08-07-2017, 07:06 PM

I wonder if I'll ever ride in one of those sometime during my life. At this present moment, the idea of me being driven around by a computer seems like something I'll never want to do. When I was a teenager I had a buddy who made me nervous with his driving. He would purposely graze parked cars with his crappy Datsun and one time we flipped it over. I would trust him more than I trust a computer to drive me -- unless every car or a large majority was being controlled by computers.

Paul Markham · 08-08-2017, 01:30 AM

It's proven that automation is prone to fewer errors than humans.

pimpmaster9000 · 08-08-2017, 03:49 AM

they could hard code an anti crash system...speed signs are already memorized in maps...whether one takes them away or not does not make a lot of difference...I just would not like to be the first person to test these self driving cars...

CoolMikey · 08-08-2017, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

they could hard code an anti crash system...speed signs are already memorized in maps...whether one takes them away or not does not make a lot of difference...I just would not like to be the first person to test these self driving cars...

There are numerous things that can go wrong, basically anything that is not ordinary will fuck up the AI logic. Good example is snow or heavy rain, good luck driving when visibility is poor, in some areas that's 90% of the time. Or some construction workers waving you to stop or to move to the left, slim chance self driving cars will understand that any time soon. Even something as simple as rain puddles reflecting could confuse the shit out self driving cars.

I see this as an improved version of "cruise control", true self driving cars are at best decades away.

Bladewire · 08-08-2017, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Researchers Find a Malicious Way to Meddle with Autonomous Tech | News | Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog

Mess with a roadsign and the neural software that works the cam could make a fatal error.

They should be able to fix this glitch however ...

Paint two lines on the ground exiting the road and there you go! There was footage of a driverless car crashing because of incorrectly painted road during construction. Found it:

CoolMikey · 08-08-2017, 05:27 AM

^^^
Damn, the car didn't even attempt to avoid it or to slow down, it just rammed into that concrete barrier at full highway speed and there was nothing even particularly tricky about this situation. Good luck to all Tesla owners that get to beta test this feature, it certainly won't be me.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-08-2017, 05:38 AM

It is possible that road signs could be premapped into the 'auto-drive' software but then there could be human errors in the mapping. Do you accept Googlemaps as your overlord and savior?

2MuchMark · 08-08-2017, 05:59 AM

Well first there's no way of knowing by this video that the car was in autonomous mode when it crashed. The car's data recorder would know, but we can't know from this video.

Regardless, if it was in autonomous mode, you can bet that Tesla will use this to improve the AI, making errors like this a thing of the past. In fact, not only will this car learn, but ALL Tesla cars learn to avoid this and other mistakes with each over-the-air software update. Humans and their cars won't.

pimpmaster9000 · 08-08-2017, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CoolMikey

There are numerous things that can go wrong, basically anything that is not ordinary will fuck up the AI logic. Good example is snow or heavy rain, good luck driving when visibility is poor, in some areas that's 90% of the time. Or some construction workers waving you to stop or to move to the left, slim chance self driving cars will understand that any time soon. Even something as simple as rain puddles reflecting could confuse the shit out self driving cars.

I see this as an improved version of "cruise control", true self driving cars are at best decades away.

it is still in its infancy...needs more time to develop...IR cameras would easily make sense of low visibility like rain/snow etc...its not hard to beat humans at driving...

Barry-xlovecam · 08-08-2017, 06:23 AM

If a human driver runs a stop sign and causes an accident -- even a fatal injury accident -- is there a real difference here? The human driver is 1000's of times more likely to cause this type of accident. There is no 100% safe transport. Auto-pilot has worked on airplanes for many years -- this is just a lot more complex. Auto-pilot has warning bells and human pilots can take over in navigation emergency -- driverless cars are science fiction today.

Paul Markham · 08-08-2017, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CoolMikey

There are numerous things that can go wrong, basically anything that is not ordinary will fuck up the AI logic. Good example is snow or heavy rain, good luck driving when visibility is poor, in some areas that's 90% of the time. Or some construction workers waving you to stop or to move to the left, slim chance self driving cars will understand that any time soon. Even something as simple as rain puddles reflecting could confuse the shit out self driving cars.

I see this as an improved version of "cruise control", true self driving cars are at best decades away.

Snow, Heavy rain, visibility are better with automated cars. There needs a lot more work on Automated cars before they can deal with one off's like traffic diversions for roadworks, or a man telling drivers to pull to the left or right to avoid something.

Grapesoda · 08-08-2017, 10:06 AM

[QUOTE=Rochard;21938629]What's the difference between this and someone removing the sign?[/ hey Richard the cars today read information from the reflectors glued to the road along the stripes I'm sure they could add a little stop sign notification if it's not there already but honestly there's a couple of deals about self-guided cars that make me a little uncomfortable one how are you going to feel driving your car when 80% of the cars around you are on autopilot what's that going to be like and two what's it going to be like when say an agency or organization can grab every camera on the network so we have a hundred thousand cameras at their disposal to search for other cars or run face profiles or anything they want through and this whole thing was written on my phone speech to text should be interesting

Grapesoda · 08-08-2017, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

it is still in its infancy...needs more time to develop...IR cameras would easily make sense of low visibility like rain/snow etc...its not hard to beat humans at driving...

Cadillac already has IR cameras in their top in cars

Grapesoda · 08-08-2017, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Well first there's no way of knowing by this video that the car was in autonomous mode when it crashed. The car's data recorder would know, but we can't know from this video.

Regardless, if it was in autonomous mode, you can bet that Tesla will use this to improve the AI, making errors like this a thing of the past. In fact, not only will this car learn, but ALL Tesla cars learn to avoid this and other mistakes with each over-the-air software update. Humans and their cars won't.

Facebook has more real-time data to work on a i as does Google. Tesla really lacks on the input for AI development

Barry-xlovecam · 08-08-2017, 10:16 AM

Tesla is doing a $1.5 billion bond offering

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKBN1AN13I

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The move to issue junk bonds - lower-quality investments that offer higher yields - represents a bet by Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk that bond investors will be as hungry as stock investors to back the company on expectations that its Model 3 will be a hit.

Tesla shares are up 67 percent this year, pushing the company's market value to about $60 billion, above that of top U.S. automakers General Motors Co (GM.N) and Ford Motor Co (F.N), even though Tesla has yet to make an annual profit.

Tesla will have the cash to buy the data and the talent ...

08-07-2017, 02:21 PM	#1
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Self driving autos may be more dangerous than you think ... Researchers Find a Malicious Way to Meddle with Autonomous Tech \| News \| Car and Driver \| Car and Driver Blog Mess with a roadsign and the neural software that works the cam could make a fatal error. They should be able to fix this glitch however ...

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bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,035	I wonder if I'll ever ride in one of those sometime during my life. At this present moment, the idea of me being driven around by a computer seems like something I'll never want to do. When I was a teenager I had a buddy who made me nervous with his driving. He would purposely graze parked cars with his crappy Datsun and one time we flipped it over. I would trust him more than I trust a computer to drive me -- unless every car or a large majority was being controlled by computers. __________________

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pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	they could hard code an anti crash system...speed signs are already memorized in maps...whether one takes them away or not does not make a lot of difference...I just would not like to be the first person to test these self driving cars... __________________ Report a suspicious cracker: Click Here

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Missing stop sign --that might fuck things up too.

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CoolMikey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 174	^^^ Damn, the car didn't even attempt to avoid it or to slow down, it just rammed into that concrete barrier at full highway speed and there was nothing even particularly tricky about this situation. Good luck to all Tesla owners that get to beta test this feature, it certainly won't be me. __________________

08-08-2017, 05:38 AM	#10
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	It is possible that road signs could be premapped into the 'auto-drive' software but then there could be human errors in the mapping. Do you accept Googlemaps as your overlord and savior?

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2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 45,813	Well first there's no way of knowing by this video that the car was in autonomous mode when it crashed. The car's data recorder would know, but we can't know from this video. Regardless, if it was in autonomous mode, you can bet that Tesla will use this to improve the AI, making errors like this a thing of the past. In fact, not only will this car learn, but ALL Tesla cars learn to avoid this and other mistakes with each over-the-air software update. Humans and their cars won't. __________________ VideoChat Solutions \| Custom Software \| IT Support https://www.2much.net \| https://www.lcntech.com

08-08-2017, 06:23 AM	#13
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	If a human driver runs a stop sign and causes an accident -- even a fatal injury accident -- is there a real difference here? The human driver is 1000's of times more likely to cause this type of accident. There is no 100% safe transport. Auto-pilot has worked on airplanes for many years -- this is just a lot more complex. Auto-pilot has warning bells and human pilots can take over in navigation emergency -- driverless cars are science fiction today.

08-08-2017, 10:06 AM	#15
Grapesoda your favorite band sucks! Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 46,150	[QUOTE=Rochard;21938629]What's the difference between this and someone removing the sign?[/ hey Richard the cars today read information from the reflectors glued to the road along the stripes I'm sure they could add a little stop sign notification if it's not there already but honestly there's a couple of deals about self-guided cars that make me a little uncomfortable one how are you going to feel driving your car when 80% of the cars around you are on autopilot what's that going to be like and two what's it going to be like when say an agency or organization can grab every camera on the network so we have a hundred thousand cameras at their disposal to search for other cars or run face profiles or anything they want through and this whole thing was written on my phone speech to text should be interesting __________________ I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned. $.02