mce

Does it matter all that much?

What other factors play into success besides raw intelligence?

How big of an impact does RESILIENCY and VERSATILITY have?

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For example,Mongolia has an average IQ of 102. Is it a global economic superpower? Is it even in the top 10?

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Indeed. IQ is very big factor, like in Emperor's case.

kane

I think it plays a role in individual success. As for an entire nation? Well, that depends on a lot of other things including what type of natural resources that nation has, it's population size, where it is, etc.

Smarter people will typically pursue jobs that require more intelligence and therefore make more money. You still have to have drive and the willingness to work hard, but you also have to be smart enough to quickly learn things as well as learn from your mistakes.

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I guess OP might have a modest IQ to ask this type of question

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It could also very well be that SMART PEOPLE hold each other down. Kind of like crabs in a barrel?

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I don't know about that. In my experience, not so smart people do that all the time. I have worked some shitty jobs when I was younger and saw people who could barely write a coherent sentence backstabbing each other for a promotion that would give them 20 cents an hour more.

I know smart people are competitive and they do screw each other over, but those that get screwed over are smart enough to figure out other avenues to success. Again, though, it all comes down to drive and desire. I know a few very smart people who are very lazy and are barely getting by.

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mce

Fascinating. But don't you think higher IQ people would be more cunning... and less obvious. So they can get away with more stuff behind the scenes?

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IQ is no substitute for street smarts.

nico-t

Gspotproductions are Mensa members.

So no.

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You can't ask that seriously ...

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The simple simple answer to this question would be "It has a huge impact." But then again there's a difference between IQ and intelligence. Intelligence is a general term that refers to a natural ability with which you have been born with. Whereas IQ measures the mathematical and logical powers of an individual. Based on what I know there are 8 types of intelligence - spatial, bodily-kinesthetic, musical, linguistic, logical-mathematical, interpersonal, intrapersonal, naturalistic. Taking all this into consideration I can assume your innate intelligence plays a huge role in achieving success but along the way there are other factors.

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Success is a pretty subjective term. Some of you in here referred to having a good job as being successful, and that may be true to a point, but I see someone who runs an ongoing operation with many others and able to pay them for it as successful myself. That being said IQ has almost no impact on that after a certain level. Obviously if someone is sub 100 they wont be able to organize much, someone else will have to run it for them and i don't think that is what we are talking about here. I also believe a high iq can also get in the way of someones success for a number of reasons. Generally people with extremely high iq's have serious psychological problems that inhibit them from anything close to success. Not because they are far ahead of everyone else, but because they are too focused on that one thing or many things they are trying to figure out and lack a particular social ability to build up anything involving running a business. It think they can be capable of many important things, capable of inspiring creations but they will never be ceo, they will never be Bill Gates. Bill Gates will take their idea and build an empire, Edison will take Tesla's ideas and become one of the pioneers of the industrial revolution while Tesla dies broke and alone.

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More important in success is common sense, vision and a decent business mindset. Over the years, I have met many highly academic people and they are fucking clueless.

kane

I'm sure there are plenty of ways smart people screw each other over in the workplace and they very well may be more cunning. In theory, if you have a higher paying, more difficult job and you want to screw someone over in the office so you can get ahead you would likely have to be smarter and more cunning than just a guy starting rumors in a warehouse to screw over his co-worker.

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Certainly being smart helps but the single most important factor in success I feel is the willingness to keep trying in the face of failure. Another important one is people skills, either to attract customers or keep employees movitated and working. Higher than average IQ, would be down on the list a bit after creativity and a few others.

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You understand that 100 is average by definition and 2 points is not statistically significant?

The measurements are also more accurate in certain populations where the testing was developed, as cultural factors can skew results.

What is your definition of success? Need that to answer the question.

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Not as much as ICQ.

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First...
It has been proven that the most successful folks are more practiced at the art of deception.

That said, success has nothing generally to do with IQ. But it can't hurt.
IQ is a incomplete measurement the way it is obtained.

Fundamental evaluation in analytical thinking is the best trait to have.
BUT... Fate can limit even the greatest of minds.

But having a well practiced thinking process takes experience. It can not be taught .
Add to that root traits of persistence and daring and you have a winning combo.

Problem solving skills are a pretty good insight to Real IQ.

You can quote me on that.... ...LOL

TheSquealer

i would guess that high IQ has a stronger correlation with making fewer shitty life choices than making a lot of money.

most don't equate money to success in life, highly intelligent people,.. even less so. thats a low IQ perception.

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IQ tests are accurate in some ways and highly INaccurate in others*. For example, the baseball player Yogi Berra would probably score an 80 on your standard IQ test based solely on his malapropisms and verbal dyslexia. But the man was incredibly wise, insightful and intelligent. In fact, I'd rather listen to Yogi Berra than most "geniuses".

Actually I've met many, many intelligent people in life with high IQs who made the shittiest life choices imaginable. Drugs, dysfunctional relationships, bad career moves, on and on. In fact, if you compare them to the other end of the intelligence spectrum (i.e., blithering idiots) they probably have about the same amount of problems albeit champagne ones. The people in the middle, the so-so smarties, they seem to have less "issues".


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you're talking about dysfunctional individuals.... not a general societal trend. and to your point, i would argue that those "people in the middle" on the whole are much more intelligent than those further down the scale... which was my point. being more intelligent doesn't necessarily equate to less success, i would argue it generally equates to less failure. lets not pretend that the millions in lines in section 8 offices or those with EBT cards or local jails are packed with Mensa members ;)

mce

Apparently, there's a strong link between median IQ and a country's wealth

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nico-t

everyone on the internet who mentions their IQ scores on some test seems to be a genius when Gspot says her and her suitcase pimp should be in Mensa because of their high IQ's.... I'm sorry but i'm taking people who post their supposed IQs, which always seems to be (surprisingly!) around the Einstein level, out of some amateuristic test with a boatload of salt

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Been obsessed with this dude lately... i have a hard time finding any holes in what he talks about.

Jordan Peterson – How High IQ affects success in life
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determination and charisma, character & ambition make success in a business. Of course, a higher IQ, more intelligent decisions can be made and created to make more success.

the genius is most for the idea, the practicality & the creativity

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It is the most important trait. You can try and redefine to make yourself feel better but I find it is very rare that you meet successful people who are not smart.

Mickey_

Beyond a certain threshold, not as much as most people think.

In fact blind naivete, in some cases, can lead to success by allowing the person to be the one to walk the path 99 others avoided because logic lead them to believe it would be the wrong one.

Grit and persistence are much more important.

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TheSquealer

when it comes to skilled performance over the span of decades (doctor, scientist, tennis player, musician etc), study after study after study has shown that IQ only plays a minor role at a young age with only a small correlation to success in developing a skill and is proven time and time again to be a non-factor as time wears on - where learning via experience takes over. and that assumes the learning is done by someone who is trying to learn and improve, where in most cases performance in a given skill, generally declines over time for most people.... as it takes ~10 years for learned information/skills to become permanently encoded and stored in the brain in a permanent, unalterable manner. (note: your memories aren't as faithful as you believe they are and most are actually quite wrong or even entirely false confabulations) so if you graduate from med school, anything which you aren't forced to recall since med school will ultimately be either too fragmented and wrong or completely forgotten. your most and broadest knowledge on medicine will only be at the time of study and decline rapidly from there with the exception of what you specialize in.

We all learn the same regardless of IQ. A smart person isn't going to learn to race a motorcycle any faster than a dumb person. At the end of the day, the one most determined to both learn, improve and succeed will be successful.

as i've said many times, there is no correlation between intelligence and chess grandmasters. the only a small correlation between IQ and skill in a very young chess players skill. that won't determine at all where he ends up and what level of skill he achieves

TheSquealer

correlation is not causation.

you could substitute "IQ" in his video with "great two parent families with a healthy, loving, supportive and stable relationship" and lead to all the same results and predictions about the future outcomes of children with regard to success, overall health, education, stable relationships, longevity etc etc etc.

the damage which an unstable home and unstable parents do to a developing brain is immense both in its initial scope and tends as well as the subsequent life trajectory and consequences which occur as a result.