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07-24-2017, 09:54 PM | #51 | |
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Anyway I'll not argue that musical talent is some innate ability. I will however say that I believe that musical prowess and talent VERY LIKELY equates to a VERY powerful and strong mind and anyone who disagrees with that is probably confused |
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One other thing I can say for SURE is that when you're being lab ratted it's not so much like the internet "IQ test"
They have written sort of aptitude tests but that is only the beginning They want to know if you understand conceptual perception or whatever it is called, they want to name 9399085905309853 numbers at you and see how many you can repeat back to them, all KINDS of shit like that Assuming that it is a quantifiable at all thing I was told that I'm supposedly in the mid one sixties I don't think I would EVER have been enough of an egghead to make it into MENSA or the other one but I wasn't stupid back then- that's for sure. Another weird ass thing was, I knew everything already. All of the shit they were teaching me in grade school, I just knew It was eerie at times Except math I was always weak on math I was always afraid of math I am still very afraid of numbers and their power and I've had some horrifying number experiences in my drinking days. I could have been a very powerful math genius if I could have overcome some certain things, I believe that. |
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My grandfather was a mad genius - never met the guy but he could COMPOSE MUSIC right out of his mind
If you ask me, that equates to raw brilliance If you disagree about the importance of music- especially instrument music, you don't get this |
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Besides, the question in such examples is not "what was destroyed", the question is "how and where did the brain compensate" Further, your brain is highly "plastic" or adaptable. Meaning that when a lesion impairs some pathway, yet you persist in training the affected task/skill etc, your brain will figure out how to compensate for the impairment. A child (generally under the age of 6) can have 1/2 the hemisphere of their brain removed and develop full brain function to the extent that there are no outward signs of impairment. A simple example of this is the fact that autopsies show people with advanced Alzheimers all the time, yet they never showed a single symptom because they kept forcing their brain to work and find new pathways to accomplish a task... vs laying down and dying (teachers, scientists or whatever - people who place a high cognitive load on their brain daily). This is extremely common and never talked about except within science. Quote:
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One who took this further is K Anders Ericsson (leading expert on the development of Expertise) - where he began to do studies with a gentleman - reading out a series of numbers at 1-second intervals (so it can't be transferred to long term memory). He could initially do 7 easily. After some practice could reliably recite 8 digits back. After much more, he could do 9. The progress continued until he stopped i think of somewhere around 80 digits read to him at 1-second intervals. Others continued his work, passing 200. The world record now is i believe well beyond 400. That's listening to someone call out numbers at 1 second intervals for almost 7 minutes and then reciting them back. All learned. Not an innate gift. The point is that even something such as this which seems like a miraculous gift is nothing more than a learned skill that comes with intense practice. In particular, its simply about developing memory retrieval structures to organize and group the information in a meaningful manner so that it might be recited back correctly. The original guy used running scenarios - such as "on this date, at this time, xxxx people ran an xxx race and the best time was xx.xx.xx.xxx". Those tactics have to change as the strings of digits increase in length and the individual has to figure out new methods to organize, group and successfully retrieve the information. |
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You will never find an example of such a skill which wasn't developed with many 1000s of hours of practice of composing music (this also assumes a certain level of quality of the music). Further, these are typical myths which discount the effort which was invested in developing the skill of composing. It doesn't happen without hard work. Our brains all learn the same. If you could find such an example where someone was simply born to compose music and could compose great musical pieces "in their mind" and without a period of intense practice which directly correlates to the skill level... you'd be famous. |
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pretty easy to get a high IQ ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6kLBKTyNk
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Let's agree to disagree, Monsieur Squealer
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Depends on the year of your test, and the test, but, for most years, as I recall MENSA's cutoff would be 150. If you want to join a support group for being intelligent. |
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This thread is reminiscent of groups of guys you get high with that, after you get high, start going going off on these deep random tangents g
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I'm too bored with this subject to take the effort to write a serious comment...
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What I meant about wearing is that I've seen films where it looks as if his hippocampus may be functioning as he's playing music Neural plasticity IS amazing and I have read that many wizzled old bastads can come out of being all inane and addled by forcing their brain to do simple math and things before We don't know what mind or consciousness means or is really so you make another good point You are not as ridiculous as I thought that you were |
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I thought that MENSA was 170 or above but I think there are other factors I wasn't interested in the whole thing I didn't even love being lab ratted - I was 11 |
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I can't remember much of shit but they do some pretty fucking seemingly arbitrary tests to you This one makes a lot more sense to me now than it did when I was young I COULD NEVER do 200 or 400 that I am aware of I think I did close to 20 two digit ones |
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Though I am fascinated with the brain and really enjoy stuff like the work of VS Ramachandran and similar doctors - my obsession for the last 2 years has been motor learning and the acquisition of skill and expertise with respect to complex skills - and applying what i learn daily in our training, where we've seen incredible success and unbelievable rates of progress. I'm obsessed with it. |
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Going further than 7-8-9 digits means not only a LOT of practice but continually coming up with new retrieval strategies and methods of grouping and organizing the information in a manner in which it can be recalled without error. Usually relating it to something else or telling a story etc. To get to 200 pieces of information in short term memory and being able to recall it, i think it would take hundreds and hundreds of hours of practice and that assumes a strong dedication to doing it as well as successfully figuring out strategies to organize and group numbers in a manner in which they can be successfully recalled... though i'm sure the strategies of others can be searched online as a help. and by the way "20 two digit ones" can be "10 four digit ones" or "5 8 digit ones" etc... so how many pieces of information it technically is and whether or not you can recall it successfully, depends entirely on how your brain groups the numbers together and organizes them. Like a chessboard for example. You can arrange pieces on a board in a "game like" manner and ask an experienced chess player to stare at it for 10 seconds, then recreate it and he can. That's because he's not remembering each piece and where it's at,... he's recalling a simple pattern of pieces which has come up a lot in many years of playing chess. So that could technically be "one piece" of information... yet we look at it and call it "genius". Of course, when you put the pieces on the board in a random, non game-like manner... the experienced chess player does no better than any random person. There is always a chasm between what we perceive to be the skill (or ability) and what it actually is. We misperceive whats happening and then attribute it to genius or some innate talent. Thats never the actual case, however. |
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Mensa doesn't measure in IQ. You can become a member if you scored better then 98% of the other people who did the test. That's what an "IQ" test is... subjective... Always in comparison to other people's score... If you have a 98% percentile score and you lay an IQ tabel next to it... it roughly means we're talking about an "IQ" of 131 and above...
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Check this threads postcount... Maybe 98% of all gfy members didn't even post
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If a rough estimation would be 131+, what are they, a bunch of slightly clever morons? As addled as I currently am by damage done by alcohol and other factors, even I MYSELF should probably still be able to score higher than THAT. A common corporate DRONE would come close to THAT if you think about it Percentiles I remember but I can't remember if that was school or lab ratting My percentile was ALWAYS a cunt hair off of 100 .. not 98 but a cunt hair off of EXCEPT for a couple of times in school where math dropped me down. I am afraid of math but I would be good at math |
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We know full well that dumbfucks cannot HELP BUT POST ALWAYS We can infer from that incomplete bit of information that the silent ones are the intelligent ones because a lack of water is just like fire So there ya go We found you out LURKERS |
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Also when I did quite a few two digit ones I made everyone amazed What you said about the cheese board made a lot of sense. No great memory expert person ever DOES NOT have some kind of a trick or a system as far as I am aware. So, that makes sense I see what you mean about the longer numbers break down - Is that also meant to imply that twenty of the two digit ones would be the same thing as forty single digits? Frankly it would scare me to find out how many I could do by now... I'd be willing to find out but, still, it would be a scary experience. The ground I have lost probably isn't coming back, neural plasticity or not But I don't need ALL I had - I've seen people FAR DUMBER than I can EVER be who made it in business, and I've kept my woman handling ways, so I will be fine |
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Henry Molaison? I think is who it is from a cursory search I just did Have you seen the fucktard who was a real regular scum bag ass hat dumb fuck and then he got his head beaten in and BAM he became a musical genius and far less stupid? THAT was interesting |
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I can not BELIEVE what doctors have done to people throughout history
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Wow, I didn't know that there were more of them
It sounds like the guy he's quoting is completely wrong Who the fuck believes that explanation Oh and he even suddenly is a synesthete (sp) all of a sudden Nope no changes in THAT brain.. lol |
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I think you overestimate corperate drones... The average IQ is around 100. It roughly means that this world was designed by, and thus implicit designed for... the average. I think that's the most frustrating aspect of being gifted... living in a world of structural retardness...
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Internet tests are a bunch of junk if you ask me Being in the mid one sixties is supposed to be a BIG deal but even with your numbers - big deal, one in one hundred imbeciles still meet that |
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Even then, these supposed "abilities" only come with many hours of focused practice. For example, an autistic savant might be a phenomenal piano player or have some other mind blowing skill... but that is also ONLY because they tend to practice more and more effectively at that thing.... meaning that they focus on (to the exclusion of everything around them) a task and repeat it over and over and over and over and over... There is no known case where someone magically circumvented the necessary time practicing that skill to acquire it (at least to a world class level of skill). Synesthesia is fascinating. Synesthesia is generally "cross chatter" between neuronal pathways which never successfully paired down as the brain developed - with one pathway processing colors for example and one processing letters, the cross chatter causes letters to have distinct colors. I have never read about anyone spontaneously developing any form of synesthesia... and it comes in a lot of forms. It seems highly unlikely for a fully developed adult brain to suddenly have some form of synesthesia - if it was possible, it would likely only be for a couple weeks until the brain again compensates for the damaged pathway and re-corrects itself. Also, an interesting thing about synesthesia is that it's incredibly common. I think it's something like 1% of the population has some form of it... but it's not something that anyone ever talks about or admits to. |
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Synesthesia is very different from one person to another from what I've read It is common but I think it varies person to person greatly You've accurately described what causes it or what is thought to cause it so you definitely seem to be speaking from a position of knowing and not just talking from your butt You should see this one dumb fuck ass hole who was a complete GARBAGE PERSON - after he was bashed in the brain he because all articulate and talented and was no longer a criminal. I don't know that I can refute anything you've said but I don't know that ALL cases are as described |
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We should not hold our breath It's probably a woman who never posts I bet that she had a beautiful face, the voice of an angel, knowledge as well as a full understanding of nearly any subject one can possibly think of, and an amazing ass (not to mention ridiculous nipples) Another thing I'd say if I had to venture a guess is that when a woman like her walks into anywhere then anyone and everyone will probably stop everything right then to stand there staring . . awed by her beauty and captivated in her every little move Women are so bad They need so many kisses and spankings and all of this Amongst other things They are BAD |
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