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They're not only taking your healthcare away they're giving minimum wage earners a 23% wage cut #ThanksTrump fucking over the little guy

"For low-wage earners in St. Louis itself, the new law will have a startling consequence: It will actually push the minimum wage back down, from the city-approved $10 per hour to the state-approved $7.70. The downgrade is slated to take effect on Aug. 28."

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Missouri Republicans Lower St. Louis Minimum Wage From $10 To $7.70

If you thought the minimum wage only moved in one direction, then Missouri Republicans have a surprise for you.

After St. Louis leaders raised the wage floor for workers within city limits, the state GOP recently passed what?s known as a statewide ?preemption? law, forbidding localities from taking such matters into their own hands. On Friday, Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens (R) said he would let the law go into effect, thereby barring cities and counties from setting a minimum wage higher than the state level.

For low-wage earners in St. Louis itself, the new law will have a startling consequence: It will actually push the minimum wage back down, from the city-approved $10 per hour to the state-approved $7.70. The downgrade is slated to take effect on Aug. 28.

For someone earning the bare minimum, that?s a potential cut of 23 percent.

It?s impossible to say how many St. Louis employers will take the GOP up on the offer to slash pay, given the effect such a move could have on competitiveness and morale. But if businesses agree with Republicans that the city wage hike is too aggressive, then at least some of them are likely to revert to the lower pay rates, particularly in low-wage industries like fast food.

Greitens wasn?t eager to own the state-sponsored pay cut, opting not to sign the bill. But he doesn?t have to sign it for it to become law. Under the Missouri Constitution, a bill passed by state legislators eventually goes into effect so long as the governor doesn?t veto it.

The governor said the St. Louis minimum wage would ?kill jobs.? ?And despite what you hear from liberals, it will take money out of people?s pockets,? he added, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

The Fight for $15 ― the union-backed campaign behind the St. Louis initiative and other wage-boosting efforts around the country ― called Greitens? passive approval of the law ?disgusting.?

If St. Louis? existing measure were to stay in effect, the city?s minimum wage would be $10 this year and would then climb to $11 in 2018. The statewide rate of $7.70 typically goes up just a few cents a year, since it?s tied to an inflation index.

St. Louis originally passed a minimum wage hike two years ago, prompting business groups to sue to stop it in court. The Missouri Supreme Court recently ruled that the St. Louis measure was lawful, but the new state preemption law renders it irrelevant.

The concept of preemption laws has been around for years, but they?ve become increasingly popular in GOP-controlled states as more cities and counties have tried to raise the minimum wage. Business groups have struggled to blunt local wage legislation and referendums, but they?ve had better luck convincing Republican state legislators to block them from the state capitol.

St. Louis is one of the more glaring case studies, since the wage floor will now sink lower due to a state law. But at least 17 states have preemption laws that stand in the way of local minimum wage legislation, according to a recent study by the National League of Cities.

In Alabama, GOP state legislators passed a preemption law taking aim at the city of Birmingham?s $10.10 minimum wage. The Alabama chapter of the NAACP ended up filing a civil rights lawsuit against the state, claiming that the majority-white legislature was disenfranchising Birmingham residents, who are 73 percent African-American.

The suit was originally dismissed but is now on appeal.

crockett

If your business model is so bad, that you can't afford to pay someone $10/hr then you shouldn't be in business. I don't care if it's Leroys lawn service, Mcdonalds or Walmart. If you can't afford to pay a full time worker $10/hr you are running a bad business model.

If people are stupid enough to work at those wages then I guess these business owners and employees deserve what they get..

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Rochard

That's part of the problem... Some people can afford to pay much more, but why pay more to your employees when you can get away paying less?

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How much do you pay your employees to help you in that sell used shit on ebay/amazon biz of yours?

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Bladewire

I think it's a great move on the Republicans part to get people to leave the state.

This is the EXACT reason people move to Democrat run states. You're paid what you're worth, you have insurance and a cleaner environment. Yet the system gives more power per voter to red states that fuck their citizens giving them no long-term prospects, forcing them to leave.

This is why the Electoral College should be abolished and have majority rule.

CoolMikey

Some can, many can not. Those that can not, simply either hire no people (like crockett), or hire fewer, forcing those with limited skills to depend on welfare.

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crockett

I don't pay anyone. I'm not interested in building empires I'm interested in having a easy life..

If I were to pay someone to do my business style work, I'd pay them piece work at least on the clothing side. A by the hour person would have no incentive to work harder because no matter how many items they processed they'd get paid the same, so why would they work hard?

Meanwhile you pay someone $2 a item if they process 10 items an hour they would be making $20/hr. 10 items per hour would be obtainable for what I do. I'd much rather pay one hard worker that wants to work and earn money $20/hr via piece work than get two lackeys for $10..

I've always been a firm believer in piece work where it works out for the job type. I've had a few piece work jobs in my life and when I did those I used to always average over $20/hr for a week. You give people incentives to work and they will work, it's just that simple. Pay people like shit and you get shitty employees.

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Barry-xlovecam

The minimum wage in 1971 was 1.60 in 2017 dollars that is 9.84
My first job was in the Retail Clerks Union as a stock boy @$2.35 $13.86/hr (2017 money) in 1972 no medical benefit as I recall.

Bladewire

My first job was a couple paper routes with full front & back load delivery on my bicycle before dawn and evening edition after school. At the end of the month I'd collect my money. I think I was 11 or 12.

I lived on my own in highschool and worked at 2 KFC's and a Target to afford renting a room from an old lady chain smoker with on titty. I got paid $4.85 an hour and barely survived.

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CoolMikey

I agree with you, employees should be paid what their contribution is worth, and piece work is the best way of accomplishing that.

Under minimum wage system, what happens to those that are only able or willing to do 4 items per hour (producing only $8 of value for you)? You should be forced to pay them $10/hr? What incentive does one have to be more productive if they are guaranteed a minimum wage?

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Robbie

That move just may save a lot of jobs in Missouri.
All the usual clowns on GFY were screaming for a $15 minimum wage over the last year.

And the results are in from Seattle where the idiots actually DID that:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0ddd3aa2e60e

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Bladewire

Look at you supporting the minimum wage decrease

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Bladewire

Right because only liberals want a liveable wage. You are so party line you can't even follow common sense. Very unfortunate. You keep pasting that same story link that's been debunked over and over again.

From your the article you linked to:

"The data, however, shows that about seven in 10 workers in Seattle restaurants make more than $13 an hour, suggesting that the overall level of employment in the industry might not be a reliable guide to how the minimum wage affects workers with low pay."

Barry-xlovecam

Probably, being a robot/automation salesman will be a good career choice in St. Louis. At $7.70 an hour they will have a hard time filling jobs.

Robbie

Nonsense. PLENTY of unskilled labor and teens fresh out of high school looking for work.
Once you raise the minimum wage for that unskilled labor...it prices them right out of the job market.

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baddog

There is a lot more to Missouri than a city like St Louis

mineistaken

State law should be above city law, imho.
You can not go and not respect your state's laws.

crockett

It's very simple, you have a basic quota or rate that has to be achieved. If the employee can't make this rate then you replace them. Using bad employees as excuse for low pay is just a bad management..

The simple fact is companies keep wages low because they can get away with it. McDonalds in Denver start people at $10/hr or very close to it. Why? Because they have to pay those rates or no one will work there because literally every big box store is hiring there, Walmarts, Targets every fast food place have very hard times hiring people because there are better paying jobs.

McDonalds isn't charging more for a hamburger in Denver than they do in FL.. Meanwhile in FL all the McDonalds in my area, pay these people $8.25/hr to start. Granted both are shit pay but do you think the McDonalds in FL can't afford to pay the same $10 dollars they pay in Denver? Of course they could, but they don't have to so they don't..

Walmarts are the same way. The prices in the stores don't change much based on the region the store is in, but the pay does.. Every big box or company with stores all over the country will always pay the bare minimum they have to in that area.

Now here is the kicker on the Walmart side at least.. They pay their supply chain side pretty good. Example out in Denver the hire on pay at their distribution center is $18/hr. Their company Truck Drivers get paid .70 cents a mile which is very high for company drivers, most non owner operators are usually in the .50 cent a mile range.

Why do they pay that high? Because they know those are valuable employees that can go elsewhere at the drop of a hat and have a job.. They have to pay them well so they do and they aren't going bankrupt from payting them well they just get loyal employees..

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Deej

Doesn't the state dictate this?

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BaldBastard

Min wage in Aus is closer to $20 USD an hour once you add in all benefits, and that's a for a kid out of school washing pots..

All your fast food chains are here making healthy profits and local Amazon is in next year.

Unemployment is about 5-6% If you don't have a job, benefit is $500.00 per fortnight but there's a lot of add on's you can boost that with

9.11 Unemployment benefits and the minimum wage

Robbie

The cost of living has a lot to do with that.

In Missouri...it's not as expensive to live. So a high minimum wage isn't gonna work there.
In New York City...it's outrageously expensive to live there and a higher minimum wage would work.

But bottom line...a fast food job is ENTRY level. Not a "real" job.

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Bladewire

I lived in Australia 5 years and everyone I knew had a home & rental property and most had boats. My standard of living in Australia was the best in my life so far.

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Axeman

You do pay more for McDonalds in Colorado vs Floria. Its a minor number though.

McDonalds Prices - Fast Food Menu Prices Select the States to compare.

Washington State - Big Mac combo is $7.01. Florida its $6.71

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beerptrol

Yep. If you can't afford to pay a living wage then you don't need to be in business

Funny how many working people get some kind of government help because employers don't pay a living wage

And for those saying it will mean more jobs or protect current jobs. Why should the taxpayers prop up those jobs and employers in a free market.
Lower pay means taxpayers pay more because those employees need government help to live

And preach about how welfare is costing us when we spend more on corporate welfare

DBS.US

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BaldBastard

Its exactly the same in any country, living in Sydney is a lot more expensive than someone in a rural area, the figure I quote and link are national award rates, So say unemployment benefit is $501 nationally but if your in say Sydney, you can get like another 150 a week to top up for higher cost of livings and other shit too.

Min wage is just for those who don't have the skills to negotiate their own rate

If you can prevent poverty, you reduce many social problems, hence why we don't feel the need to carry/own a gun and live free of many of the issues you have in the USA.

Never judge a country by how they look after the rich, but by how they look after the poor, because the rich will get rich anyways, its just another hurdle to overcome.

Free Healthcare, liveable min wage, and a security net for those who fall thru.

It doesn't take a lot to make a better place for everyone.

And for American mentality keep in mind with free health care, most still have insurance if they can afford. Break your leg say and the medical and hospital is free, but the Physiotherapy will cost you your other leg hehe.

directfiesta

That is not work ... but slavery ....

How can you live on $ 270.00 a week ....

notinmybackyard

When a company can get their products and services using slave Chinese labor... Than if you want to keep working in North America you're going to have to work for slave wages.

Next it'll be automation that will screw the workers over.

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BaldBastard

That's totally fucking wrong, you adapt. If you want to keep trying to sell the Chinese things they can produce themselves.. then sure, I guess Trumps plan is to sell them coal heheh sorry they get that from Aus already.

Chinese especially pay more than any one else for things like pure natural products, hence why a small country like New Zealand can do a free trade deal with them, we don't buy their shit anyways but they go MENTAL over ours. American agricultural shit no ones going to touch soon with the amount of regulations being rolled back, its a ticking clock.

If you can't see that, I guess you voted for Trump.

Axeman

https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=RMW

Hourly min wages around the world, adjusted for purchasing power (PPP). Taking cost of living differences into account. USA is in line with Japan. Slightly lower than Canada. Over $3 different from Australia.

Australia does have over $1 Trillion foreign debt, which is a lot for a country of 24 million people.

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Robbie

I don't know where some of y'all come up with this "living wage" nonsense.

You pay a person what they are WORTH. Unskilled labor should be paid accordingly.
Asking if you "want fries with that" at a drive-in window isn't worth $2 an hour.
And now that they are "demanding" $15 an hour? They will be replaced by a kiosk.

The end result will be millions of entry level jobs...gone.

Way to go guys!

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Sarn

> Missouri Republicans Lower St. Louis Minimum Wage From $10 To $7.70


JEFFERSON CITY ? While Illinois residents face the prospect of paying higher income taxes to finance state government programs, Missouri?s tax rates are poised to head downward.
In Missouri, tax cuts are on the way | Political Fix | stltoday.com

spads

Yeah, but then democratic run states like California and Illinois tax the shit out of everyone while promising insane salaries and pensions to government workers. Both of those states are now on the verge of bankruptcy because of their over spending.

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Paul Markham

Blaming Trump for this is bullshit. It's been going on for decades and its all about making a few very, very rich, a lot very poor and the rest treading water.

When the first US clothing factories shut down did anyone here complain, some were still in diapers or did you buy foreign made clothing? Where were the jobs to replace those that went? In shops selling foreign-made clothing.

The same thing has been happening for 50 years, in different trades, and it's now the damage is being felt by most people who are still losing god jobs to be replaced by minimum wage jobs or no jobs at all.

The Third World grows and the First World falls.

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mineistaken

Globalists' dream, to make all countries "equal". One country world as a final plan someday.

Paul Markham

With some more equal than others. While the Western Working Class struggles and the Third World working class lives off a few dollars a day.

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Robbie

An adult doesn't. That's why it's for teenagers who live at home with mom and dad.
Give an 18 year old $270 a week and they are "rich".
Especially when mom and dad are paying all the bills.

Raise the minimum wage to $15 and all of these jobs will be gone.

$15 an hour is NOT an "entry level" wage for unskilled labor. These fast food jobs are meant as a starting point. You WORK your way up to better wages.

Seems like everyone has forgotten about starting at the bottom and working your way up.

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DownThePoole

I understand they are bringing back slavery in April 2018.

Bladewire

Another example of the flaws in the structural fibers of your mind, it must be a genetic birth defect. You need to stay in your motherland Slovakia.

You're against globalization, yet call an American president your "God Emporer".

Logically if you're for states rights, over cities rights then you're for federal rights over states rights. Very simple. But not in your fucked up mind minion

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notinmybackyard

This argument of "Adapt" is total bullshit. Just like the porn industry which used earn billions and had hundreds of production companies and independents producers it's now just a small handful of people controlling 95& of all the money. Plus the industry is a hell of a lot smaller and there's a lot less jobs.


I don't vote. I never have and never will. Plus I'm not American.

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crockett

Its funny you say that.. I was just at the store and some vender guy was blabbing his mouth to anyone who walked by about how great it was because "Obama the Oppressor" was gone..

This is a old white guy dressed in red white and blue shirt for 4th of July.. I don't bother with this type of moron in real life but I'm thinking what did Obama ever do to oppress this dumbfuck?

So on one hand with have a WH administration that is purposely deleting scientific data because it doesn't fit their ideology, is banning groups of people from entering our country legally, attacks the media constantly and the list can go on and on but it's all ok but big bad Obama the oppressor attempted to get us all health care and he's literally Hitler..

I just have no clue what goes on inside the big empty space of the conservative mind. It surely isn't much critical thinking, that's one tying I'm 100% certain of..

seeandsee

1540$ sallary in mcdonalds, nice

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Paul Markham

What happens when minimum wage jobs are the only jobs available?

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Paul Markham

Add most manufacturing jobs to that list. For upper management as well.

Then add the retail jobs going. We are creating a permanent underclass of people. Then shipping in migrants to take what;s left of the manual jobs.


You then are part of the problem.

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Paul Markham

Because the decline in living standard continues under Obama.

Why should anyone have automatic rights to go live in another country?

If Obama had brought jobs back to the US he would have been widely loved by people like this guy. The flow of decent jobs out of the US continued under Obama.

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They can go extra money selling on Ebay

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Bladewire

Please don't take this personally, you're not very smart (no offense)