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Old 07-17-2017, 12:53 PM   #1
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Trump wants international climate funding to go towards coal

https://thinkprogress.org/coal-trump...e-668ded63514b

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Donald Trump wants to redirect funding for countries affected by climate change towards the construction of coal plants.

Using its seat on the U.N. Green Climate Fund (or GCF) board, the United States will work to advance U.S. energy interests globally, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity with Bloomberg. In step with the Trump administration’s broader efforts to revive the coal industry, the official said the United States will encourage countries receiving GCF funds to construct “clean” coal plants. Lobbying for spending money on natural gas infrastructure globally will also be a priority.
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Isn't coal powering your beloved EVs?
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We shouldn't be handing our tax dollars out to other countries to help them NOT buy coal from us.

About the stupidest thing you could do from an economic standpoint

This is the kind of thing that Trump campaigned on and is another campaign promise he is delivering.

These kinds of agreements have cost families their livelihoods here in the US and are part of the reason so many people in our country have ended up on food stamps.

I hope Trump continues to tear apart all these global agreements that benefit other country's while fucking our own country over.
And the saddest and stupidest part of it all is that we have actually been the idiots funding our own economic downfall!
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This is the kind of thing that Trump campaigned on and is another campaign promise he is delivering.
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And the saddest and stupidest part of it all is that we have actually been the idiots funding our own economic downfall!
Globalists wants that - build up poor countries, slow down top countries. One country world as a final stage hundreds or more years from now.
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There is no such thing as "clean coal", the best you can get is "less filthy". Typical coal plants use like 200 rail cars of coal per day. Of those 200 railcars, 150 or so goes up the smokestack to the atmosphere each day, the other 50 is the ash that has to be dumped somewhere.
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His is an old-fashioned guy ... what's wrong with retro now??
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His is an old-fashioned guy ... what's wrong with retro now??
not progressive enough for "progressives"
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We should be spending that money developing clean, renewable energy. It would create jobs, be good for the environment, and help make us energy independent.
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Love his made in america themed week, but his family's shit is made overseas
So what is wrong with him changing the economic environment in the USA so that companies can once again make stuff in the United States?

Seems like it's a good thing that he wants to get govt. regulation and taxes and trade deals to have a beneficial impact on US business and jobs.

You act as if it would be a "bad" thing for Trump to be able to bring the making of his clothing back to the US.

At least he is doing something about it.
That's more than you can say for all the crooked politicians over the last several decades who oversaw the mass exodus of production and jobs.
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We should be spending that money developing clean, renewable energy. It would create jobs, be good for the environment, and help make us energy independent.
Isn't that what all the programs and regulations and govt. handouts that Pres. Obama signed was supposed to do?

Didn't work out too well.
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Isn't that what all the programs and regulations and govt. handouts that Pres. Obama signed was supposed to do?

Didn't work out too well.
There are a lot of issues with some of the global warming programs/regulations, but in the end, the United Stated increased clean energy production by about 55% during Obama's administration.

No matter what may or may not have happened under Obama, Elon Musk has put forth an idea stating that we could use a 100 mile X 100 mile area of Nevada or Utah for solar panels and that area could provide enough energy to power the entire country. IMO looking into this and seeing if this would work and how we would go about implementing it should be a priority.
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Isn't that what all the programs and regulations and govt. handouts that Pres. Obama signed was supposed to do?

Didn't work out too well.
At this point in time no one knows how well the Donald's, mostly talk/plans, will work out.
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We shouldn't be handing our tax dollars out to other countries to help them NOT buy coal from us.

About the stupidest thing you could do from an economic standpoint

This is the kind of thing that Drumpf campaigned on and is another campaign promise he is delivering.

These kinds of agreements have cost families their livelihoods here in the US and are part of the reason so many people in our country have ended up on food stamps.

I hope Trump continues to tear apart all these global agreements that benefit other country's while fucking our own country over.
And the saddest and stupidest part of it all is that we have actually been the idiots funding our own economic downfall!
Sure Robbie. You go first - Let me know when you convert your house over to coal.
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There are a lot of issues with some of the global warming programs/regulations, but in the end, the United Stated increased clean energy production by about 55% during Obama's administration.
It would have increased under anybody. Much have changed in technology since Bush times, solar etc became more effective, lower priced and so on. Same with other clean technologies.
It will increase under Donald as well.
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There are a lot of issues with some of the global warming programs/regulations, but in the end, the United Stated increased clean energy production by about 55% during Obama's administration.

No matter what may or may not have happened under Obama, Elon Musk has put forth an idea stating that we could use a 100 mile X 100 mile area of Nevada or Utah for solar panels and that area could provide enough energy to power the entire country. IMO looking into this and seeing if this would work and how we would go about implementing it should be a priority.
yes but the petrol and coal lobbies will never allow this they can just buy more democracy...
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yes but the petrol and coal lobbies will never allow this they can just buy more democracy...
The same was said ab out electric cars - oil lobbies will not allow it...
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I'm in complete agreement on solar panels in the desert. And no...Musk isn't the first to talk about that.
That concept of 100 miles of solar panels out here in the desert has been around for a long time.

Matter of fact, back when Bush and Obama did their dueling "bail outs"... I brought that up on GFY, as I had read an article on it a couple of years before.

I think solar is great. But Pres. Obama punished the traditional energy providers in order to artificially raise the price of fossil fuels so that his buddies in Green Energy could make fortunes (and be handed billions of dollars of taxpayer money).

That kind of shit is heartless and un-American.
Families were already struggling to make ends meet...and the brilliant idea of Obama was to raise the price of fuel.
That drives up the price of everything.

So hard working people now had to spend more money to go to work, to buy groceries and clothing, to heat and cool their homes...all so Obama's Green Energy cronies could get filthy rich.

And then he slapped extra costs on people by forcing them to buy fucking health insurance on top of higher costs for fuel.

It's only a surprise to snowflakes that Trump easily won and that Democrats are out of power nationwide.

I've said it before...the Democrat Party needs to drop all this special interest, extreme left, communist bullshit and get back to being the champion of the working man and woman.
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The same was said ab out electric cars - oil lobbies will not allow it...
No they didn't Mr.feels...
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All of a sudden coal is the pet cause for the Conglomerate of Mouthbreathers and Mongoloids. It used to be religious nuts' right to discriminate against gay people, and before that it was saving the lives of precious cell blobs inside a woman's uterus they could care less about after it's born.

they just keep doing thing after thing that will earn them a special place in the history books where future people will read it and go "those fucking idiots pretty much stood for all the shitty things during that time period. They might be the most shortsighted, donkey dick sucking motherfuckers in history and it's a miracle I'm here to read this history book inside my protective dome that keeps the air from melting my skin."
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USA sits on the biggest coal reserves in the world so its sort of dumb not to use them.

The major problem is Trump has been rolling back regulations to the point they don't even need to report on emissions now.

And that's where it gets scary

Coal is most certainly not the future, but for today.. its the best we have.

Tis a hard pill to swallow.
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And liberals on electric-cars which to charge from coal power plants.
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only 22% of the total power comes from coal...
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USA sits on the biggest coal reserves in the world so its sort of dumb not to use them.

The major problem is Trump has been rolling back regulations to the point they don't even need to report on emissions now.

And that's where it gets scary

Coal is most certainly not the future, but for today.. its the best we have.

Tis a hard pill to swallow.
did you ever look if there is also brain to find in USA ?

it has a simple reason WHY this coal is under the ground because if it would NOT be this planet would never have seen life.
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And liberals on electric-cars which to charge from coal power plants.
that´s why we want to get rid of this power plants also.

still not done yet but many european countries are on a good way already.
in 10 years you will not find ONE coal plant in europe any more.
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We shouldn't be handing our tax dollars out to other countries to help them NOT buy coal from us.

About the stupidest thing you could do from an economic standpoint

This is the kind of thing that Trump campaigned on and is another campaign promise he is delivering.

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I hope Trump continues to tear apart all these global agreements that benefit other country's while fucking our own country over.
And the saddest and stupidest part of it all is that we have actually been the idiots funding our own economic downfall!
You're really not very clever are you.
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that´s why we want to get rid of this power plants also.

still not done yet but many european countries are on a good way already.
in 10 years you will not find ONE coal plant in europe any more.
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In Berlin the official line is that Nord Stream 2 is just a straightforward commercial venture in which neither the EU or the US should interfere. The $10bn project not only cements the sensitive relationship between Germany and Russia but also establishes Germany as an entrepot in the European gas market, replacing the declining gas production from the Dutch and British sectors of the North Sea.
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The U.S. Sanctions Russia, Europe Says 'Ouch!'
European leaders suspect the senators were pursuing U.S. economic interests at Europe's expense.

"The United States government," the Senate bill says, "should prioritize the export of United States energy resources in order to create American jobs, help United States allies and partners, and strengthen United States foreign policy."
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Love his made in america themed week, but his family's shit is made overseas
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Even his votes were made in Russia !
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Other 20% it Putin's uranium power plants

Naive, you're will buying USA overpriced gas and coal soon

Nord Stream 2: a test of German power
In Berlin the official line is that Nord Stream 2 is just a straightforward commercial venture in which neither the EU or the US should interfere. The $10bn project not only cements the sensitive relationship between Germany and Russia but also establishes Germany as an entrepot in the European gas market, replacing the declining gas production from the Dutch and British sectors of the North Sea.
https://www.ft.com/content/4875c9ff-...6-4efa667eb5ba

The U.S. Sanctions Russia, Europe Says 'Ouch!'
European leaders suspect the senators were pursuing U.S. economic interests at Europe's expense.

"The United States government," the Senate bill says, "should prioritize the export of United States energy resources in order to create American jobs, help United States allies and partners, and strengthen United States foreign policy."
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...ish-europe-too
your informations are wrong.

germany is actually only importing 21,5% of his complete energy (we had a time with over 50%)

the rest is produced in the country.
still 2/3 with conventional power plants but 1/3 already with green energy.

in 2022 the green energy will be 50% and 2040 we are at 90%.

green energy becomes every day cheaper while the coal need every day more subventions. in fact coal could not even survive without getting money from the tax payer - not in europe and not in USA. it is already useless and more expensive than every other solution.
in not more than 10-15 years the renewable energy will be the cheapest around and underground oil will not be profitable anymore.

all other oil we need (i.e. for lubricants) can be produced from LIVING plants and those plants will consume the CO2 while growing.
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there is no "clean coal" - just like there is no VW "clean diesel" - just idiots that believe marketing deceits

putting money now into a dying coal industry just to please voters instead of being a technology leader in renewable energies and create new jobs there is the dumbest thing ever

you'll see the result in a couple of years
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there is no "clean coal" - just like there is no VW "clean diesel" - just idiots that believe marketing deceits

putting money now into a dying coal industry just to please voters instead of being a technology leader in renewable energies and create new jobs there is the dumbest thing ever

you'll see the result in a couple of years
while trump tries to safe 50.000 unnecessary jobs in US what can only exist when the taxpayer is paying subvention china created 3,4 million new jobs around the renewable energy.

maybe the next time chinese should manipulate the US election - possibly they are better as the russians.
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your informations are wrong.
germany is actually only importing 21,5% of his complete energy (we had a time with over 50%)
the rest is produced in the country.
still 2/3 with conventional power plants but 1/3 already with green energy.
in 2022 the green energy will be 50% and 2040 we are at 90%.
green energy becomes every day cheaper while the coal need every day more subventions. in fact coal could not even survive without getting money from the tax payer - not in europe and not in USA. it is already useless and more expensive than every other solution.
in not more than 10-15 years the renewable energy will be the cheapest around and underground oil will not be profitable anymore.
all other oil we need (i.e. for lubricants) can be produced from LIVING plants and those plants will consume the CO2 while growing.
Germany to withdraw not ecological production from the country. But coal can sell not directly, in Ukraine, Poland as example, on EU/IMF credits and donations. Lubricant from plants/animals it is good(salo as in Ukraine). But oil has much more place in our life.


Oil it is a resource which can be ended, that's why green energy it is good.
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So what is wrong with him changing the economic environment in the USA so that companies can once again make stuff in the United States?
There's nothing wrong at all with the idea of course, and lets face it, the United States really needs this.

What he has to do here though is watch the cost. No matter what, the cost of increasing manufacturing and production of things cannot include jeopardizing your health (and mine) by damaging the environment.

Or course, building a new factory somewhere could destroy trees for example, but this too must be seen as an actual cost, and that company should pay that cost by planting new trees somewhere, or paying to have new trees planted.

This cost applies to its carbon footprint too. If a manufacturer in the US adds CO2 to the air, this is a cost that must also be paid.

Everyone wants to see more jobs of course. What Trump seems to be doing though, is pushing for jobs in the wrong sector at least when it comes to energy. Coal as a source of energy is dying out because its just too expensive compared to natural gas and other sources. Trump, for all his bragging about his money-brains, should realize this.

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You're really not very clever are you.
Ah...insults...last resort in an argument.

I'll keep it in the arena of ideas instead.

What I am trying to point out is: "International Funding" usually means the United States paying the big majority of that "funding".
In other words taking money from OUR taxpayers and handing it to other country's.

And in this case...it is country's that are potential CUSTOMERS of U.S. energy resources.

So, from a business perspective...the United States would be paying other country's to NOT be our customers.
That is a LOSE/LOSE proposition for the U.S.

And it's just one of many in a long line of stupid decisions made by bureaucrats.

I voted for Trump for the economy. This is part of what working people are sick and fucking tired of.

Killing our own economy...just really, really dumb.

As far as the "Green Energy" vs. fossil fuels debate...I'm not arguing that.

I want solar energy because it SHOULD be free. And the only reason that we DON'T have solar in more abundance is because it IS free.
But now that big companies and the power utilities have figured out a way to make sure that they can keep their recurring billing model by keeping solar panels way over-priced and "renting" the panels with payment plans spread out over 20 years...we are finally starting to see solar energy being used.

I am certain that the technology is only going to get better and better and better. And that electric cars are the future.

Having said all of that, it's still a stupid decision to hurt our own economy and not take advantage of new technology that has enabled us to discover vast reserves of fossil fuel resources that we didn't even know existed 20 years ago.
Also technology that DOES make burning fossil fuels "cleaner" than ever before.

Car emissions are the lowest they've ever been. And every year, more smart people are creating new ways to get faster cars that run more cleanly than the year before.

That will continue. And solar technological advancements will continue as well.

There is no need to have the Federal Govt. put us in global agreements that deliberately hurt our economy in the meantime.
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There's nothing wrong at all with the idea of course, and lets face it, the United States really needs this.

What he has to do here though is watch the cost. No matter what, the cost of increasing manufacturing and production of things cannot include jeopardizing your health (and mine) by damaging the environment.

Or course, building a new factory somewhere could destroy trees for example, but this too must be seen as an actual cost, and that company should pay that cost by planting new trees somewhere, or paying to have new trees planted.

This cost applies to its carbon footprint too. If a manufacturer in the US adds CO2 to the air, this is a cost that must also be paid.

Everyone wants to see more jobs of course. What Trump seems to be doing though, is pushing for jobs in the wrong sector at least when it comes to energy. Coal as a source of energy is dying out because its just too expensive compared to natural gas and other sources. Trump, for all his bragging about his money-brains, should realize this.

Cheers!
I agree.
We also need to keep in mind that once we stop manufacturing stuff here and instead manufacture it in another country because it's less expensive...that "other country" probably has NO regulations at all.

So the "carbon footprint" is giant in the "other country". And since we all live on the same planet...it doesn't "help" us to have those jobs in that "other country".

I believe there is a "Sweet Spot" (just like there is with anything). Enough regulations to ensure safety and environmental protection WITHOUT hurting business.

I think that big govt. (like it always does)...went past the "sweet spot" a couple of decades back. And the EPA makes "law" (unconstitutionally) by it's regulations.
So we end up with our companies and businesses being ruled over by an unelected group of bureaucrats in the EPA.

I hope Trump reigns that shit in. And like you, I hope he doesn't go TOO far the other way.
But that's the beauty of the vision of the Founding Fathers. We have 3 equal branches of govt. AND we have elections.

If Trump fails at his job...let's kick his ass out in 4 years. If Congress continues to fail...kick their ass out in 2018.
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