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Old 05-18-2017, 10:28 AM   #1
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how to fight negative seo spamms against my website

I get many spammy 404 error links to my websites from different strange places,
not only 404, but spammy too
tons of spamm

links from blogs, expired domains, Quttera, chinese search engines etc etc

my ranking goes down, i don't do any blackhat seo

how can i prevent this?

its someone from my competition probably

i have idea
maybe i will redirect all these non exisiting links, or existing (i will change site structure) to my google competition?? hmm
i set 301 redirect traffic for all incoming spammy traffic to top google sites?


i'm pissed of


disavow takes months to recover

the only thing i can do, is redirect this shit back to my competition via 301 redirects
probably innocent sites get hit, but, as i said above, i'm pissed off

i cant do anything other for prevent this
or maybe do you have any idea?
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The quality and quantity of your content updates will determine your search engine rank. So one of two things has happened. Either the quality and quantity of your content updates has decreased or your competition has stepped up their game.

Don't blame the backlinks. Backlinks only strengthen your domain authority.

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so, external spammy links to my internal pages do not matter?
and links to pages which not exist?

are you sure?
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so, external spammy links to my internal pages do not matter?
and links to pages which not exist?

are you sure?
Google will not penalize you for websites that link to you. You cannot control who links to you.

Google will penalize you if you link to a bad website from your site. That is under your control.

If you need more domain authority to rank better for your keywords, get more back links to pages within your domain. That will strengthen your domain Authority.
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You could rewrite to a 403 the bad links with a page error -- google analytics would never record the links
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You could rewrite to a 403 the bad links with a page error -- google analytics would never record the links
True, but problem is if they are already recorded google will keep scream how there is error.
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I caught something interesting in wordfence a couple weeks back. Another affiliate of the same program was pushing links to our site using our domain name and his affiliate code.

Meaning he was making wordfence think someone was looking for a page on our site with his code.

Found out he's doing it to a bunch of big sites as well.
When you put our/their domain and his affiliate code into search, the program sites and his sites show up. Ours are not present at all.

Now of course who would do that? Well, he is. Strange serps can be manipulated so.
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Just curious. If someone contacted you saying they were going to send some shit backlinks to your site. How much would you pay this person, to not do that?
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:53 AM   #9
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Just simply disavow them.
It works great in my experience!
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Just simply disavow them.
It works great in my experience!
the disavow tool was started to make you do the job of Google. They are using you into betraying your colleagues, because there is no way you can know if the site you are disavowing is doing you harm or was hacked itself. You just can't be 100% sure.

Even though I have had websites that had many shitty incoming links and sunk in the SERPS, i never, ever used the disavow tool. I refused to do the dirty work for the Google masters like a low life informant. The disavow tool is disgusting.
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:41 AM   #11
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The quality and quantity of your content updates will determine your search engine rank. So one of two things has happened. Either the quality and quantity of your content updates has decreased or your competition has stepped up their game.

Don't blame the backlinks. Backlinks only strengthen your domain authority.

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Not true. You can definitly get a penalty for spammy backlinks.
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You can and do get penalties and lower ranking from spammy backlinks.

I have the same issue. Hundreds of thousands of spammy links from .ru sites linking to me.

The disavow tool is not something most SEO websites suggest using as it may do more harm than good, if it even works at all.

I'm not sure what can help to be honest, I've yet to read any article or forum post from a trusted source that offers solid advice.
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If you can drill down to their IP's, or their CDIR range, you could blacklist the IP's requests at the server's firewall (iptables or ufw) -- drop their connections -- 'go stealth'. You need root access to the server to do this. To them you are offline. If they move to another IP you would have to do it again.
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Do you see links in search console from clones of your sites on other domains? Google just whacked one of my sites, I think because .pl .ru clone sites with 100k+ links back to my site.
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the disavow tool was started to make you do the job of Google. They are using you into betraying your colleagues, because there is no way you can know if the site you are disavowing is doing you harm or was hacked itself. You just can't be 100% sure.

Even though I have had websites that had many shitty incoming links and sunk in the SERPS, i never, ever used the disavow tool. I refused to do the dirty work for the Google masters like a low life informant. The disavow tool is disgusting.
You should check your backlinks carefully to pick up the bad ones and disavow them. Do not tough good ones!
The important thing is how you figure out if a link is good or bad ;)
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Google has three options. Don't know if any of them are good or effective.
  1. Black Hat SEO Reporting
  2. SPAM reporting
  3. Disavow

Has anyone used the black hat or spam reporting tools?
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Do you see links in search console from clones of your sites on other domains? Google just whacked one of my sites, I think because .pl .ru clone sites with 100k+ links back to my site.
Same here .... 400+ k links from .ru clones.

I'm still getting google traffic but since those clones appeared it's been cut in half.
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Same here .... 400+ k links from .ru clones.

I'm still getting google traffic but since those clones appeared it's been cut in half.
Do you see any clone net, org, com sites? Starting to see guys cloning paysites as well.
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Google has three options. Don't know if any of them are good or effective.
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Has anyone used the black hat or spam reporting tools?
I wouldn't report anything to Google even if they paid me. Fuck them
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I hears ya. So what are options?
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I hears ya. So what are options?
Keep building your site, update regularly and build good links. That's it. Do this for years, not a month and quit, but all the time. You'll get crazy from it and you're gonna absolutely hate it, but you will eventually come out among the top serps.

All those outside influences are too many and once you concentrate on all of those things you cannot control yourself, you'll get very, very frustrated. Ignore it and keep building.

Edit: To keep your sanity DO NOT EVER listen to google. They want https? Fuck that, do your own thing. They say 'linkbuilding doesnt work'? Fuck them, they are bullshitting you. Disavow tool? Bullshit, just a way to put people to work for them and snitch on colleagues.
Everything they say is bullshit. Ignore them and keep your sanity.
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Exactly .... who knows what would happen if you brought attention to your site. Especially if it's an adult site.
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Do you see any clone net, org, com sites? Starting to see guys cloning paysites as well.
Here's what i see:

hystoretechnologies.com (Cyprus) - 212,000 backlinks
domain.pl (redirects to a dating lander) - 532,000 backlinks
http://www.oletravel.net/ (site down) - 125,000 backlinks

Plus lots more .pl and .ru and .eu ... many of them clones that redirect to a dating offer.

I'd say I have over 1 million + of those spammy backlinks. My traffic started tanking since the beginning of May but I can't be 100% sure it's because of these links.
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Keep building your site, update regularly and build good links. That's it. Do this for years, not a month and quit, but all the time. You'll get crazy from it and you're gonna absolutely hate it, but you will eventually come out among the top serps.

All those outside influences are too many and once you concentrate on all of those things you cannot control yourself, you'll get very, very frustrated. Ignore it and keep building.

Edit: To keep your sanity DO NOT EVER listen to google. They want https? Fuck that, do your own thing. They say 'linkbuilding doesnt work'? Fuck them, they are bullshitting you. Disavow tool? Bullshit, just a way to put people to work for them and snitch on colleagues.
Everything they say is bullshit. Ignore them and keep your sanity.
This is pretty much my strategy.

Do what you need to do to build a great site that surfers will like and want to come back to. Get 'quality' backlinks only and never mind anything else you have no control over.

Oh, and yeah, as long as you're not doing anything spammy yourself, don't listen to google.
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Keep building your site, update regularly and build good links. That's it. Do this for years, not a month and quit, but all the time. You'll get crazy from it and you're gonna absolutely hate it, but you will eventually come out among the top serps.

All those outside influences are too many and once you concentrate on all of those things you cannot control yourself, you'll get very, very frustrated. Ignore it and keep building.

Edit: To keep your sanity DO NOT EVER listen to google. They want https? Fuck that, do your own thing. They say 'linkbuilding doesnt work'? Fuck them, they are bullshitting you. Disavow tool? Bullshit, just a way to put people to work for them and snitch on colleagues.
Everything they say is bullshit. Ignore them and keep your sanity.
Good points. All believable. Google has a tendency to say one thing and do another.

Still, we have one program, usually 60-70 joins per month. Membership site. Guaranteed 1:200 ratios. Now 19 sales, 1:348. Increasing traffic push.
Its war.
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russians have network of high google positioned sites

i bet they do this spammy shit against fair competition
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Here's what i see:

hystoretechnologies.com (Cyprus) - 212,000 backlinks
domain.pl (redirects to a dating lander) - 532,000 backlinks
http://www.oletravel.net/ (site down) - 125,000 backlinks

Plus lots more .pl and .ru and .eu ... many of them clones that redirect to a dating offer.

I'd say I have over 1 million + of those spammy backlinks. My traffic started tanking since the beginning of May but I can't be 100% sure it's because of these links.
Sounds like that shit isn't helping. We noticed all kinds of crazy shit starting when the router bot network was in full swing. Now its clones. WTF?
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Welcome to the dark underbelly of the Internet ...

Use the 403 on a junk domain with a 301 of the bad refer in a rewrite. The only problem is volume and server load caused ... Google will only get the 301 and the 403 error will be on the domain you don't care about. The URL with the valid path and variables will resolve and be available to Googlebot.
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Not true. You can definitly get a penalty for spammy backlinks.
Absolutly true
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I get many spammy 404 error links to my websites from different strange places,
not only 404, but spammy too
tons of spamm

links from blogs, expired domains, Quttera, chinese search engines etc etc

my ranking goes down, i don't do any blackhat seo

how can i prevent this?

its someone from my competition probably

i have idea
maybe i will redirect all these non exisiting links, or existing (i will change site structure) to my google competition?? hmm
i set 301 redirect traffic for all incoming spammy traffic to top google sites?


i'm pissed of


disavow takes months to recover

the only thing i can do, is redirect this shit back to my competition via 301 redirects
probably innocent sites get hit, but, as i said above, i'm pissed off

i cant do anything other for prevent this
or maybe do you have any idea?
1) Are you currenyly throwing a 404 error page on those bad links?

2) What pattern do you see in the URL structure of the links they're sending you?

i.e.

mydomain/1/2/3/badlink.html
mydomain/3/4/4/badlink.html
mydomain/1/random.html
mydomain/random/badlink.html
mydomain/random/random.html
mydomain/?s=random
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Edit: To keep your sanity DO NOT EVER listen to google. They want https? Fuck that, do your own thing. They say 'linkbuilding doesnt work'? Fuck them, they are bullshitting you. Disavow tool? Bullshit, just a way to put people to work for them and snitch on colleagues.
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1) Are you currenyly throwing a 404 error page on those bad links?

2) What pattern do you see in the URL structure of the links they're sending you?

i.e.

mydomain/1/2/3/badlink.html
mydomain/3/4/4/badlink.html
mydomain/1/random.html
mydomain/random/badlink.html
mydomain/random/random.html
mydomain/?s=random
I have over 1 million spammy links pointing at just one domain. Won't using a 404 be too much of a load like Barry-x is talking about above?
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I have over 1 million spammy links pointing at just one domain. Won't using a 404 be too much of a load like Barry-x is talking about above?
The real problem is it seems this has been happening awhile and you haven't caught on until the traffic drop trigger right? So lesson learned to keep an eye out.

Have you seen a rise in rankings over the last year, then a drop? The reason I ask is because some of the links on some of those domains might be helping you and any action on your part could cause a drop in rankings no matter what you do.

Example: oletravel.net w/ 125k backlinks to you is offline, your rankings are down, they could have been helping you.

I asked about the patterns in their links to you for a reason, you have certain options if their link patterns contain non existent subdirectories on your site, if they're really serious/or knowledgeable about damaging you this will be the case.

If you're worried about server load get cloudflare and use their custom 404 page option and add your home page code there or a nice keyword rich link to your homepage.

Disavow the domains, not individual urls, and send to Google ASAP

domain:oletravel.net
domain:hystoretechnologies.com

Disavowing a full domain goes through quick, a couple weeks or less, and enough submissions from others and Google penalized the bad domain, that's why Nico-T says not to report! (JK ).

There are tons of other options and someone will always disagree or have a better way but if you're stressed and are low on server resources follow what I said above as your first steps .

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The real problem is it seems this has been happening awhile and you haven't caught on until the traffic drop trigger right? So lesson learned to keep an eye out.

Have you seen a rise in rankings over the last year, then a drop? The reason I ask is because some of the links on some of those domains might be helping you and any action on your part could cause a drop in rankings no matter what you do.

Example: oletravel.net w/ 125k backlinks to you is offline, your rankings are down, they could have been helping you.

I asked about the patterns in their links to you for a reason, you have certain options if their link patterns contain non existent subdirectories on your site, if they're really serious/or knowledgeable about damaging you this will be the case.

If you're worried about server load get cloudflare and use their custom 404 page option and add your home page code there or a nice keyword rich link to your homepage.

Disavow the domains, not individual urls, and send to Google ASAP

domain:oletravel.net
domain:hystoretechnologies.com

Disavowing a full domain goes through quick, a couple weeks or less, and enough submissions from others and Google penalized the bad domain, that's why Nico-T says not to report! (JK ).

There are tons of other options and someone will always disagree or have a better way but if you're stressed and are low on server resources follow what I said above as your first steps .

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horrible advice. You are doing googles job. Google is smart enough to not let those domains count. I've experienced this first hand. Some sites of mine were hit hard some time ago, and even i hesitated 'should i use the disavow tool'? I never did and eventually my sites came back.

That tool is there to take advantage of desperate webmasters.

Leave it. Hang in there. Google doesn't need you to report sites, they use you.

Keep building and don't ever get in that luring bed with the devil
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horrible advice. You are doing googles job. Google is smart enough to not let those domains count. I've experienced this first hand. Some sites of mine were hit hard some time ago, and even i hesitated 'should i use the disavow tool'? I never did and eventually my sites came back.

That tool is there to take advantage of desperate webmasters.

Leave it. Hang in there. Google doesn't need you to report sites, they use you.

Keep building and don't ever get in that luring bed with the devil
Spoken like a true blackhat

Like a car thief telling people not to report car thefts
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:08 PM   #37
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Do what blade wire mention. Create Pages for every error requested. That way the spider will not stop and file reports for missing pages... instead, it will visit your domain and you can point it to your best content.
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The real problem is it seems this has been happening awhile and you haven't caught on until the traffic drop trigger right? So lesson learned to keep an eye out.

Have you seen a rise in rankings over the last year, then a drop? The reason I ask is because some of the links on some of those domains might be helping you and any action on your part could cause a drop in rankings no matter what you do.

Example: oletravel.net w/ 125k backlinks to you is offline, your rankings are down, they could have been helping you.

I asked about the patterns in their links to you for a reason, you have certain options if their link patterns contain non existent subdirectories on your site, if they're really serious/or knowledgeable about damaging you this will be the case.

If you're worried about server load get cloudflare and use their custom 404 page option and add your home page code there or a nice keyword rich link to your homepage.

Disavow the domains, not individual urls, and send to Google ASAP

domain:oletravel.net
domain:hystoretechnologies.com

Disavowing a full domain goes through quick, a couple weeks or less, and enough submissions from others and Google penalized the bad domain, that's why Nico-T says not to report! (JK ).

There are tons of other options and someone will always disagree or have a better way but if you're stressed and are low on server resources follow what I said above as your first steps .

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Thanks for the advice and write up. The problem of the spammy backlinks has been going on awhile but I'm not completely certain it is the cause of the traffic drop. I'm not saying it isn't just that I'm not 100% convinced.

Google should know a clone when it sees one. It's an obvious blackhat trick that their also should easily be able to screen out - if we here talk about it freely and know all about clones then so do they.

I believe google looks at traffic TOS and bounce rate and surfer metrics and values them more than backlinks, especially spammy ones. That's why I'm reluctant to use the disavow tool. I've been reading about other people's thoughts and experiences on it and none of them were ever favorable.

I guess it would be nice if google came out and told us not to worry about negative seo and spammy links ... the same way they tell us not to build links of any kind. I don't trust them enough.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:41 PM   #39
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we have two options

add 301 rewrite rule in apache or nginx, or just include particular urls to rewrite or just convert all 404 erorrs to 301 redirects

and redirect this shit somewhere

question is

where we should redirect it

imho the safest way is redirect it out of your domain
google index only final destination of 301 redirect

everything between spammy page and destination is just a neutral bridge (in theory)

so make such bridge in your domain, and get this shit out of your website (to your competition, for example )


or.. second option

create doorway page with links to your website, as bladewire advised, but i think it is too risky
i don't think its a good idea, spammers do this way and they take the risk of google punishment
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Like a car thief telling people not to report car thefts
Cops have better things to do than bust criminals.
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Disavow tool is yet powerfull but also dangerous if you use it wrong.

99% off all .ru .pl domains can be blocked.
If you are not sure, simply use tools as semrush to check the domain.

Also block all the chinese mofos that that have been born lately. See .ml .gq .tk .cf .ga
This list is only from past 24 hours.
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there is no way you can know if the site you are disavowing is doing you harm or was hacked itself. You just can't be 100% sure.
So what? It's the responsibility of the site owner to protect his site from being hacked. If other people getting fucked because of neglecting webmasters.... fuck em... and report...
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Same here .... 400+ k links from .ru clones.

I'm still getting google traffic but since those clones appeared it's been cut in half.
I am seeing exactly same thing. 15th traffic normal in search console, 17th traffic halved, and it was a big amount.
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Spoken like a true blackhat

Like a car thief telling people not to report car thefts
weird conclusion, never did anything blackhat.
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You need a service like moz or ahref to analyze your domain backlink profile and disavow them in Google webmaster tool. Disavow tool is the one you need to block spammy link which effecting your website ranking specially these .ru, .pl , .cn , .club etc
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