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Old 06-16-2017, 03:45 PM   #1
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jobs taken over by robots to flip burgers

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According to Geek.com, the bot is capable of making up to 400 burgers to exact specifications every hour. It can also select toppings and place burgers on buns.
New robot could put those who flip burgers out of work - WKBW.com Buffalo, NY

they can dice & prepare the side orders & toppings too
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There was a story in Forbes recently that talked about how 80% of the manufacturing jobs lost in the US over the last 10 years were lost to automation, not outsourcing.

This is the future. The US economy is now mostly making lower paying service and retail jobs and now many of those jobs are going to be done by robots. It's going to be a wild next 20 years. It will be interesting to see what the country looks like when the dust settles.
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There was a story in Forbes recently that talked about how 80% of the manufacturing jobs lost in the US over the last 10 years were lost to automation, not outsourcing.

This is the future. The US economy is now mostly making lower paying service and retail jobs and now many of those jobs are going to be done by robots. It's going to be a wild next 20 years. It will be interesting to see what the country looks like when the dust settles.
this, but not just for the US, it´s world wide & obviously most electronics, especially robots are from Japan. Other countries like Russia & most of the EU do follow after a few years, but I can imagine Dubai & the middle east pushing for this, to stay on top of the electronic gadgets.
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this, but not just for the US, it´s world wide & obviously most electronics, especially robots are from Japan. Other countries like Russia & most of the EU do follow after a few years, but I can imagine Dubai & the middle east pushing for this, to stay on top of the electronic gadgets.
In that same article, it talked about a company in China that is one of the biggest manufacturing companies in the world that has just gone to automation. What they found is that they had a 200% increase in productivity and a 95% reduction in errors.

When the people that companies outsource to starts automating, you know things are changing rapidly.
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In that same article, it talked about a company in China that is one of the biggest manufacturing companies in the world that has just gone to automation. What they found is that they had a 200% increase in productivity and a 95% reduction in errors.

When the people that companies outsource to starts automating, you know things are changing rapidly.
that´s pretty amazing & this future is coming...


i´m just pleased i´m in the business I am. As people say, there´s nothing better than real human interaction when it comes to actual human interaction
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that´s pretty amazing & this future is coming...


i´m just pleased i´m in the business I am. As people say, there´s nothing better than real human interaction when it comes to actual human interaction
This isn't the future, it's the present. Go into a McDees and see the auto ordering making people at the tills redundant. Tescos here have self-service checkouts making more people redundant. Even bar codes made people redundant. Many lower end jobs will go and there will be nothing to replace them.

Reduction in staff requires less management, so the middle-class will get hit. And there's your customer base. Also, a percentage of girls made redundant or unable to find a job will do what you do.

The big hit to your income will be the need to increase taxes to look after the growing number of poor. As a true socialist I do hope you're ready to pay more taxes. Because the notion that the rich will pay for everything only works in the heads of the delusional.

There is a solution. Population reduction. No child benefits for the third and more child born 1 year after the law is passed. No increasing benefits for extra children. Negative migration figures so only those who are able to live without any benefits can migrate. Strict control on cultures that promote large families migrating into the West. It won't be enough so you will still be expected to pay more on taxes.

Taxing goods from Third World countries that rely on cheap labour to undercut Western manufacturing jobs will also need to be introduced. That includes automated factories in countries like China.
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this, but not just for the US, it´s world wide & obviously most electronics, especially robots are from Japan. Other countries like Russia & most of the EU do follow after a few years, but I can imagine Dubai & the middle east pushing for this, to stay on top of the electronic gadgets.
China will be leading in this sector. Dumping their cheap goods in the West and costing the West in jobs, profits and taxes.
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In that same article, it talked about a company in China that is one of the biggest manufacturing companies in the world that has just gone to automation. What they found is that they had a 200% increase in productivity and a 95% reduction in errors.

When the people that companies outsource to starts automating, you know things are changing rapidly.
What was the increase in profits?
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This is what happens when idiots DEMAND $15 an hour for a non-skill job meant for high school students
Many of us warned people in threads here on GFY that this would happen.
So now instead of having a low pay unskilled labor job...they will now have NO job
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What was the increase in profits?
I don't know but I assume it was pretty substantial. Vastly fewer errors and a huge uptick in productivity while getting rid of 85% of the workers is a recipe for bigger profits.
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This is what happens when idiots DEMAND $15 an hour for a non-skill job meant for high school students
Many of us warned people in threads here on GFY that this would happen.
So now instead of having a low pay unskilled labor job...they will now have NO job
The demand for a $15 minimum wage certainly helped move it along faster. Not too long ago when McDonald's was the focus of the minimum wage battle and the $15/hr number was floated out there McDonald's spoke out against it and started lobbying against it. Then they stopped all that and announced they were focusing their money, time, and effort into automation instead of fighting the minimum wage increase. If people are going to demand more to flip burgers, they will just buy a robot that can flip the burgers.
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This is what happens when idiots DEMAND $15 an hour for a non-skill job meant for high school students
Many of us warned people in threads here on GFY that this would happen.
So now instead of having a low pay unskilled labor job...they will now have NO job
Ignore Robbie, he doesn't know why the minimum wage was created and why it had to be increased to save the economy.
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On the bright side -- there is big money in making robots (for now )
Once AI robots can create new robots and program them -- all of us meatbags are fucked.
Not for those of us smart enough to inovate & create, there will always be a place for us, especially if things get out of hand, we'll creatively destroy and inovate the transition to a new beginning.
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The demand for a $15 minimum wage certainly helped move it along faster. Not too long ago when McDonald's was the focus of the minimum wage battle and the $15/hr number was floated out there McDonald's spoke out against it and started lobbying against it. Then they stopped all that and announced they were focusing their money, time, and effort into automation instead of fighting the minimum wage increase. If people are going to demand more to flip burgers, they will just buy a robot that can flip the burgers.
Hell, they wanted McDonalds to pay them $15 plus healthcare, etc. And of course you have to match FICA funds for taxes for your employees.

There is always two sides to this: The employee side and the owners side.

To me, an employee should only be paid what they are WORTH. That's how the market always has worked. Got a friend who is graduating with a masters degree in environmental science. Oil companies are lined up to hire him. Starting pay: $87 a fucking hour!!!

And that's just starting pay.
That's called SKILLED labor.

But when you are working a job that is designed to be the first "test" job of a person in high school to get their feet wet in the real world...that isn't worth $3 an hour.

The person taking your order on a stupid speaker? That can be replaced by an app and your smartphone.

in other words...if you want to work in a restaurant and make good money...you CAN. A real restaurant that is. Not fast food.
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There was a story in Forbes recently that talked about how 80% of the manufacturing jobs lost in the US over the last 10 years were lost to automation, not outsourcing.

This is the future. The US economy is now mostly making lower paying service and retail jobs and now many of those jobs are going to be done by robots. It's going to be a wild next 20 years. It will be interesting to see what the country looks like when the dust settles.
I am not sure how old you are, but they said this thirty years ago when I was first taking computer classes... This was back in the day of Lotus 1-2-3. They told us that the future workplace would be automated, and computers would do our jobs. This happened to a degree, but a the same time this created new jobs. Computers made our work easier and made us all more efficient, but in order to have this we have to have people design the computers, build the computers, code the software, teach us how to use it, and then an IT department to keep it all up and running.

Sure, eventually we will have burgers and food created on location by a robot. But we will need someone to design these robots, build them, program them, and the maintain them, etc. Less and less people will work in industry service jobs, and more people will work in technology jobs. At the same time people will be willing to pay more to have food prepared by a person, and to be served by a person.
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So far, computers cannot ask the questions -- only solve the logic instructed or the equations given. Creative is the only human element that cannot (so far) be replaced. One robot could make another robot of given design or repair his robot "brother" with instructions after a diagnostic.

I don't know, if even with advanced AI, that a robot could design a conceived concept. Ultimately, higher logic will continue to be the domain of humanoid 'meatbags'.

Does it take great mental capacity to decide whether or not to put 2 slices of tomato on a hamburger or only 1 slice? No.
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But when you are working a job that is designed to be the first "test" job of a person in high school to get their feet wet in the real world...that isn't worth $3 an hour.
But they have entry level jobs that pay very, very well. I used to work at the phone company an entry level job was paying $18/hour - and that was in 1992.
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Does it take great mental capacity to decide whether or not to put 2 slices of tomato on a hamburger or only 1 slice? No.
Let's parse this out just for the hell of it.

1) You'd have to know what tomatoes taste like.

2) You'd have to smell the tomatoes, and squeeze them a bit, to know how ripe they are.

3) You'd have to know how much less katsup​ to put on the burger related to how many slices are on the burger and how ripe the tomatoe is.

4) 2 thin slices for a less ripe tomatoe.

5) One thick slice for a riper tomatoe.

6) A riper tomatoe is gonna have more juice so you'll have to pat it down a bit on a paper towel first otherwise it will get the bun all soggy.

7) If the tomatoe is smaller you'll want thicker slices than you would a larger tomatoe.

There's more but I'm bored of this , it seems more complicated than at first look
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All USA fast food chains in Australia seem to make healthy profits, min wage here is closer to 20 USD a hour.

Read up on some 19-20 century articles on the fear of the industrial revolution, sure it came and a lot lost their jobs, but they adapted and the world moved forward. Tasks that took people days, like clothes washing now happen at the click of a button.

I believe that robots will be able to do anything a human can faster and better, just like a washing machine. You'd be a fool to think otherwise.
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Robot order taker gets verbal customer input
$tomato0 'nothing specified (default)' = 1 slice
$tomato1 'extra tomato' = 2 slice
$tomato2 'no tomato' = 0 slice

order is transmitted to burger flipper robot to be processed as id=3455035635

all slices are 4mm

each added item is the same 0,1,2
it's a fast food burger not fine cuisine or subjective culinary art.

Robots won't spit on your food in malice either. In theory they could scan for foreign matter possibly -- metal definitely. Foreign organic material might be a problem to scan without eyesight. A robot might leak hydraulic fluid into the food before it shuts down with a malfunction -- shields have to be designed with safe drainage until a malfunction shutdown occurs.

So, you can see there are jobs for robotics design engineers and software programmers -- and for the foreseeable future robotics repair technicians.

What is more interesting is nonomedicine. Microscopic robots that can deliver services to humans by navigating the circulatory system and performing 'micro functions'.

In the next 20 years robots and drones will change the world we live in in many ways -- mostly good but some bad. Adapt or die ... UBI (universal basic income) is going to have to happen if we robotize. So, robots will pay taxes in some way.
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I am not sure how old you are, but they said this thirty years ago when I was first taking computer classes... This was back in the day of Lotus 1-2-3. They told us that the future workplace would be automated, and computers would do our jobs. This happened to a degree, but a the same time this created new jobs. Computers made our work easier and made us all more efficient, but in order to have this we have to have people design the computers, build the computers, code the software, teach us how to use it, and then an IT department to keep it all up and running.

Sure, eventually we will have burgers and food created on location by a robot. But we will need someone to design these robots, build them, program them, and the maintain them, etc. Less and less people will work in industry service jobs, and more people will work in technology jobs. At the same time people will be willing to pay more to have food prepared by a person, and to be served by a person.
I get what you are saying but some things are different now. I am in my mid 40's and when I was in high school they talked about how computers were going to take everyone's jobs. The difference between now and then is that the technology is now here or nearly here to actually do that. When I was a kid there were no cell phones, internet, shit we didn't even have cable TV. Now we have self-driving cars and robots that can make hamburgers.

I understand that people have always adapted and I think many of us will again. What I wonder about is what the breaking point is. Where do technology limits and automation collide? What I mean by that is: at what point does automation take away a lot of jobs, but technological advances don't replace them? I think in the not too far off future we may be in a situation where there simply are no longer enough jobs for everyone who wants one because of technology. What we do then will determine our future. Do we work hard to try to keep people involved in society, educating them and hoping they can make a contribution or do we end up with a big segment of the population that has no jobs, there are no jobs for them, and they live in squaller like a caste class?
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This is what happens when idiots DEMAND $15 an hour for a non-skill job meant for high school students
Many of us warned people in threads here on GFY that this would happen.
So now instead of having a low pay unskilled labor job...they will now have NO job
Do you really think that paying people a wage they can't live on is the solution?

How low should the wage be for people to compete with machines?
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I don't know but I assume it was pretty substantial. Vastly fewer errors and a huge uptick in productivity while getting rid of 85% of the workers is a recipe for bigger profits.
And will those companies pay higher taxes to support the growing numbers of poor people they create?
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The demand for a $15 minimum wage certainly helped move it along faster. Not too long ago when McDonald's was the focus of the minimum wage battle and the $15/hr number was floated out there McDonald's spoke out against it and started lobbying against it. Then they stopped all that and announced they were focusing their money, time, and effort into automation instead of fighting the minimum wage increase. If people are going to demand more to flip burgers, they will just buy a robot that can flip the burgers.
Don't expect it to stop at people who flip burgers. The fewer staff at the bottom, the fewer required in middle management. Robots don't need managers. That will have an effect of our sales.
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Not for those of us smart enough to inovate & create, there will always be a place for us, especially if things get out of hand, we'll creatively destroy and inovate the transition to a new beginning.
And who do you plan to sell to with so many unemployed thinking they can do your job?
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Hell, they wanted McDonalds to pay them $15 plus healthcare, etc. And of course you have to match FICA funds for taxes for your employees.

There is always two sides to this: The employee side and the owners side.

To me, an employee should only be paid what they are WORTH. That's how the market always has worked. Got a friend who is graduating with a masters degree in environmental science. Oil companies are lined up to hire him. Starting pay: $87 a fucking hour!!!

And that's just starting pay.
That's called SKILLED labor.

But when you are working a job that is designed to be the first "test" job of a person in high school to get their feet wet in the real world...that isn't worth $3 an hour.

The person taking your order on a stupid speaker? That can be replaced by an app and your smartphone.

in other words...if you want to work in a restaurant and make good money...you CAN. A real restaurant that is. Not fast food.
Will you pay more in taxes to boost the education budget?

The US is close to the point where the poor and low paid out number the rich. Then they vote for governments determined to balance the load. The top 20% can't rule if the other 80% get organised.
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I am not sure how old you are, but they said this thirty years ago when I was first taking computer classes... This was back in the day of Lotus 1-2-3. They told us that the future workplace would be automated, and computers would do our jobs. This happened to a degree, but a the same time this created new jobs. Computers made our work easier and made us all more efficient, but in order to have this we have to have people design the computers, build the computers, code the software, teach us how to use it, and then an IT department to keep it all up and running.

Sure, eventually we will have burgers and food created on location by a robot. But we will need someone to design these robots, build them, program them, and the maintain them, etc. Less and less people will work in industry service jobs, and more people will work in technology jobs. At the same time people will be willing to pay more to have food prepared by a person, and to be served by a person.
They said that new jobs would replace those in the auto industry, steel, ship building, clothing manufacturing. They were wrong.

People need managers, train, motivate, organise. That requires more people than those needed to design, build, program and maintain them. All that are being done by robots.
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I would refuse to go to a restaurant if it was automated with robots.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU&t=609s



The real problem is this.



Add globalisation with companies based in the Third world and the future for the first is bleak. Because your customers might also be based in the Third World, where your competitors are.



Where are those new jobs?
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And will those companies pay higher taxes to support the growing numbers of poor people they create?
I'm assuming they will pay as little taxes as they can legally get away with.
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Tube sites created new jobs and opportunities for pornographers. </sarcasm>

How does Robbie feel about being paid what he's worth when it comes to Tube sites?
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this, but not just for the US, it´s world wide & obviously most electronics, especially robots are from Japan. Other countries like Russia & most of the EU do follow after a few years, but I can imagine Dubai & the middle east pushing for this, to stay on top of the electronic gadgets.
When the self-driving truck becomes the norm....
It will officially be the beginning of the end.
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We should knock all bridges down to bring back jobs for people with sailing skills, so as they can sail us over to the other side for a small fee, boost up the ecomomy
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