just a punk

Don't know about Lada, but Norwegian cars are very popular here in Russia

So here we go again. We have no rebels in Russia. Those were the Ukrainian ones, not ours. They are Ukrainian citizens. Course if you don't mean the ethnicity. Ethnically every native Ukrainian is Russian, that's true...

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Sarn

i mean, we have no human losses on this accident with our ship. For me it is better.

just a punk

We don't, but America still continues losing people: Five sailors injured, 10 missing after U.S. Navy destroyer collides with a merchant ship - The Washington Post

According to the news, their destroyers get destroyed too often by Asians... The previous incident was just 2 months ago.

As you say, comrade.

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crockett

The US is always out in the open when our troops get killed unless it's some covert op.

Russia on the other hand makes their troops remove their Id when sending to fight in Ukraine and often hides the body count in Syria..

The simple fact is troops die every day be it in action, accidents or natural causes..

just a punk

I don't think they hide the information about killed troops in Syria. They hide personal info of course for the soldiers privacy, but they regularly post how many and where were killed (it's here in Russia - I don't know what the US media says about it). The Ukraine is a way different story. The Russian troops are fighting there illegally. It's something that you call "some covert op".

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Bladewire

Russian soldiers are forced to hide ID while fighting in Ukraine to hide the fact they invaded the Ukraine and are fighting against it's citizens.

Putin is a greedy liar & a cheating thief.

just a punk

You should read this: Covert operation - Wikipedia

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BaldBastard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleig...lass_destroyer

How does a US$1.843 billion military vessel that can travel at 30haknots hit a 600 ft long and 100ft wide tanker ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alnic_MC


Did they not see it or something? And Trump wants to take on NK which has nukes?

America... please.... yes you are the greatest!! just stay at home ok.

crockett

Russia was sending hundreds of soldiers to Syria early on as "contractors" and they hid the death tolls and hid where they died from their families.

just a punk

What sources told you so? Russia really has a lot of contractors (and w/o quotes) there, but speaking about 100's of dead is a bullshit of course and surely their families know where exactly their members were killed. That's not some kind of a covert op. War in Syria is a legal mission (the Russian army was officially invited by the government) and it's well covered in the Russian news. To say better it's always a news #1 on TV with live reports from the battle field etc. There is no need to hide anything about it. It's not a war on the Ukraine.

One more thing about contractors. There is no need to use a draft army there and there is no secret on who fights there. All those guys are professionals (they are get paid for their job) and they don't even hide their faces and names (no reason for that):

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Sarn

Stealth regime on their ships works well. But navigation does not work then

just a punk

Блин, вот только что смотрел док. фильм про солдат Вермахта

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Sarn

Этим тоже не сиделось в свое время))

just a punk

Ну так же, как и нашим сейчас. Там тоже был свой Крым (Чехословакия и "защита" немцев от чехобандеровцев). Потом раздел Польши, которую Гитлер распилил на двоих со Сталиным. Гитлер, как и наш современный фюрер тоже тогда возомнил себя геополитическим стратегом. Он, как и Путин, исповедовал идеи фашизма. Правда у Гитлера фашизм был строщен с антисемитизмом и назывался нацизмом, а у нас фашизм классический по лекалам Муссолини. Для Германии кончилось все плачевно тогда. Но у нас есть шанс. Путин гораздо старше тогдашнего Гитлера и есть шанс, что он склеит ласты естественным путем до того, как ебнется окончательно и угробит страну под корень.

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klinton

its amazing how all dictators and wannabe dictators have one thing in common - inferority complex because of their short height...take Hitler, Napoleon, Stalin, Putin..and few others

Sarn

Я за конструктивную критику, но ты же реально лепишь чушь причем скопом.
"Он как гитлер" и начинают плакать.

klinton

lol...sadly so true....
despite what they say though , they are actually biggest friends of Putin & co in my opinion its the same bunch of criminals that bases their power on fear &, xenophobia and bad type of nationalism..and on top of that, they are not mentally sane, so...
but i guess that every nation gets what it deserves, politicians are only representations of the nation

klinton

crockett

Here I always thought it was bad hair...

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Sarn

Jedem das Seine

just a punk

А в чем чушь-то? Маленький лысый фюрер с империалистическими амбициями. Или тебе еще объяснить на пальцах, почему я использовал слово фашизм? Вот тут я рекомендую ознакомится с "Доктриной Фашизма" (она же "Доктрина Абсолютного Государства") Муссолини - гугли русский перевод Новикова от 10 июня 1938 года. Там совершенно все те же лозунги, что втирают нам всякие киселевы, соловьевы и т.п. Вот абсолютно те же самые. Типа "ты для Родины, а не Родина для тебя", "сплотимся вокруг национального лидера" (затянем пояса типа, ага), "либерализм чужд нашей культуре". Ну и все в том же духе. Лично я (как несложно догадаться) не сторонник фашизма и считаю его злом. Поэтому меня очень сильно напрягает слышать те же лозунги в современной России.

(с) Дутче

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klinton

I really dont understand you. You should listen to the Kisielov and get huge patriotic boner like (many) Russians do have.

klinton

you still dont get it, do you ?

Sarn

Да в том что за яйца притянуть пытаются одно к другому причем часто к явно противоположному. Типо "Суверенной демократии" или "Госкапитализма" .
"ты для Родины, а не Родина для тебя" это известное выражение Д. Кеннеди он тоже фошизд?

Sarn

I am got it. I even had agreed with you with the part which I quote

just a punk

Ну он явно знаком с учением Муссолини. И назвать его либералом я бы не смог, ибо упомянутое выше выражение есть самая суть и основа фашизма (не путать с гитлеровским нацизмом). США вообще далеко не самая либеральная страна. Если КНДР это чистый фашизм, а, Швеция это либерализм, то США окажутся где-то посередине.

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klinton

bravery of your intellect is astonishing, just like your humour, dear sir.

Bladewire

Never get sick in Russia you go-to a Russian hospital you have no help and get even sucker in the infected hospitals so sad what Putin is doing to Russians

Paul Markham

The whole of the Medto use and they can't avoid crashing?

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Paul Markham

What gay man would that be? I only see you spouting gay hate.

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just a punk

You are confusing Fascism with Nazism. These are a way different things. Nazism by Hitler is about the antisemitism and declaration of racial superiority. Fascism by Mussolini is the absolute power of State as a total opposition to Liberalism.

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Sarn

Таким методом можно всех перемазать фашизмом и подтягивать желаемое к действительному.

Of course

klinton

you confusing me with Sarn ;-) I wasn't participating in that discussion, but if you want...:
Hitler's program was: national socialism. means: nationalism as xenophobia and idea of superiority mixed with social programs for "good people", nation, and total control of the state over people's lives. Now you may answer yourself if it's something similar to current Russian politics or not ;-)
for me Russian politics these days is a mix of oligarchs and power services (FSB, some army etc) that are stealing what they can. For the people that believe them, they throw some bones here and there, like some social welfare, lots of TV/state media propaganda 24/7 to make people think that they do care about the country and "how Russia is strong now, not like before it was on its knees"...terrible propaganda that Goebbels would be proud of.
also, a fear of the people and attempts to control them like they can (internet laws, mainfestation laws, judges dependent on politics/ Putin etc.). typical paranoya of someone that always had a paranoya because he/ they worked in FSB/ KGB :>
strange semi- authoritarian system that tries to control many things, yet prolly its hard to control russian spirit (i mean - soul - not vodka).
like: only guy retarded and paranoic like Putin would say that Maidan was orchestrated by CIA (from the beginning). it simply cant cross his mind that Ukrainians simply got really tired of guys that were robbing them like they could (gold toilets in Yanukovich house etc.)[thats the matter of standards that nation allows basically and who it elects, as politicians are representation of the nation ;-) ]

klinton

Russian mud for the rest 94 % !

just a punk

Everything is correct.

There are 3 main goals of ANY propaganda:

1. Incite hatred. A hatred to anything or anyone: to gays, to other countries (e.g. to America), to other nations (e.g. to the Ukrainians) or to anything else like... people in white shirts for example. The targets of hatred are not important.
2. Promote the past (e.g. our Great Victory) and the future (e.g. how good we will live someday... in future...), but never (never fuckin' ever!!!) don't speak about now! Don't tell a single word about the crisis and don't let people think on why they have it.
3. Make people feel themselves insecure. Like anything may happen in every minute (e.g. ISIS will attack us, Ukrainians or Americans...) Make them think there will be chaos and the skies will fall if something happens to our Great Führer.

These are 3 simple rules that were used by Joseph Goebbels, so does the Putin's propaganda. If anyone has watched Russian TV "news", he knows what I'm talking about...

P.S. Initially I thought your comment was directed to me. Use nicknames or quotes next time ;)

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Sarn

I just had agreed with you and it confusing you? or you had seen your dogmas from another side?
The USA captured Ukraine. Is it secret for you? Poland under occupation.
Freedom for Poland!

110 %

just a punk

That's called...



Бывает хороший английский, плохой и твой

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Bladewire

You're tripping troll fail 👄

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Bladewire

This is Putin fascism discarding non perfect Russians as if there animals in a zoo.

Why don't you try to change this in your country? Become an advocate ?

Sarn

Да нормально там всё

Bladewire

Ба́ры деру́тся -- у холо́пов чубы́ треща́т

Sarn

You are an American living in America Bladewire

Sarn

It ukrainian proverb )

Bladewire

And you are a Russian that"s so focussed on hating Americans that you don't see your own hospitals crumbling because of Putin's corruption & greed.

Look inside yourself and your own country instead of doing what Putin wants, and focussing on his outside distractions.

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klinton

you said: "Jedem das Seine". it means - "to each his own". (by G translate, I dont speak German, im not such poliglote like you. only 2 foreign languages here :P)
I thought thats its your sarcasm or irony about only my nation being stupid.
as for Mexicans - well, nothing wrong with hard working people...do you see anything wrong with that ? If your country would rob you of 70 % of your income giving nothing in return (35 % in direct taxes, other 35 % in semi- direct taxes), would you stay there or try your luck somewhere else ?

Sarn

"Jedem das Seine" (German pronunciation: [ˈjeːdəm das ˈzaɪ̯nə]) is a German proverb meaning "to each his own" or "to each what he deserves". It is a translation of the Latin phrase suum cuique. During World War II the phrase was used by the Nazis as a motto displayed over the entrance of Buchenwald concentration camp.

"every nation gets what it deserves, politicians are only representations of the nation" (c) klinton

What wrong?

Sarn

Where had you seen my hate? Hospitals, it thx for Sanctions.

klinton

well ok then
I know only "arbait macht frei"

Sarn

"arbait macht frei" - it about Poland too

just a punk

Man, you're getting annoying with your hospitals fetish. If someone doesn't like shitty village municipal hospitals, he goes to private clinics with personal rooms, plasma, blackjack and hookers where he'll get everything (even a blowjob from a nurse - not a problem... for your money). And those clinics are still 10x times cheaper than private clinics in the USA. If a Russian doesn't like a free medicine (which is not available in your 3rd-world country), he uses a paid one. What's wrong with that?

Do you understand that you look like a complete idiot when you are trying to compare free clinics in Russia (not the Moscow ones, because they are not bad at all) with paid ones in the States? Go compare yours with our private ones and you'll see how badly you suck to us...

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