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Paul Markham · 06-26-2017, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Rising health insurance costs are not an American specific issue

Cost of healthcare in Australia is much less than the USA, but if you just look at the insurance premiums we pay, they have at least doubled in the past 5 years.

I'd guess that scenario is the same in every country.

True. We hear are discussing our own systems as well.

Paul Markham · 06-27-2017, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

Can you explain to me what good it does society to have someone who is old lose everything they have worked for just because they got sick or injured and needed medical care?

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Maybe this will clear up my position:

If you have a bunch of cash in the bank or liquid investments like stocks etc. I have no problem with having to use those to pay for medical bills. What I don't like is when people have retirement accounts like 401K accounts or they have life insurance policies that they have to cash in to pay for medical bills.

To me, it seems crazy that a person who has a modest retirement fund that they worked their whole life accumulating should have to cash it all in and live in poverty the rest of their lives simply because they got sick or injured.

So who will pay, the young who never met the person?

Paul Markham · 06-27-2017, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah they do "regulate" it...they fucking hold hands with them and allow them to price gouge us and there's nothing we can do about it. And when we try to buy our pharmaceuticals from other country's...the Federal Govt. tries to stop that as well. The govt. "regulates" the high prices by the legislation they have passed that gives Big Pharma, Big Hospital Corp., and Big Insurance everything they need to milk the system. And ObamaCare was the BIGGEST gift of them all.

It's like dealing with the mafia in the old days.

So change the system.

Paul Markham · 06-27-2017, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

So what if someone retires at 65 then they get sick at 70 and by age 72 they have recovered and are back to living their lives? They could live another 10-20 years. If they had to chew up all their resources paying for healthcare now they are going to live out the rest of their life broke and on the system costing even more.

They can't take it with them, but they can leave any money/assets they have to family members. Do you think this money and/or assets would be better used if it ended up in the hands of this person's family or if it ended up in the pockets of shareholders and CEO bonuses?

So change the system you have to live under.

Paul Markham · 06-27-2017, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PamWinterReturns

UNCoolMikey. You proved you are a dumbass with that statement. Old people worked hard to save and buy a house, car, put kids through college, etc. You can't take it to the grave but you can leave it to kids, relatives or charity. My mom is leaving her houses to my best friend. He flies up yearly to visit me. He's been there for me as I was for him.

Young people can earn a living. Old people need assistance. Old people helped finance this country, helped create jobs, helped raise the young.

If an old person loses everything, YOUR taxes will subsidize them. YOUR money will help support them. They paid for decades for you; now it's your turn.

Not fair? Move to 🇰🇵 North Korea. Or, how about Russia? Or try Moldavia.

What is the alternative, the young pay more in taxes to subsidise the old?

kane · 06-27-2017, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So change the system you have to live under.

Care to explain how I should go about doing that?

Barry-xlovecam · 06-27-2017, 12:58 AM

There is such a thing as hard luck in this world.

the ying and yang of life should be:

No one is left to die without dignity but everyone must pay their way if they can.

There should be some cost controls in health trauma, health rehabilitative circumstances or end of life situations. Cost controls in what ways needs to be looked into. In 1920 they might have just put you in the charity ward where there were 20 beds with people placed there -- that was acceptable back then ...

kane · 06-27-2017, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So who will pay, the young who never met the person?

In a perfect world, it would be like schools, roads, fire, police, military, rescue, social security etc where everyone pays into it and everyone who needs it gets to use it. Just like universal health care in pretty much every other industrialized nation in the world.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-27-2017, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What is the alternative, the young pay more in taxes to subsidise the old?

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Topic 751 - Social Security and Medicare Withholding Rates

Taxes under the Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) are composed of the old-age, survivors, and disability insurance taxes, also known as social security taxes, and the hospital insurance tax, also known as Medicare taxes. Different rates apply for these taxes.
Social Security and Medicare Withholding Rates

The current tax rate for social security is 6.2% for the employer and 6.2% for the employee, or 12.4% total. The current rate for Medicare is 1.45% for the employer and 1.45% for the employee, or 2.9% total. Refer to Publication 15, (Circular E), Employer's Tax Guide, for more information; or Publication 51, (Circular A), Agricultural Employer’s Tax Guide, for agricultural employers.
Additional Medicare Tax Withholding Rate

Additional Medicare Tax applies to an individual's Medicare wages that exceed a threshold amount based on the taxpayer's filing status. Employers are responsible for withholding the 0.9% Additional Medicare Tax on an individual's wages paid in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year, without regard to filing status. An employer is required to begin withholding Additional Medicare Tax in the pay period in which it pays wages in excess of $200,000 to an employee and continue to withhold it each pay period until the end of the calendar year. There's no employer match for Additional Medicare Tax. For more information, see Questions and Answers for the Additional Medicare Tax.
Wage Base Limits

Only the social security tax has a wage base limit. The wage base limit is the maximum wage that's subject to the tax for that year. For earnings in 2017, this base is $127,200. Refer to "What's New" in Publication 15 for the current wage limit for social security wages; or Publication 51 for agricultural employers.

There's no wage base limit for Medicare tax. All covered wages are subject to Medicare tax.

All persons pay Medicare Taxes on "ordinary income earned". Capital gains are exempted.

However, https://www.thestreet.com/story/1170...e-earners.html

Unearned Income over $250K (modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) above $250,000(mainly from capital gains)) is subject to a 3.8% tax under the ACA (Obamacare)

So, if your MAGI is $750K Obamacare (ACA) costs you $19,000 in tax surcharges in that tax year. 500000*.038

That's what the repeal *Obamacare* is about to the top 1%. The rest is mainly bullshit diversions.

pimpmaster9000 · 06-27-2017, 02:30 AM

you guys should consider letting serbia or cuba run your healthcare...3rd world shit holes rank with your healthcare but are waaaay more efficient...americans cant healthcare...they just cant

onwebcam · 06-27-2017, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

All persons pay Medicare Taxes on "ordinary income earned". Capital gains are exempted.

However, https://www.thestreet.com/story/1170...e-earners.html

Unearned Income over $250K (modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) above $250,000(mainly from capital gains)) is subject to a 3.8% tax under the ACA (Obamacare)

So, if your MAGI is $750K Obamacare (ACA) costs you $19,000 in tax surcharges in that tax year. 500000*.038

That's what the repeal *Obamacare* is about to the top 1%. The rest is mainly bullshit diversions.

Actually if you listen to the right people it's about not forcing someone to buy something from a private corporation. As well as about those people like me who are small business owners that fall within that small gap that don't qualify for subsidies as well as not able afford the ridiculous cost of covering 3 people at inflated prices due to it. This being the first year of ACA in full effect I'm officially uninsured. In addition to that I received a notice from the IRS saying they were not processing my return because I didn't send in a form for ACA which I never actually was involved with. It's a big fucking mess for me that shouldn't even be. I basically have 2 options. Pay myself less money so I can qualify for subsidies which in turn screws me if I decide to do something like take out a mortgage loan or pay the fines and be uninsured.

Goosy · 06-27-2017, 02:37 AM

ahhhh :O

Barry-xlovecam · 06-27-2017, 04:00 AM

@onwebcam you are being played as a peon by that guy that doesn't want to pay that 3.9% tax. This is the guy who the Congress cares about -- not you. Their *large political donors (and patrons)*

If you cannot afford insurance -- how will you pay for any *catastrophic* medical emergency you or your family may have? Unless you have $50K (really $250K) set aside to differ this expense, you need some form of insurance.

Don't get me wrong -- I understand you are between a rock and a hard place.

You should not have to pay more than 10% of your net business income or aggregate gross wage income for healthcare insurance. It's harder to calculate how employer paid healthcare insurance affects wages --but it does indeed lower wages-- as it is part of the cost of labor (benefits).

You should be able to buy a healthcare insurance policy with the deductible you want, including $10K, $20K, $50K.

It's not really fair for me to pay your medical expense, without healthcare insurance, if you cannot not pay, nor should you pay substantially more than you receive, to subsidize my higher medical costs pain in part with healthcare insurance.

However, what is happening with the Trump/Republican healthcare bill is: that all of us will end up paying for these Medicaid people that get cut off the ''program''.

Unless we refuse them service, when they show up at the hospital ER (in a desperate situation usually), every taxpayer will be getting the bill in one form or another -- including higher hospital prices to make up the losses. These people do not qualify for GA or AFDC (general assistance or aid for dependent families; AKA: Welfare) they get no Medicaid on that basis.

Collectively, we are all going to pay for their healthcare or watch them die in the streets. The heaviest cost burden will fall on the middle income earners -- that's what this dog fight is all about.

Paul Markham · 06-27-2017, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

In a perfect world, it would be like schools, roads, fire, police, military, rescue, social security etc where everyone pays into it and everyone who needs it gets to use it. Just like universal health care in pretty much every other industrialized nation in the world.

Firstly you don't pay enough in taxes.

In some countries, they do pay a lot more and get better public sector services.

Paul Markham · 06-27-2017, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

Care to explain how I should go about doing that?

Vote for people who will represent you and not people who represent the billionaires.

Paul Markham · 06-27-2017, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

This is the guy who the Congress cares about -- not you. Their *large political donors (and patrons)*

Then why are you voting for him?

The US has got the politicians it deserves because they vote for them.

beerptrol · 06-27-2017, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

@onwebcam you are being played as a peon by that guy that doesn't want to pay that 3.9% tax. This is the guy who the Congress cares about -- not you. Their *large political donors (and patrons)*

If you cannot afford insurance -- how will you pay for any *catastrophic* medical emergency you or your family may have? Unless you have $50K (really $250K) set aside to differ this expense, you need some form of insurance.

Don't get me wrong -- I understand you are between a rock and a hard place.

You should not have to pay more than 10% of your net business income or aggregate gross wage income for healthcare insurance. It's harder to calculate how employer paid healthcare insurance affects wages --but it does indeed lower wages-- as it is part of the cost of labor (benefits).

You should be able to buy a healthcare insurance policy with the deductible you want, including $10K, $20K, $50K.

It's not really fair for me to pay your medical expense, without healthcare insurance, if you cannot not pay, nor should you pay substantially more than you receive, to subsidize my higher medical costs pain in part with healthcare insurance.

However, what is happening with the Trump/Republican healthcare bill is: that all of us will end up paying for these Medicaid people that get cut off the ''program''.

Unless we refuse them service, when they show up at the hospital ER (in a desperate situation usually), every taxpayer will be getting the bill in one form or another -- including higher hospital prices to make up the losses. These people do not qualify for GA or AFDC (general assistance or aid for dependent families; AKA: Welfare) they get no Medicaid on that basis.

Collectively, we are all going to pay for their healthcare or watch them die in the streets. The heaviest cost burden will fall on the middle income earners -- that's what this dog fight is all about.

Chumpanzees are short sighted simpletons like their cult leader chump.

Tasty1 · 06-27-2017, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Not really.
If you ever go to Tijuana you will find dozens of clinics with U.S. doctors working in them. These doctors also have offices in San Diego and spend half their time in each place. Thousands of U.S. residents go there every year for affordable surgery.
I know plenty of people who have had surgery done there and were able to pay for it out of pocket.

Medical tourism isn't for emergency life-saving type surgeries. It's for the kind of surgeries you can plan for. Like hip replacement, etc.

Here's an article on it:
Medical Tourism: What is it, and What are the Costs, Benefits - Men's Journal

Dentists are also popular. I went in Mexico and Colombia. Just look online at the reviews. I read some reviews where people in the USA had to pay 2500 USD for dental work that can be done for 300 euro like crowns.

Robbie · 06-27-2017, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Dentists are also popular. I went in Mexico and Colombia. Just look online at the reviews. I read some reviews where people in the USA had to pay 2500 USD for dental work that can be done for 300 euro like crowns.

Yep....I saw a lot of dentist offices down there as well. Doing dental implants for 1/4 the price of the U.S.
And they were U.S. dentists who live in San Diego for the most part.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-27-2017, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Then why are you voting for him?

The US has got the politicians it deserves because they vote for them.

I didn't personally vote for Trump or the Congressmen and Congresswomen that are supporting the current American Healthcare Act. I did vote for the ones that created the ACA (Obamacare) mess -- I have both benefited medically and suffered financially from that mess.

If you mean why the American people elected "them" the American people are not that smart I guess as a group.

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New taxes (paid by all);
Business sales	        12.00%	VAT	Food,rent,prescriptions  exempt
Stock and equities	0.65%	Transfer Tax	withholding
Est land & improvements	0.15%	Property Tax	by tax assessor

Under these circumstances you could eliminate Obamacare and have a chance of success.
Rich guy buys a Porsche or a Bentley he pays the VAT on it
If you trade $5 million a day and close your positions you pay the transfer tax
If the common man buys a new chair for his house he pays the VAT on it or buys a new toaster, iPhone ... etc

Benefit to the economy;
$700 - $800 Billion in canceled private payer insurance policies
Savings of $200 billion with a 10% decrease in one payer administrative costs with a forced gain of 15% in heathcare delivery efficiency.

If the government wants to give me a $300K grant, I can further research the numbers I used and make a nice white paper for them to read -- if not, those shitheads can figure this out themselves if they really want to.

The point is; they want to redistribute costs to those least able to afford them -- common and lesser citizens.

The best thing they could do at this point is make basic healthcare private payer insurance illegal -- but they don't have that power. One reason is because this healthcare private payer insurance system is regulated by the individual states. Notwithstanding Medicare payment allowances to providers.

Oddly enough, by allowing intrastate insurance competition -- the federal government can regulate insurance carriers in interstate commerce.

directfiesta · 06-27-2017, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

"The 150 residents of Dogwood Village include former teachers, farmers, doctors, lawyers, stay-at-home parents and health aides ? a cross section of this rural county a half-hour northeast of Charlottesville. Many entered old age solidly middle class but turned to Medicaid, which was once thought of as a government program exclusively for the poor, after exhausting their insurance and assets."

So they lost their savings during the Obama period and now want the republicans to take care of them.

The low interest rates are having huge negative effect on the income of pensionners .

I invested 600K in real estate, because my return is about 12% ( not necessarely cash tough - paying capital )

If I left that money in secure investment , I would get about 8000.00 a year return ... hardly enough to live on.

10 years ago, that same 600K would bring back 40 to 45K yearly ....

So situation under Obama did get worse ( nothing related to him ) and now will gett way worse as the safdety net is removed by Trump .

PS: you will be old one day ....

kane · 06-27-2017, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Vote for people who will represent you and not people who represent the billionaires.

In the last election, about 30% of the seats that were up for election had someone running uncontested. My congressman was one of those people. Of the bigger seats that were up for election including one Senate seat, there was no real choice. For Senate I could vote for the incumbent or I could choose to vote for his challenger who was also a lifelong politician.

You can only vote for the people who run for office. How am I supposed to vote for people who will represent me and not billionaires when there are none running?

Paul Markham · 06-28-2017, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Dentists are also popular. I went in Mexico and Colombia. Just look online at the reviews. I read some reviews where people in the USA had to pay 2500 USD for dental work that can be done for 300 euro like crowns.

Here in Czech private dental health care is very cheap.

Paul Markham · 06-28-2017, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I didn't personally vote for Trump or the Congressmen and Congresswomen that are supporting the current American Healthcare Act. I did vote for the ones that created the ACA (Obamacare) mess -- I have both benefited medically and suffered financially from that mess.

If you mean why the American people elected "them" the American people are not that smart I guess as a group.

You are the problem and the other 90 million.

If ?Did Not Vote? Had Been A Candidate In The 2016 US Presidential Election, It Would Have Won By a Landslide. Yes you can make a difference.

And I suspect the US has worse figures for other elections.

Paul Markham · 06-28-2017, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

The low interest rates are having huge negative effect on the income of pensionners .

I invested 600K in real estate, because my return is about 12% ( not necessarely cash tough - paying capital )

If I left that money in secure investment , I would get about 8000.00 a year return ... hardly enough to live on.

10 years ago, that same 600K would bring back 40 to 45K yearly ....

So situation under Obama did get worse ( nothing related to him ) and now will gett way worse as the safdety net is removed by Trump .

PS: you will be old one day ....

So invest in land or gold, etc. There are many pension schemes that allow a broad range of investments.

Paul Markham · 06-28-2017, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

In the last election, about 30% of the seats that were up for election had someone running uncontested. My congressman was one of those people. Of the bigger seats that were up for election including one Senate seat, there was no real choice. For Senate I could vote for the incumbent or I could choose to vote for his challenger who was also a lifelong politician.

You can only vote for the people who run for office. How am I supposed to vote for people who will represent me and not billionaires when there are none running?

No one else stood to oppose him?

If so that's unusual. The thing is that things will change if you start to vote for the outsider.

thommy · 06-28-2017, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No one else stood to oppose him?

If so that's unusual. The thing is that things will change if you start to vote for the outsider.

but you are honoring the one what is ECTREMLY the opposite of your own idea.

yes trump is an outsider - he is so outside that he will not even get a place in hell because he is too evil for the devil.
hitler was an outsider too.

the healthcare problem in us is that is was (is) allowed for young and healthy people not to pay in any insurance but call for the society when they get sick.
so the one and ONLY way to finance it is the same way EVERY insurance is financed - by the good luck of those who never get old and/or sick.

the arguments of those who speak against obamacare are the same as when someone does not want to pay car insurance because he did not have an accident yet.
that is bullshit from people who are fucking stupid and nothing else.

kane · 06-28-2017, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No one else stood to oppose him?

If so that's unusual. The thing is that things will change if you start to vote for the outsider.

That's just the thing. It's not unusual at all. In the 2016 election, there were 30 different congressional reps and 1 Senator who ran unopposed.

Here the Denver Post talks about how across the nation 42% of all state House and Assembly seats only had one candidate. In the state of Georgia, 83% of the State House seats ran unopposed in the last election.

Bladewire · 06-28-2017, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

That's just the thing. It's not unusual at all. In the 2016 election, there were 30 different congressional reps and 1 Senator who ran unopposed.

Here the Denver Post talks about how across the nation 42% of all state House and Assembly seats only had one candidate. In the state of Georgia, 83% of the State House seats ran unopposed in the last election.

So much for democracy, gerrymandering strikes again.

"Political scientists say a major reason for the lack of choices is the way districts are drawn ? gerrymandered, in some cases, to ensure as many comfortable seats as possible for the majority party by creating other districts overwhelmingly packed with voters for the minority party."

"?In Georgia, just 31 of the 180 state House districts featured both Republican and Democratic candidates, a nation-high uncontested rate of 83 percent. Republicans hold almost two-thirds of the seats in the Georgia House of Representatives."

Robbie · 06-28-2017, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

That's just the thing. It's not unusual at all. In the 2016 election, there were 30 different congressional reps and 1 Senator who ran unopposed.

That's because some places are so liberal (New York City...much of California) or conservative (Texas, etc.) that it's a waste of money for the opposing party to run a candidate.

kane · 06-28-2017, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That's because some places are so liberal (New York City...much of California) or conservative (Texas, etc.) that it's a waste of money for the opposing party to run a candidate.

That is what happened with my rep in the last election. He won by such a big margin in the previous election, the Republicans didn't even bother running someone against him because it would just be a waste of money.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-28-2017, 03:54 PM

Voting districts have been gerrymandered by the representatives the voters elect since this country was founded -- so what is the point? The people got what they voted for. Then it only got worse and perpetuated itself.

If you do not like the voting district you are in, realistically your only option is to move to a district more favorable to your expectations. Otherwise, you have set out on an uphill battle you may never win.

kane · 06-28-2017, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Voting districts have been gerrymandered by the representatives the voters elect since this country was founded -- so what is the point? The people got what they voted for. Then it only got worse and perpetuated itself.

If you do not like the voting district you are in, realistically your only option is to move to a district more favorable to your expectations. Otherwise, you have set out on an uphill battle you may never win.

Couldn't we just come up with an algorithm that drew voting districts so we could eliminate the human/political bias?

Barry-xlovecam · 06-28-2017, 04:07 PM

Fair to who?

kane · 06-28-2017, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Fair to who?

Fair in the sense that they draw the boundaries based on population and not race, religion, political affiliation, income etc.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-28-2017, 06:10 PM

That would be too logical LOL
Maybe, the state assemblies should be more like parliaments you vote the party's ticket. All districts become at large on the state government level.

That would take a state constitutional convention with a 2/3 affirmation vote and a popular vote referendum on the result -- not going to happen.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-28-2017, 06:41 PM

Look how much the super rich will save with this Republican Healthcare 'tax cut' bill

Warren Buffet (who can buy and sell Trump on a bad day)

Paul Markham · 06-28-2017, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

but you are honoring the one what is ECTREMLY the opposite of your own idea.

yes trump is an outsider - he is so outside that he will not even get a place in hell because he is too evil for the devil.
hitler was an outsider too.

the healthcare problem in us is that is was (is) allowed for young and healthy people not to pay in any insurance but call for the society when they get sick.
so the one and ONLY way to finance it is the same way EVERY insurance is financed - by the good luck of those who never get old and/or sick.

the arguments of those who speak against obamacare are the same as when someone does not want to pay car insurance because he did not have an accident yet.
that is bullshit from people who are fucking stupid and nothing else.

My point is to vote for the outsider to get rid of the two party system.

Paul Markham · 06-28-2017, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

That's just the thing. It's not unusual at all. In the 2016 election, there were 30 different congressional reps and 1 Senator who ran unopposed.

Here the Denver Post talks about how across the nation 42% of all state House and Assembly seats only had one candidate. In the state of Georgia, 83% of the State House seats ran unopposed in the last election.

No major parties stood. So vote for an outsider. Don't vote for the incumbent whatever the alternative is.

The system needs an enormous kick up the ass.

Paul Markham · 06-28-2017, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That's because some places are so liberal (New York City...much of California) or conservative (Texas, etc.) that it's a waste of money for the opposing party to run a candidate.

Because American voters are blind.

Why only vote for Republican or Democrat?

kane · 06-28-2017, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No major parties stood. So vote for an outsider. Don't vote for the incumbent whatever the alternative is.

The system needs an enormous kick up the ass.

Maybe you aren't understanding me. In many cases, there is only ONE person on the ballot. How do I vote for an outsider when there is one person to vote for?

Robbie · 06-29-2017, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Because American voters are blind.

Why only vote for Republican or Democrat?

Because the Republican and Democrat Party have rigged the system to work against anyone who isn't one of those two.

They make it extremely difficult to get on the ballot...almost impossible. And then in the Presidential election...they require them to get a certain percentage in their fake polls to be "eligible" to be in the Presidential debates.

Paul, your ideas are correct. But you just don't understand the corruption of the American political system.
Americans aren't "blind"...the 2 ruling party's (Republican and Democrat) have passed laws across this country to KEEP the power amongst themselves.

That's why Trump ran as a Republican. He's not "conservative" or Republican at all...hell, all the Republican's in the debates called him out on that.
But Trump is very smart. And he hijacked the Republican Party and used their own rules AGAINST them.
Brilliant!

Barry-xlovecam · 06-29-2017, 06:24 AM

If Trump (the Orange Messiah) is such a *rich guy* as he claims: If Trump made $100.25 million in 2016, he owes $3.8 million in "obamacare tax"

The Obamacare Tax Cut for Rich Guys Act

crockett · 06-29-2017, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Then why are you voting for him?

The US has got the politicians it deserves because they vote for them.

You don't seem to understand US political system for as much as you rant about it.

Let me give you a easy example. We have state districts. You can only vote for or against someone who is running in your state district.

There are 435 members of the House they can all affect my life but I can only vote for 1 of them. Meaning there are 434 people in the House of Reps that can vote for laws that affect me but I have zero opportunity to vote for or against them.

That is why we can't vote them out of office. Add to this the issues of gerrymandering and many of these guys are impossible to remove short of shooting them...

Bladewire · 06-30-2017, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

If Trump (the Orange Messiah) is such a *rich guy* as he claims: If Trump made $100.25 million in 2016, he owes $3.8 million in "obamacare tax"

The Obamacare Tax Cut for Rich Guys Act

Can't wait to see his taxes

Paul Markham · 06-30-2017, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

Maybe you aren't understanding me. In many cases, there is only ONE person on the ballot. How do I vote for an outsider when there is one person to vote for?

Oh I thought you had a Democracy over there.I was wrong.

Paul Markham · 06-30-2017, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Because the Republican and Democrat Party have rigged the system to work against anyone who isn't one of those two.

They make it extremely difficult to get on the ballot...almost impossible. And then in the Presidential election...they require them to get a certain percentage in their fake polls to be "eligible" to be in the Presidential debates.

Paul, your ideas are correct. But you just don't understand the corruption of the American political system.
Americans aren't "blind"...the 2 ruling party's (Republican and Democrat) have passed laws across this country to KEEP the power amongst themselves.

That's why Trump ran as a Republican. He's not "conservative" or Republican at all...hell, all the Republican's in the debates called him out on that.
But Trump is very smart. And he hijacked the Republican Party and used their own rules AGAINST them.
Brilliant!

I do see independents running in the Presidential elections.

thommy · 07-01-2017, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Oh I thought you had a Democracy over there.I was wrong.

finally you got it :-)

and that´s the basic point what create all this problems including terrorism.

Busty2 · 07-01-2017, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Can't wait to see his taxes

Don't hold your breath

thommy · 07-01-2017, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You're leaving out something. The Federal Govt. heavily REGULATES the health care system in the U.S., and has been doing so since long before ObamaCare.

And it's the Federal Govt. which set the rules allowing Big Pharma, hospitals, Big Insurance, etc. to price gouge the U.S.

You really had to live here to have seen it happen.
The Feds went so far as to stop people from crossing the Canadian border to get life-saving drugs that they could not afford to buy here in the U.S. and pressured the Canadian govt. to check ID and NOT sell to US citizens.

And that happened back in the 1980's after HMO's went into effect.

No...the healthcare industry, big pharma, and big insurance have lobbyists that spend so much money in Washington D.C. that getting the price gouging to stop wasn't going to happen.

With govt. involved it destroyed the market. The lobbyists made sure of that. They didn't want a competitive field.

They had Congress set up the regulations so it benefitted them.
That's the way our corrupt govt. works.

Before govt. got involved here in the U.S., we used to pay our medical expenses out of pocket. It wasn't expensive at all.
The only thing you needed was "catastrophic insurance". In case you were in a car wreck or had a heart attack, etc.

Trying to compare us to European countries that are much smaller and have a tiny economy compared to the United States...just doesn't work. Especially when the U.S. has spent so much money in Europe post-WW2 helping all those country's regain their footing in the first place.

did you ever use your brain to think about WHY you have the highest healthcare costs (and had it already long before obama) ?

this is a result of a few failures in your system (this system you want to get back)

1. people in US are allowed NOT to be insured. that leads to the fact that they will not pay in any insurance - they will NOT go to a doctor and deseases are NOT mentioned soon enough to cure them.

2. that again leads into your very biggest problem named MEDICAID - because uninsured people what are getting sick, can´t work and spend all their money in other things as their health will need it and it cost a fortune.

3. MEDICAID is not since obama - it is a very old problem what became bigger and bigger because of this idiot system to allow people not to be insured.

4. your complete system is fucked because you can only vote for corrupt politicians (and now you hope the most corrupt will fix it). that makes healthcare for a BIG business and
the clever pharma industry found ways in the past that people do not die so fast on diseases. this ways keep them longer alive and longer sick.

5. I bet that 99% of republicans are financing their own life with shares of the pharma giants or are on their pay list. they will do a fuck to change that because it means that they lose money.

what you need is not another president (and the last thing is an idiot president like trump). no president can change anything because whatever he will do will be stopped by the congress or the senat and as soon he brings the citizens into their responsibility he will be stopped from them.

so see the truth: america is bankrupt already - more bankrupt as all the countries behind the iron curtain ever have been. it is just a question of time til this system need to be changed or you are bought by the chinese or indians.

it´s time for you to understand that the complete system has failed and have to be thrown to the garbitch.

06-27-2017, 02:30 AM	#110
pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	you guys should consider letting serbia or cuba run your healthcare...3rd world shit holes rank with your healthcare but are waaaay more efficient...americans cant healthcare...they just cant __________________ Report a suspicious cracker: Click Here

06-27-2017, 12:58 AM	#107
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	There is such a thing as hard luck in this world. the ying and yang of life should be: No one is left to die without dignity but everyone must pay their way if they can. There should be some cost controls in health trauma, health rehabilitative circumstances or end of life situations. Cost controls in what ways needs to be looked into. In 1920 they might have just put you in the charity ward where there were 20 beds with people placed there -- that was acceptable back then ...

06-27-2017, 02:37 AM	#112
Goosy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 92	ahhhh :O

06-27-2017, 04:00 AM	#113
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	@onwebcam you are being played as a peon by that guy that doesn't want to pay that 3.9% tax. This is the guy who the Congress cares about -- not you. Their large political donors (and patrons) If you cannot afford insurance -- how will you pay for any catastrophic medical emergency you or your family may have? Unless you have $50K (really $250K) set aside to differ this expense, you need some form of insurance. Don't get me wrong -- I understand you are between a rock and a hard place. You should not have to pay more than 10% of your net business income or aggregate gross wage income for healthcare insurance. It's harder to calculate how employer paid healthcare insurance affects wages --but it does indeed lower wages-- as it is part of the cost of labor (benefits). You should be able to buy a healthcare insurance policy with the deductible you want, including $10K, $20K, $50K. It's not really fair for me to pay your medical expense, without healthcare insurance, if you cannot not pay, nor should you pay substantially more than you receive, to subsidize my higher medical costs pain in part with healthcare insurance. However, what is happening with the Trump/Republican healthcare bill is: that all of us will end up paying for these Medicaid people that get cut off the ''program''. Unless we refuse them service, when they show up at the hospital ER (in a desperate situation usually), every taxpayer will be getting the bill in one form or another -- including higher hospital prices to make up the losses. These people do not qualify for GA or AFDC (general assistance or aid for dependent families; AKA: Welfare) they get no Medicaid on that basis. Collectively, we are all going to pay for their healthcare or watch them die in the streets. The heaviest cost burden will fall on the middle income earners -- that's what this dog fight is all about.

06-28-2017, 03:54 PM	#132
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Voting districts have been gerrymandered by the representatives the voters elect since this country was founded -- so what is the point? The people got what they voted for. Then it only got worse and perpetuated itself. If you do not like the voting district you are in, realistically your only option is to move to a district more favorable to your expectations. Otherwise, you have set out on an uphill battle you may never win.

06-28-2017, 04:07 PM	#134
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Fair to who?

06-28-2017, 06:10 PM	#136
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	That would be too logical LOL Maybe, the state assemblies should be more like parliaments you vote the party's ticket. All districts become at large on the state government level. That would take a state constitutional convention with a 2/3 affirmation vote and a popular vote referendum on the result -- not going to happen.

06-28-2017, 06:41 PM	#137
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Look how much the super rich will save with this Republican Healthcare 'tax cut' bill Warren Buffet (who can buy and sell Trump on a bad day)

06-29-2017, 06:24 AM	#143
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	If Trump (the Orange Messiah) is such a rich guy as he claims: If Trump made $100.25 million in 2016, he owes $3.8 million in "obamacare tax" The Obamacare Tax Cut for Rich Guys Act