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Does Canada have open borders?

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No and they require immigrants to speak English...go figure

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If the real cost of illegal migration was passed onto the tax payers. There would be very few in favour of it.

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Bladewire

Right Paul, all the data we have in America is fake, only YOU know the REAL cost and it would blow people's minds. From your little creaky chair in your little creaky house house in Czechoslovakia

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How's your Czech Paul?

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What data?

The US is sinking into debt, is that your data?



Do you see how much tax is raised from employment?



Can you see where they spend the most?

That's where the problem is.

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Tasty1

So the non-native indians also will get reservations when the new immigrants arrive?
And later the new immigrants will pay compensation to the traditional migrants?

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This is a problem with some white people. They think everyone is talking about them.
They're probably just talking the same bullshit nonsense everyone talks about to get thru the day.

I knew a Jewish guy who was married to a Polish woman and didn't want his kids to learn Polish cause he didn't want his kids and their mom to talk about him in a language he didn't understand.

Typical.

As for immigration, yeah, why not raise the quality level.

Knee jerk anti-Trumpism is as bad as knee-jerk Trumpism.

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Bladewire

Lol @ the Jewish guy too funny

Regarding Trumps immigration plan I don't think people are realizing that whether the immigrants coming in are are skilled or not, they're still taking jobs, and they are happy to work for less usually.

I saw a documentary about Somoli immigrants being brought in to work at meat packing plants because Americans didn't want to slaughter at de-gut animals all day.

For many Somali refugees, the meat industry offers hope ? then takes it away | The Washington Post

Immigrants are a good thing for our aging population, and they'll need work. I think only taking in highly skilled, and displacing our skilled workforce, could be a mistake. I think we should have a set number of unskilled that can immigrate if they have jobs already setup like at meat packing companies, sewage treatment plants, garbage pickup, etc.

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I think immigrants should at least learn the language...like for example if a low skilled UK guy went to CZ he should learn Czech...integrate and shit...just my 2c

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Refugees are immune because they are refugees in need of help and kindness is a universal language, but immigrants for sure should know the language it's best for integration into society

Here in California there are a few towns with only Spanish signs in the streets and businesses no English. Crazy

1-800-313-WETT

I think we need to build a wall between the USA and Canada so we can keep the Canadians from taking our jobs from our Mexicans. LOL

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ianmoone332000

Its not just taking jobs. Its changing the host country to suit your own needs and bringing all your problems with you. Thats another 2 acid attacks in England today. Muslims have brought suicide bombing, child grooming gangs, female genital mutilation, acid attacks, wife beating, inbreeding, forced marriage , hate mosques, turning parts of the country into 3rd world slums/shitholes, no go zones and tons of other stuff. I know some of those things existed before Muslims flooded in but its far more common in there communities. Time for a referendum so the British people can have there say. Far too big an issue for only the politicians to decide

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thommy

i think someone forgot to write a law that it is forbidden to rob a bank.
i was reading that this happend today somewhere.

so i think it will be the very best if the law is going to be changed and NOBODY can enter a bank anymore. if NOBODY can enter NOBODY can rob the bank.

do you like my idea, paul?

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pimpmaster9000

Integration seems to be a big deal for Paul but he did not integrate himself...also outsourcing to cheaper countries is bad but he outsourced to a cheaper country...he does not want low skilled migrants but he is a low skilled migrant...

Maybe double standards are natural for him and he does not understand that it is wrong to say one thing but do the exact opposite? He is double standard blind LOL

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thommy

but you say IT IS ALREADY LIKE THAT !!!!

and you are right. it is passed to all this people who benefit from it.
the ones what build houses with illegal mexican immigrants they should not do that and
don´t own a house.

the ones what paying a illegal mexican housemaids - they should not do that - their kids should learn to cook for them self or they should take a third job to pay the housemaid - ohhhh wait that won´t work - because from WHO would they steal this 3rd job?

you have to learn sooooo fucking much about economy!!!!

we live in a world where people have ALL they need for their life. if you want to sell them more you have to keep an eye on their budget.
if they can buy more for the same money you give them prosperity. this is a self ruling market because when everybody lose his job and can´t buy anymore the one who took the job will also lose it.

this market is balanced without any intervention on a very natural way.
the only big problem in all that is that rich people getting richer and poor people getting poorer. and THIS is something the fucker in the white house wants to make even worse
because he IS rich but he wants to become richer.
so he will do a fuck and change it. and all what he tells about world economy and connections between income and prosperity is so wrong that he would not even succeed
the entrance examination to a economic university. and such a guy shall fix it ?

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thommy

not only that - i think paul NEVER asked for the trade balance of a country when he bought camera equipment. 90% of camera parts are made in asia mainly in china.

i am also pretty sure that he sold his content to countries outside of the ones what having a trade deficit with whoever.
even when this is in the first step an EXPORT this same webmaster will sell it to customers in the whole world. and i would really like to see if someone would have bought the content if he can only deal with customers in countries what paul likes.

he does not understand that his own life would not work if his rules would be in power.
it´s hopeless !

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thommy

but that´s the point. WHY do western country urgently seek high skilled workers ?

answer: because there are not enough own ones !!!

illegal immigrants can not do that job and if they can they do not have to be illegal.

no immigration policy in the whole world is targeting low skilled workers.

we should really make a difference between immigrants and refugees. these are 2 pair of shoes and for the second group we have to blame ourselves that they are existing.

in a country like USA what have this illegals since GENERATIONS in the country it is again something else because the complete local economy is already calculating with them.
the local services would not work anymore and if so the costs for it would go to explode.

how can it mean something positive when costs in the local economy double up?
how can that bring prosperity to normal people ?

if the city park is cleaned by an american worker the city have to get this money from somewhere. and this will be the ordinary tax payer.
if he pays more tax he will buy a cheaper car or instead of buying a new car all 5 years he will buy it all 6 years. what happens now with the worker at the car factory? what happens with the car salesman?

i really think that this illegal workers are meanwhile the base of local pricing. get rid of them and everything will go up 20-30% or more. where shall that money come from?

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pimpmaster9000

paul suffers from psychological projection...sigmund freud described it as a coping mechanism where a person unconsciously rejects his own negative attributes and projects them on to other people..."we usually hate in others what we most hate in ourselves" was carl jung I believe...

paul feels guilt for betraying his country and being a low skilled immigrant who did not adapt...this is why he suffers from irony so much

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They haven't an answer to that one.

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Immigrants age.

For the jobs that pay so low Americans won't do them. Pay more.

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thommy

loool again paul markham logic - pay more means make the product more expensive - will you one day understand that?

how long did your father work to buy the first TV?

you want this times back ?????

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thommy

sure that was answered but you do not read it or you do not understand it

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pimpmaster9000

Yes but he will avoid the problem of rising costs due to expensive labor by simply ignoring it...also shareholders will be thrilled that their investment is now less lucrative and be stimulated to invest even more LOL

Paulonomics...

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So your logic is to borrow money and keep buying while millions are on low wages and unemployed. Where does is stop?

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So drop the quality level.

High skilled will always get a visa.

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thommy

noooo that is EXACTLY NOT what I mean. THIS is the US-way of fixing things since centuries and it has come to it´s limit.

the solution is also not done with one strike. there are many different problems what are causing this situation.

one of the major problems in USA (and here i agree with you) is the healthcare system what is not only making people poor it also makes them sick and unable to work.
every second American suffers from a chronic illness and that because precaution is too expensive and not obligate.

the second problem is that you can not destroy the countries of potential buyers and than complain that they do not buy but come into your country to survive.

look this:



every single of this bombs cost up to 200.000 dollar and WHO pays them?
HOW do they help the economy ? how can they produce potential buyers?

next thing is that trump still believes that oil and gas and coal will be the medium to have power over the world. he missed to jump into the alternative energies. what makes all those wars senseless and throws america in the position of a buyer and not in a position of a professional producer of this worldwide strongest growing market.

america slept in the past centuries because the lobby does not want changes. they want to keep their good lifes without changing anything.
and as long as they can do that there will not be a change til the country is completely bankrupt. and now america have a leader who is the worst of them.
so nothing will change - the rich will become richer and the poor become poorer.
and if you throw the illegal out of the country it will be worse because that will effect the prices - this prices the poor have to pay same as the rich. and guess who will be hurt more.

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This is the end of the THREAD. Reveals the real nature of the proposed RAISE act.

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I agree with you. Every attempt by the West to bring some sort of order in the ME has failed. They tried to punish Afghanistan then giver it a democracy. the same with all those countries, they should pull out of the ME and allow tyrants to rule. It would save a lot of time, lives and money.

With Afghanistan, they had to do something. After arming the Mujahideen they started to bomb the US, ending in 9/11. After they kick out Saddam the country was worse than before. Same with Libya and now it's Syrias turn.

The idea the fight is against the US is stupid. It's a fight against other Muslims, Sunni against Shia and Shia against Sunni. Then we have tribal allegiances.



We should pull out of all involvement in the ME, including Israel until it civilises itself.

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thommy

would be the best but is not easy to realize because of all this financial and political interests.

the radical islam will destroy itself because you are right when you say there a fighting muslims against muslims.
the mistake was to create an enemy for them what they can have in common.

but we can´t turn back the time - we HAVE this issue and all we can do is our best to prevent to make even more of them to terrorists.
the price we have to pay for that are this circumstances you are complaining but there is no other way as to pay what we´ve ordered.

it will also not be an easy or short way but it was also not a short way to where we are now.
if people are running away from their destroyed and chaotic countries we should stand for what the world have signed in the geneve refugee pact. maybe we will fail in 50% of all cases but the 50% we do NOT fail will help to spread the message.

if we give these people a future again in their home countries they will not come in masses and they will become welcome trading partners one day.
and then they should do and live however they want there - it is not our beer.

but we can not make them guilty for the situation we all have created just because money has a higher value as moral and empathy.

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I agree it's done so we need to deal with the problem. But to continue military action on people who are intent on killing other muslims is stupid. As you say it gives them justification for killing.

I do disagree with you that it will blow itself out. What do you base that evidence on?

Also refugees are meant to register in the first safe countries they land in, then return when the fighting is over. Clearly not the case.

As for giving them a future, that's what we tried in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and look what happened. Even in Egypt, there's been little change.

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Another big problem is Africa where millions of people have the Western dream.
The Geneva Refugee Convention is great and worked in some cases.
But not anymore, the world has changed in the 65 years it exists.
In Holland there are more and more people that want to change that Geneve Refugee contract and adjust it to modern times.
And NO, it is not just Geert Wiilders, but also left orientated parties.
The Geneva Contract also was specified for a specific problem in a specific timeframe (refugees before 1951) in certain countries, so you could a little expect what would come.
It was never was ment for every global problem, that came later (and looks like it is failing now).
So it doesn't work anymore, stop it and make a new plan.
A lot of European countries already gave the finger to the Geneva Refugee Convention

Luckily Curacao (Dutch Carribean) didn't sign the Geneva Refugee Convention>
Now they can sent the people of Venezuela back (80 kilomters from Venezuela)
Can you imagine Curacao had to take all people.... they will be bancrupt in a month.
Just like Europe can't (and don't want) to have all migrants.
The wall that is build already stops a lot of them, so that works.

Ofcourse refugees won't return home when they are settled and than go back to help their own country.
The idea that they come here and later come back is just false. Holland thought also the emigrants in the '60 and '70 would return (most didn't)
The older ones wait at least till they get their pension and take that money with them while most never will pay for the social system.
Holland has made new rules, if you have your pensions in a country that is cheaper, you get less money for pension to prevent too much money flowing out.
It is even so that 'refugees' from Eritrea having holidays in their home country and than return back to Holland.
kick them out, they are taking places for people that are in danger.

I just saw a documentary about that (NOT made bij Geert Wilders). It shows that if we sent them back immediatly (when they are not in danger, like 80% of the refugees) they won't come. You see that in Australia, people who arrive there illegal with a boat, won't get a visa. When some European countries build a wall, there where less 'refugees'. So making it more difficult for them from coming helps. When people from save countries know they won't even get it to a refugee camp, they won't come.

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probably because most if not all terrorist attacks, the ones that have you concerned, are made by LEGAL immigrants.

read that over a couple times in your head, let it sink in a little.

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Paul Markham

My objection to migration isn't based on terrorism. It's based on the effect it has on the working classes. UK wage stagnation.

Then there's the direct effect of house prices and rents, then the problems with Healthcare, education, crime, etc. At a time when more services are needed, the government has less money to supply them.

read that over a couple times in your head, let it sink in a little.

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