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Old 06-02-2017, 09:39 AM   #101
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lol here is more they can start boycotting

1:livestock
Yes. The animals themselves and the way they are farmed + transportation are all big contributors to global warming. It's an issue that needs to be addressed.

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2:water heaters
3:fridges
4:hair dryers
5:dryers

10:baths
People can already do their part by buying "Energy Star" or other certified energy efficient devices.

If your electricity comes from hydro, solar, wind or nuclear, you're doing ok. If your electricity is coming from coal, you can pressure your local government to explore alternatives. You can even do like Rochard did and install solar panels.

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8:computers
9:cell phones
A big problem with a shit-ton of waste to be sure. You can help by buying computers from companies that have a good recycle program (Dell, Apple, etc).

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6:airplanes
Airplanes, like busses are already a very efficient way to get people from point A to point B. Being more efficient would be better for the planet and save the companies some money too.

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7:cars
Yes. If you need personal transportation, electric cars are the way to go. If you have to buy a gas car, look for a hybride. If you want a super-fast car, get a Tesla Model S.

If you want a V8 Sports car like a Camaro or Mustang, go for it.

Wait, what? Yes! Go for it. They're super fun to drive, and modern ones don't drink nearly as much gas as they used to, but still deliver 400+hp. I'm green, but fuck I love the new Camaros still. So knock yourself out.


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11:shopping bags
Plastic bags will be against the law here starting next year. So, yes.



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12:toilet paper
13:paper towels
Just buy recycled products.


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14:frozen foods
It's bad for you anyway.
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Old 06-02-2017, 09:41 AM   #102
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Like I said it was nothing but a political speech filled with alternate facts and bullshit to play to his base and keep them happy
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Old 06-02-2017, 09:43 AM   #103
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Good to see China stick to innovation.
They will soon be the #1 super power nation, while Dirty Don and his stupid followers are buried in further debt and pollution.
That's exactly right. Unfortunately, he won't believe it as long as he has 1 red-hat chanting his fucking ugly name.

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Old 06-02-2017, 10:13 AM   #104
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Old 06-02-2017, 10:27 AM   #105
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Here?s how much Exxon paid Republicans who urged Trump to ditch Paris climate deal:


A letter sent to the White House last week ? signed by 22 of the most conservative Republicans in the U.S. Senate ? rejected the overwhelming global scientific consensus behind climate change in favor of short-term economic growth.


Senator John Barrasso (R-Wyoming): $728,766


Senator Roy Blunt (R-Missouri): $1,143,574

Senator John Boozman (R-Arkansas): $281,352

Senator Thad Cochran (R-Mississippi): $462,890

Senator John Cornyn (R-Texas): $3,031,956


Senator Mike Crapo (R-Idaho): $440,937

Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas): $2,484,520

Senator Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming): $513,733

Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah): $772,179

Senator Mike Lee (R-Utah): $281,620

Senator Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky): $1,975,245

Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky): $286,465

Senator David Perdue (R-Georgia): $184,250

Senator Jim Risch (R-Idaho): $209,900

Senator Pat Roberts (R-Kansas): $817,150

Senator Mike Rounds (R-South Dakota): $204,900

Senator Tim Scott (R-South Carolina): $523,276

Senator Richard Shelby (R-Alabama): $532,846

Senator Luther Strange (R-Alabama): (NO DATA AVAILABLE)

Senator Thom Tillis (R-North Carolina): $263,400

Senator Roger Wicker (R-Mississippi): $686,876


Hereā??s how much Exxon paid Republicans who urged Trump to ditch Paris climate deal
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Old 06-02-2017, 10:31 AM   #106
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Plastic bags will be against the law here starting next year. So, yes.
What a dumb ass law this is.

They passed this here; I am not sure if it was a county thing or state thing. It's dumb. We go to the store, get plastic bags, and then reuse them - for lunches, picking up dog poo, bike trips, all kinds of things. Now instead I've paid god only knows how much for bags in the past year. They are $1 each. I try to keep them in my Jeep but every now and then I forget them.

No worries, however. Our local city passed a law bypassing the plastic ban law so stores can use plastic bags if they wish. So at least we have a source for plastic bags to use.
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Old 06-02-2017, 10:34 AM   #107
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Too much CO2 in the atmosphere, like too much Methane, traps heat. Our sun warms the planet and alot of that heat usually escapes back into space. Too much CO2, Methane, and other "green house gasses", trap that heat and reflect it back down, slowly but surely warming things up, hence less ice, more floods, worse weather, etc.
mark.

since you are a apparently a climate scientist, tell me why you did not mention the biggest green house gas that effects trapping heat? wouldnt that gas be the biggest problem?????????

do you even know what the biggest greenhouse gas is?

no going to google mark prince...

you have no idea. here's some help.

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Old 06-02-2017, 11:15 AM   #108
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Yes. The animals themselves and the way they are farmed + transportation are all big contributors to global warming. It's an issue that needs to be addressed.



People can already do their part by buying "Energy Star" or other certified energy efficient devices.

If your electricity comes from hydro, solar, wind or nuclear, you're doing ok. If your electricity is coming from coal, you can pressure your local government to explore alternatives. You can even do like Rochard did and install solar panels.



A big problem with a shit-ton of waste to be sure. You can help by buying computers from companies that have a good recycle program (Dell, Apple, etc).



Airplanes, like busses are already a very efficient way to get people from point A to point B. Being more efficient would be better for the planet and save the companies some money too.



Yes. If you need personal transportation, electric cars are the way to go. If you have to buy a gas car, look for a hybride. If you want a super-fast car, get a Tesla Model S.

If you want a V8 Sports car like a Camaro or Mustang, go for it.

Wait, what? Yes! Go for it. They're super fun to drive, and modern ones don't drink nearly as much gas as they used to, but still deliver 400+hp. I'm green, but fuck I love the new Camaros still. So knock yourself out.




Plastic bags will be against the law here starting next year. So, yes.





Just buy recycled products.




It's bad for you anyway.
Thank you for actually debating and discussing your point of view.

Mark i want you to read this quotes. What they are calling for is ridiculous. There is no way in hell you gonna eliminate green house gases like they are calling for. To do that you would have to kill off livestock, stop using every type of fertilizer they use for crops, stop cutting down trees just to begin with. Lets say every country meets there goals there is a 90% chance of exceeding 2°C


"Limiting warming 1.5°C above pre-industrial by 2100 means that the emissions of greenhouse gases need to be reduced rapidly in the coming years and decades, and brought to zero around mid-century"

"The emissions pledge pathway that includes INDCs has aover 90% probability of exceeding 2°C, and only a ?likely? (>66%) chance of remaining below 3°C this century. The current policy pathways have a higher than 99.5% probability of exceeding 2°C."

"The IPCC AR5 shows that even starting from emission levels implied by INDCs and current policy projections, 1.5°C and 2°C pathways are still technically feasible."

Global Temperatures - Climate Action Tracker


Assessment

"We continue to rate Canada?s Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC) ?inadequate.? Under its current policies, Canada will miss both its 2020 pledge and its 2030 NDC targets by a wide margin." Canada - Climate Action Tracker
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mark.

since you are a apparently a climate scientist, tell me why you did not mention the biggest green house gas that effects trapping heat? wouldnt that gas be the biggest problem?????????

do you even know what the biggest greenhouse gas is?

no going to google mark prince...

you have no idea. here's some help.

you are so fucking dumb that you do not even seem to know HOW steam develop.

did you ever hear that it is from water what is bevomming HOTTER you moron ?

and HOT oceans do not only produce steam - they also producing the hurricans what hopefully blow you away next time.
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I actually skip my usual afternoon sitcom block these days, and get all my laughs from CNN lately. Maybe Zucker is a genius after all.
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What a dumb ass law this is.

They passed this here; I am not sure if it was a county thing or state thing. It's dumb. We go to the store, get plastic bags, and then reuse them - for lunches, picking up dog poo, bike trips, all kinds of things. Now instead I've paid god only knows how much for bags in the past year. They are $1 each. I try to keep them in my Jeep but every now and then I forget them.
I agree, its a dumb law. Like you, I re-use plastic bags before finally putting them in the recycle bin.

There was a study, I forget where, that showed in place where plastic bags were no longer offered at grocery stores, people just bought plastic bags anyway.
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I was in Holland and didn't get a plastic bag. They can'toffer them to you, but when you ask you can buy them.


Tesla the solution? But what is the carbon footprint of a Tesla...

Imagine 9 billion people will ride them in 2030, the world would look like a coal mine:
https://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas...t-green-think/
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So much HATE from the Libs........ Peace and Love right?
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You are an idiot, it is the same mountain.

Mount Kilimanjaro- Tanzania - TravelZenith

So the rest of the shit you posted is probably fake.


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It's not the same mountain bro you were duped.








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You are an idiot, it is the same mountain.

Mount Kilimanjaro- Tanzania - TravelZenith

So the rest of the shit you posted is probably fake.
well google "top of killimanjaro" LOL it is well known for it volcanic cones they even have names LOL
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yes, throwing taxpayers' money at something always solves everything.
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yes, throwing taxpayers' money at something always solves everything.
They'll use it to fund a temperature switch on the Sun
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yes, throwing taxpayers' money at something always solves everything.
it will not be your tax what is been invested for it - it is our tax and the money what smart people will spend to keep the planet clean.

but you should make yourself aware that you breathe OUR air from now on.
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but you should make yourself aware that you breathe OUR air from now on.
Actually UK/Ireland gets the fresh clean Atlantic air first, contaminates it, then it blows across mainland Europe for you guys to enjoy

Last time I went to Paris is was so thick with pollution, I'll think twice before going there again.
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but what if the science is not real and we make a better and cleaner world for nothing?

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it will not be your tax what is been invested for it - it is our tax and the money what smart people will spend to keep the planet clean.

but you should make yourself aware that you breathe OUR air from now on.
you're a smart guy, and make lots of good points, but I can't talk to someone with your (our) level of language barrier, nor someone who gets as emotive as you do for more than 5 minutes per month or so.

ps

a) I'm from the UK

b) not wanting to spend billions on a cash-grab doesn't mean not wanting to live cleaner, or saying 'fuck the planet' or whatever it is the emotional far-lefties seem to think anyone who doesn't agree with throwing fucktons of money at every problem means.

Shift money from weapons to 'green', cut down bureaucratic waste, do xyz... don't just add more shit every time, and cry "I'm smart" - you end up running out of other peoples' money and/or creating situations where people feel their best option is to elect Trump.
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