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Old 07-14-2017, 11:11 AM   #1
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Now the truth is coming out about this secret Russian meeting

Very strange... It seems Trumpf Jr (and his attorney) left out some very important information about this "secret Russian meeting" Trump Jr, Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort had... You know, the "secret meeting" that no one told President Trump about, which is the same "secret meeting" Jared Kushner failed mention when he applied for his security clearance?

Turns out there was..... Another person present at the meeting. Rinat Akhmetshin, an Russian American lobbyist, veteran of the Soviet military, and - wait for it - former intelligence agent for the Russian government.

What else are they not telling us?

Now have a former Russian intelligence agent having a secret meeting with Trump Jr, Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort.... You have got to be fucking kidding me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/u...-manafort.html
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...ussian-lawyer/

Also, it seems Trump Jr and Jared Kushner have been aware that this meeting might be an issue for them and have been discussing it with their attorneys for the past month. Trump has said he didn't know about this secret meeting until just recently. I am sure that is true because there is no reason Trump Jr and Jared Kushner would tell President Trump about a secret meeting that might get all of them arrested.
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They showed a timeline of the email drops, and when Trump first started mentioning possible dirt on Clinton at his rallies, and it all started a couple days after this meeting.

Back in March sen. Grassley sent a letter to regarding Rinat Akhmetshin to register as a foreign agent under the FARA. the Justice Department’s Foreign Agents Registration Act unit sent him a letter in April and told him, “it has come to our attention you should have filed for FARA.” He said he didn’t believe he needed to file as a foreign agent. He has previously registered with Congress for the lobbying work, and he plans to raise this issue before Grassley’s committee.

So behind the scenes this has been known, and brewing, since March. There's a shit load more we don't know and there's a reason Mueller has 25 top level specialty attorneys hired in his staff now ready to prosecute.

This has to slowly be fed to the public so it can be digested. Too slow and people lose interest too fast and people can't process it all.
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Now have a former Russian intelligence agent having a secret meeting with Trump Jr, Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort.... You have got to be fucking kidding me.
they talked about child adoption !!!

you always need an intelligence agent when you talk about child adoption - that´s normal.

but USA and russia are friends - so don´t worry. trump is forming an inpenetrable cyber security with putin and all is fine.
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that might get all of them arrested.
Even if the meeting happened, it's legal.

And who cares anyway?

The most they are going to get is some dirt on Hillary. But it doesn't matter. In hindsight, Hillary was never going to win.
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That meeting is getting bigger ( Yuge ! ) everyday ....

If I go by redhast logic ( ^^^^^^ ), I can try to kill someone but it will be a nothing burger if I fail to kill that someone ....
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That meeting is getting bigger ( Yuge ! ) everyday ....

If I go by redhast logic ( ^^^^^^ ), I can try to kill someone but it will be a nothing burger if I fail to kill that someone ....
Yes redhats believe that if you try to rob a bank, and fail, it's a nothingburger ....
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New reporting says there were 8 people in the meeting.
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But the meeting was "no big deal"
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Very strange... It seems Trumpf Jr (and his attorney) left out some very important information about this "secret Russian meeting" Trump Jr, Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort had... You know, the "secret meeting" that no one told President Trump about, which is the same "secret meeting" Jared Kushner failed mention when he applied for his security clearance?

Turns out there was..... Another person present at the meeting. Rinat Akhmetshin, an Russian American lobbyist, veteran of the Soviet military, and - wait for it - former intelligence agent for the Russian government.

What else are they not telling us?

Now have a former Russian intelligence agent having a secret meeting with Trump Jr, Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort.... You have got to be fucking kidding me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/u...-manafort.html
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...ussian-lawyer/

Also, it seems Trump Jr and Jared Kushner have been aware that this meeting might be an issue for them and have been discussing it with their attorneys for the past month. Trump has said he didn't know about this secret meeting until just recently. I am sure that is true because there is no reason Trump Jr and Jared Kushner would tell President Trump about a secret meeting that might get all of them arrested.
not much of a secret if you know about it, is it?
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Even if the meeting happened, it's legal.

And who cares anyway?

The most they are going to get is some dirt on Hillary. But it doesn't matter. In hindsight, Hillary was never going to win.
Having a meeting is perfectly legal. A political campaign meeting with Russian intelligence to get information on an American candidate breaks a lot of laws....
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New reporting says there were 8 people in the meeting.
I also just read an article claiming there was a lot of "documents" left behind from this meeting. The article was hinting it was advance copies of some of the emails that were released by this "Russian hacker" eight days later....
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Don't forget the whole outcry over the unmasking drama Trump was trying to play on..

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...iates-in-intel

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/t...17-6?r=US&IR=T

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/u...l?mcubz=1&_r=0

My crystal balls says FBI not only know exactly who was there, but the whole thing was recorded as well.
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Rochard claims it was a secret meeting and Kushner failed to disclose it.

That's false buddy, he did disclose it previously. Nothing about it was illegal. Why would it be illegal to talk to a lawyer who claims to have damaging info on a political opponent? It's called doing opposition research.

Hillary's team met with officials from the Ukraine government and the Mexican government, seeking damaging info on Trump. Lock her up!!

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Even if the meeting happened, it's legal.

And who cares anyway?

The most they are going to get is some dirt on Hillary. But it doesn't matter. In hindsight, Hillary was never going to win.
No it wasn't fucking legal. The reason the meeting was set up was because they were promised dirt direct from Moscow. It was illegal going into it.

Also there is no "if the meeting took place". It DID they have admitted it. Accept the facts...
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Rochard claims it was a secret meeting and Kushner failed to disclose it.

That's false buddy, he did disclose it previously. Nothing about it was illegal. Why would it be illegal to talk to a lawyer who claims to have damaging info on a political opponent? It's called doing opposition research.

Hillary's team met with officials from the Ukraine government and the Mexican government, seeking damaging info on Trump. Lock her up!!


You're late for work.


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Rochard claims it was a secret meeting and Kushner failed to disclose it.

That's false buddy, he did disclose it previously. Nothing about it was illegal. Why would it be illegal to talk to a lawyer who claims to have damaging info on a political opponent? It's called doing opposition research.

Hillary's team met with officials from the Ukraine government and the Mexican government, seeking damaging info on Trump. Lock her up!!

Turn Fox News off ( Fox & Friends ) ...

Opposition research ...
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No it wasn't fucking legal. The reason the meeting was set up was because they were promised dirt direct from Moscow. It was illegal going into it.

Also there is no "if the meeting took place". It DID they have admitted it. Accept the facts...
Your stance is becoming stupid.

If someone has something to tell of a person who wants to be President of the US. He must not go to that meeting if he's the person vying for the office?

Start to dig into what was said, so we can get to the core of the discussion.
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No it wasn't fucking legal. The reason the meeting was set up was because they were promised dirt direct from Moscow. It was illegal going into it.

Also there is no "if the meeting took place". It DID they have admitted it. Accept the facts...
Here not have facts. where this "dirt"?
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Rochard claims it was a secret meeting and Kushner failed to disclose it.

That's false buddy, he did disclose it previously. Nothing about it was illegal. Why would it be illegal to talk to a lawyer who claims to have damaging info on a political opponent? It's called doing opposition research.

Hillary's team met with officials from the Ukraine government and the Mexican government, seeking damaging info on Trump. Lock her up!!

have there been trumps private emails going public MIXED with falsificated documents in the last days of the election or was it hillariers.

it is not the fact that he meet them the fact is that something happend after that meeting what IS A CRIME if it is proven 100% with all facts.

i do also not know how you can compare ukraine and mexico with russia.

in fact i do not know what you guys referring to. your assfucker tells you one day one story and the next week the exactly opposite an BOTH is true for you.
how can that be?
how can you believe one week in one thing and the next week when your mafia boss have changed his mind in the other?

WHY CAN YOU GUYS NOT THINK ALONE ?????

This is your fucking problem. You have NOTHING to refer to - NOTHING !!!!
trump is like the bible where you can find a pro and contra argument for everything.

if i would be trumps campaign manger the slogan for him would be:

MADE FROM DUMBS FOR DUMBS !
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it is not the fact that he meet them the fact is that something happend after that meeting what IS A CRIME if it is proven 100% with all facts.

i do also not know how you can compare ukraine and mexico with russia.

your assfucker tells you one day one story and the next week the exactly opposite an BOTH is true for you.
how can that be?
how can you believe one week in one thing and the next week when your mafia boss have changed his mind in the other?

WHY CAN YOU GUYS NOT THINK ALONE ?????

This is your fucking problem. You have NOTHING to refer to - NOTHING !!!!

if i would be trumps campaign manger the slogan for him would be:

MADE FROM DUMBS FOR DUMBS !
^^ Another Epic Meltdown from some guy in Europe who knows nothing about American politics!!

Thommy, I go by FACTS. There's no evidence of any crime. Talking to lawyer is not a crime. The lawyer is a democrat operative so it was all a setup. Get some facts.


Well Lookie Here=> Russian Lawyer Veselnitskaya is Pictured with Obama Ambassador to Russia – 8 Days After Trump Jr. Mtg.


There is a Russian Scandal. But It's Hillary's Scandal.


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^^ Another Epic Meltdown from some guy in Europe who knows nothing about American politics!!

Thommy, I go by FACTS. There's no evidence of any crime. Talking to lawyer is not a crime. The lawyer is a democrat operative so it was all a setup. Get some facts.


Well Lookie Here=> Russian Lawyer Veselnitskaya is Pictured with Obama Ambassador to Russia – 8 Days After Trump Jr. Mtg.


There is a Russian Scandal. But It's Hillary's Scandal.
"I go by facts"

Trump Jr. lied about the meeting multiple times

Trump Jr. lied about who was in the meeting multiple times

Trump Jr. went into that meeting with the intent to receive illegally obtained espionage intel from an advesary hostile nation to help his morbidly obese 71 year old con man father steal an election.

Trump Jr. labeled the email chain "Russia - Clinton - private and confidential"

Trump Jr. witheld the fact that documents were left behind.

Trump Jr. lied and said the meeting wasn't a big deal.

This is just beginning the worm has turned



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"I go by facts"

Trump Jr. lied about the meeting multiple times
lie it is not a crime.
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lie it is not a crime.
No but taking/seeking something of value from a foreign national to further your campaign is.
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No but taking/seeking something of value from a foreign national to further your campaign is.
This
"something happend"
"something of value"
of course, it is interesting but exists now only in our imagination.
Let they to show it for us, not only use it for speculation. Because people with reach imagination going crazy ))
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So Trump was correct about one thing, the election was definately rigged.
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So Trump was correct about one thing, the election was definately rigged.
It is called, results of the election was not accepted by Democrats.
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"I go by facts"

Trump Jr. lied about the meeting multiple times

Trump Jr. lied about who was in the meeting multiple times

Trump Jr. went into that meeting with the intent to receive illegally obtained espionage intel from an advesary hostile nation to help his morbidly obese 71 year old con man father steal an election.

Trump Jr. labeled the email chain "Russia - Clinton - private and confidential"

Trump Jr. witheld the fact that documents were left behind.

Trump Jr. lied and said the meeting wasn't a big deal.

This is just beginning the worm has turned



Trump jr is allowed to speak to anyone he likes on the honesty of an opponent in a contest for the WH. To suggest he's not allowed to do this is stupid.
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[SIZE="3"]Thommy, I go by FACTS. There's no evidence of any crime. Talking to lawyer is not a crime. The lawyer is a democrat operative so it was all a setup. Get some facts.
nope - none of you guys have OWN facts.
you just read your right radical sources where SOMEONE ELSE tells you what you have to think.

i can not take anyone serious who can still not see that there is the biggest liar in the US history in the oval office.

i think you do not even need a book of laws or a judge - it is just normal human moral what should show you what kind of disaster this clown is.

maybe you lied so much when you was a kid and got kicked your ass so hard that you feel now you must help other liars.
i really don´t know what is wrong with you but it sounds NOT HEALTHY AT ALL.
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Trump jr is allowed to speak to anyone he likes on the honesty of an opponent in a contest for the WH. To suggest he's not allowed to do this is stupid.
has nixon installed the spy tools in the watergate tower himself?
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Trump jr is allowed to speak to anyone he likes on the honesty of an opponent in a contest for the WH. To suggest he's not allowed to do this is stupid.

To suggest someone can work with a foreign govt to have them hack into your opponents emails and use them for political gain makes you stupid.


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Trump jr is allowed to speak to anyone he likes on the honesty of an opponent in a contest for the WH. To suggest he's not allowed to do this is stupid.
paul did you read articles from charles krauthammer (fox news btw)

he is a trump supporter and when you read all his columns on fox news praising trump HOW can you explain me THIS HERE

how obvious is it that a trump supporter and currently active columnist of fox news have to write this article in the washington post and not in the "reliable" fox new website ?
maybe your "reliable sources" do not want the bad truth?

do you not see that there are not only gfy members worry about the future of america?
do you not see that even his SUPPORTERS can not deny the collusion any more ???
this krautheimer has been with skin and hair in the US politics for decades and surely knows MUCH more than we all together about the connections in the political happen.
has he now gone crazy from one second to the next, or what?

are that all just idots as soon as they don´t swim in the same direction with the brainwashed.

are you guys all blind or just so nailed on your wrong meaning that you can´t let it go ?
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Trump jr is allowed to speak to anyone he likes on the honesty of an opponent in a contest for the WH. To suggest he's not allowed to do this is stupid.
In fact, no, he is not. If they met with a foreign national and they gave them anything of value it is considered an illegal campaign contribution.... Of course this is only the tip of the iceberg. What was in the documents left behind? Was it copies of hacked emails?
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To suggest someone can work with a foreign govt to have them hack into your opponents emails and use them for political gain makes you stupid.


90% of redhats on GFY are unverified foreigners who refuse to divulge their country of residence on their profiles, they love Putin & Trump but hate American culture, they have no problem with Trump lying and using stolen espionage data to swing an American election, says a lot
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The funny thing is FOX NEWS is spewing the talking point that collusion is not a crime and now it's being repeated over and over. BULLSHIT.


Even though the statute may not use the word collusion it is certainly a crime:

52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for—

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or


(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

(b) “Foreign national” definedAs used in this section, the term “foreign national” means—

(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term “foreign national” shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or

(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30121
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Trump jr is allowed to speak to anyone he likes on the honesty of an opponent in a contest for the WH. To suggest he's not allowed to do this is stupid.
He is allowed to speak to whomever he pleases, however, it is illegal for foreign nationals to give anything of value to a campaign. That could be money or it could be information. If Trump knew she was a foreign national (which he did because it said she was Russian in the email) and he went there to get information from her (which he did because the email said she had dirt on Clinton) then one could assume that this information was of value to him and therefore he likely broke the law.

Of course, we don't know if he actually got anything from her. He says she didn't have anything of value, but so far he has lied multiple times about this whole thing so I don't think we can just take his word for it.

Even if she didn't give him anything of value, there is a good chance he is still guilty of conspiracy. If anything will eventually come of this (in the form of actual legal trouble for Don Jr.) remains to be seen.
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The funny thing is FOX NEWS is spewing the talking point that collusion is not a crime and now it's being repeated over and over. BULLSHIT.


Even though the statute may not use the word collusion it is certainly a crime:

52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for—

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or


(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

(b) “Foreign national” definedAs used in this section, the term “foreign national” means—

(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term “foreign national” shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or

(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30121
here is the watergate definition and remember that watergate had nothing to do with FOREIGN inteaction. trump´s case is WORSE:

i hope google translated it correctly - if not you may blame google for it :-)

There is no binding definition as to which "abuses of government powers", which ultimately led President Richard Nixon as the head of the executive branch, fall under the heading "Watergate affair" next to the core complex of the failed Watergate infiltration of 17 June 1972 And which do not. However, the first delimitation was made in the areas discussed by Senator Sam Ervin from the Senate's Senate Senate (Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities) from May 1973 onwards. The results of these investigations were summarized in June 1974 in a 1250-page final report. According to the Ervin Committee, the following ten areas are part of the Watergate affair:

The abuse of government agencies by the White House or on its behalf
The actual Watergate slump
The cover-up of the backdrops of the Watergate Burglary
The electoral campaigns of the Committee for the Reelection of the President
The obstruction of justice in the Watergate investigations
The financial and electoral practices of Nixon's re-election committee
The "milk fund" of illegal parties, with whom a conglomerate of American milk producers sought to influence Washington's policy
An illegal party of $ 100,000, which Nixon's personal friend Charles "Bebe" Rebozo had received from the billionaire Howard Hughes
(For example, the "sale" of ambassadors in exchange for election campaign donations) and tax evasion by President Nixon
The "ITT affair", which was about the alleged advantage granted to the industry giant in connection with a cartel procedure in exchange for an indirect election campaign.


Beyond these complexes, journalists and historians have also identified numerous other events from Nixon's time as aspects of the Watergate affair. In some cases, these were merely disrepute, but some were subsequently classified as illegal by courts. These investigations were investigated by the investigators of the "Watergate Special Prosecution Force" (WSPF). The American public almost invariably learned of them in connection with the great wave of Watergate revelations from March 1973 onwards:

Which had already taken place shortly after Nixon's office, to hire a private private investigator through the White House; This should collect incriminating information about political opponents of the Republicans and then put them on the media; One example was research on Edward Kennedy after his car accident in Chappaquiddick;

The so-called "Kissinger-Bugs", an illegal abortion carried out by Nixon's security adviser Henry Kissinger from April 1969 against members of the National Security Council and against various prominent journalists; This happened to find out who was letting Kissinger's staff read information to the media;

The "Huston Plan" of 1970, which was ultimately not implemented, to network the activities of CIA, FBI and other espionage and law enforcement agencies under direct control of the White House; According to him, the executive should be given extensive powers in the fight against the leftist radical enemies and militant opponents of the Vietnam War;

Under the aegis of Nixon's adviser Charles Colson, created a "list of enemies" (Nixon's enemies list); It was constantly expanded and contained names of persons who were said to be hostile to the President, his government, or the Republican Party; These persons should, for example, have to rely more heavily on examinations by the Federal Tax Administration (IRS) or be excluded from the award of lucrative public contracts from the outset;

The partly illegal activities of the "White House" "plumber" unit, founded in the summer of 1971; On the one hand, it should plug "leaks" from the government apparatus to the media and, on the other hand, gather negative information about opponents of the White House and disseminate it to the public in a targeted (but hidden) manner; Two members of the "plumber" unit, Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt, were also directly responsible for the planning, organization and implementation of the Watergate burglary.
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At a certain point the Republican party will just completely walk away from Trump, and they will wash their hands of him. '

This really can't get any worse. The press is just having a field day with all of this, and will continue taking shots at Trump until he is out of office. In the mean time, nothing will get done. They are still dicking with healthcare, have passed no major laws, no major changes, and we are coming up on the budgeting shortly.... This will be a disaster.
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here is the watergate definition and remember that watergate had nothing to do with FOREIGN inteaction. trump´s case is WORSE:

i hope google translated it correctly - if not you may blame google for it :-)

There is no binding definition as to which "abuses of government powers", which ultimately led President Richard Nixon as the head of the executive branch, fall under the heading "Watergate affair" next to the core complex of the failed Watergate infiltration of 17 June 1972 And which do not. However, the first delimitation was made in the areas discussed by Senator Sam Ervin from the Senate's Senate Senate (Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities) from May 1973 onwards. The results of these investigations were summarized in June 1974 in a 1250-page final report. According to the Ervin Committee, the following ten areas are part of the Watergate affair:

The abuse of government agencies by the White House or on its behalf
The actual Watergate slump
The cover-up of the backdrops of the Watergate Burglary
The electoral campaigns of the Committee for the Reelection of the President
The obstruction of justice in the Watergate investigations
The financial and electoral practices of Nixon's re-election committee
The "milk fund" of illegal parties, with whom a conglomerate of American milk producers sought to influence Washington's policy
An illegal party of $ 100,000, which Nixon's personal friend Charles "Bebe" Rebozo had received from the billionaire Howard Hughes
(For example, the "sale" of ambassadors in exchange for election campaign donations) and tax evasion by President Nixon
The "ITT affair", which was about the alleged advantage granted to the industry giant in connection with a cartel procedure in exchange for an indirect election campaign.


Beyond these complexes, journalists and historians have also identified numerous other events from Nixon's time as aspects of the Watergate affair. In some cases, these were merely disrepute, but some were subsequently classified as illegal by courts. These investigations were investigated by the investigators of the "Watergate Special Prosecution Force" (WSPF). The American public almost invariably learned of them in connection with the great wave of Watergate revelations from March 1973 onwards:

Which had already taken place shortly after Nixon's office, to hire a private private investigator through the White House; This should collect incriminating information about political opponents of the Republicans and then put them on the media; One example was research on Edward Kennedy after his car accident in Chappaquiddick;

The so-called "Kissinger-Bugs", an illegal abortion carried out by Nixon's security adviser Henry Kissinger from April 1969 against members of the National Security Council and against various prominent journalists; This happened to find out who was letting Kissinger's staff read information to the media;

The "Huston Plan" of 1970, which was ultimately not implemented, to network the activities of CIA, FBI and other espionage and law enforcement agencies under direct control of the White House; According to him, the executive should be given extensive powers in the fight against the leftist radical enemies and militant opponents of the Vietnam War;

Under the aegis of Nixon's adviser Charles Colson, created a "list of enemies" (Nixon's enemies list); It was constantly expanded and contained names of persons who were said to be hostile to the President, his government, or the Republican Party; These persons should, for example, have to rely more heavily on examinations by the Federal Tax Administration (IRS) or be excluded from the award of lucrative public contracts from the outset;

The partly illegal activities of the "White House" "plumber" unit, founded in the summer of 1971; On the one hand, it should plug "leaks" from the government apparatus to the media and, on the other hand, gather negative information about opponents of the White House and disseminate it to the public in a targeted (but hidden) manner; Two members of the "plumber" unit, Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt, were also directly responsible for the planning, organization and implementation of the Watergate burglary.

I agree, this is much worse than Watergate. Instead of Trumps lackeys breaking into the DNC they conspired with a foreign enemy to do it.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.722b9a4addcc

We'll see about the legal consequences but if you don't see anything wrong with Juniors actions, your moral compass is off...

You can call it sign of the times but it's still wrong.
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Even if she didn't give him anything of value, there is a good chance he is still guilty of conspiracy. If anything will eventually come of this (in the form of actual legal trouble for Don Jr.) remains to be seen.
if they even can prove the intesion he had it is already a crime.
and it would be even a crime when he would get this informations from a US citizen (see the
legal definition of watergate what i have posted earlier). but in that case he wanted (or got) those information from a foreign power what is also NOT a US allie.

no matter if he got it or gave the green light to publish that shit (without any approval on correctness or falsification) in a very sensitiv phase of the elections makes the whole thing a crime because it has DEFINITELY influenced the votes in favor of trump.

just imagine what would have happend if the other site would come up 2 days before the elections and just tell the people that they have such material about trump.
he would not even get to 20% - even when nobody would have seen this material. and than i would like to hear the red hats complaints.
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So Trump was correct about one thing, the election was definately rigged.
True
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/u...s-clinton.html
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This is the most incompetent cover up ever.. It's now been released Trump Jr hired his defense lawyers 11 days before the story broke.

That means Trump and co knew what was going on ..as if anyone with a brain didn't already know..
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It fails story again.

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So Trump was correct about one thing, the election was definately rigged.
True.

Putin rigged the election for Trump, and now Trump is paying the price for being a stinky old morbidly obese lying scammer.
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True.

Putin rigged the election for Trump, and now Trump is paying the price for being a stinky old morbidly obese lying scammer.
Obama change regime in Ukraine, Putin change regime in the USA. And make Brexit and broke EU.
Russia ruled by the world



Heart attack here

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To suggest someone can work with a foreign govt to have them hack into your opponents emails and use them for political gain makes you stupid.
So the opposition keeps the info private. Does that seriously make sense to you, now think of it if it was Trump?
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