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Paul Markham · 04-27-2017, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Fat Boy is just jealous. South Korea is making lots of money trading with the world -- while most North Koreans barely have what to eat. Most of the North Korean GDP is used to support the NK military machine apparently ...

But you have it wrong: South Korea has tried and tried to reach a negotiated solution -- North Korea will not compromise they would rather starve.

What would have been the problem with allowing NK to overrun SK back in the 50s? Or NV over running SV in the 60s? Or ISIS overrunning Syria or Contras winning in wherever that war was going on. Or the Russians staying in Afghanistan.

These regimes are doomed to fail because of the madmen with their pseudo-communist beliefs that mean that live on the fat while the rest live in squalor. China was bankrupt until the US started to open the doors for it to sell goods to the West. Now it's a huge military and economic threat.

The US polices the world to make the rich very very wealthy. And has made the world a less safe place.

Paul Markham · 04-27-2017, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

no country would need any protection from US if US would not make their enemies to those country´s enemies.

think about that !!!!

I agree with you. Just allow these countries to kill each other and when it's over ignore them or buy the oil off the winners. America trying to stop them killing has always led to more deaths.

thommy · 04-27-2017, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I agree with you. Just allow these countries to kill each other and when it's over ignore them or buy the oil off the winners. America trying to stop them killing has always led to more deaths.

it sounds hard but in that case i agree with you 99%
i think that every country have the right to change to whatever they want to be.
we do it with elections and they do it by smacking their heads off.

the only problem in that is that most of these coups are not wanted from the majority and the coup makers are financed from other countries with interests there.

this is exactly what we see now in syria.
on one interest site they call the insurgents "terrorists" (what is true in the main) and on the other interest site "oppressed people" (what would be than a part of their culture because it is since 100ds or 1000ds of years like that and nobody ever cared).

JuicyBunny · 04-27-2017, 04:32 AM

US always prefers violence over diplomacy. Not much profit in diplomacy.

Barry-xlovecam · 04-27-2017, 05:00 AM

How ironic -- 70 years ago Germany threatened all of Europe. Who did you call -- Ghostbusters?

Europe is lucky Japan attacked the USA at Perl Harbor otherwise WW2 might have been a proxy war for the Americans and all of Europe would be speaking German or Russian today.

thommy · 04-27-2017, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

How ironic -- 70 years ago Germany threatened all of Europe. Who did you call -- Ghostbusters?

Europe is lucky Japan attacked the USA at Perl Harbor otherwise WW2 might have been a proxy war for the Americans and all of Europe would be speaking German or Russian today.

this is very possible - if hitler would not hate comminists and would stay on his word to stalin WW2 would end VERY different.

hitler would not lose a war against the west alliance - he lost against the cold of the russian winter and he lost it against the russian´s who where ready to die for their country no matter how much blood it cost.

and last not least he lost it against his own ignorance, arrogance, amateur policy and his criminal racism.

jbvryant · 04-27-2017, 08:53 AM

This is just a front to test and sell new weapons. Civilians are the usual casualty.

Rochard · 04-27-2017, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

but actually i do not want to blame US people for the "we won the war" that is kind of kindergarten and we know they need it for their ego. what i want to say is that you can´t win a war against people what are believing in what they are fighting for.

Here in the United States we are taught that "We won World War II". You can argue and debate this all you want, but there a number of things you need to take into consideration. The most important thing is that there was really two major wars going on - One against Germany, another against Japan.

You can argue defeating Germany, while no small feat, was easier. It was primarily a land based war, the numbers were surely not on Japan's side once Russia got involved, and the war in Europe was basically Germany against the US, Russia, France, UK, and every one else.

The war in the Pacific was a completely different beast and was fought mostly at sea and on islands. The war in Europe was a logistical nightmare, but the war in the Pacific was a logistical nightmare times infinity. Also, the United States received very little help in fighting Japan.

But it is very true that here in the United States we are taught that "we won the war". A lot is taught about the British, but a lot less about Russia. This was mostly because of the cold war; The US government wanted to downplay everything the Russians did.

just a punk · 04-27-2017, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Here in the United States we are taught that "We won World War II".

Sure you won... that's because you are idiots. Just a few facts for you:

Battle of Moscow:

400,000 German troops killed and 1,000 tanks destroyed by Russian Army.

Battle of Stalingrad:

734,000 German troops killed, 108,000 captured, 900 aircrafts, 1,500 tanks and 6,000 artillery pieces destroyed by Russian Army.

Battle of Kursk:

1,721,800 German troops killed, 6,181 tanks and 3,549 aircrafts destroyed by Russian Army.

Battle of Berlin:

81,116 dead or missing, 280,251 sick or wounded, 1,997 tanks and SPGs destroyed, 2,108 artillery pieces, 917 aircrafts.

And those are just a few battles of many between Nazi Germans and Soviet Russian Army. Even when the war was "ended" for the Soviet Union, Russians were helping you to defeat Japs.

Now tell me how many Nazi German soldiers were killed by Americans, how many Nazi tanks and aircrafts were destroyed by your brave army for all the times?

pimpmaster9000 · 04-27-2017, 12:27 PM

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Now tell me how many Nazi German soldiers were killed by Americans, how many Nazi tanks and aircrafts were destroyed by your brave army for all the times?

pussy ass USA lost the same number of soldiers as piss ant yugoslavia did in ww2

but sure...they "won" WW2

Horatio Caine · 04-27-2017, 12:40 PM

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pussy ass USA lost the same number of soldiers as piss ant yugoslavia did in ww2

but sure...they "won" WW2

Most of your soldiers died of a heart attack and self-vomiting with in first 3 hours of war. It lasted whole 8 days

Pussy ass French fought Germans for 45 days

perhaps it was the memory of losing war to Bulgarians that killed some too

thommy · 04-27-2017, 12:44 PM

back to the topic

it looks that china had cut the gasoline and oil delivery to NK.

is as i said: china will take care that issue.

Here is the (translated for you) news from a German news channel:

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Speculation about China's role in benzine nasality was also heated by the state headquarters Korean news agency. Shortly after the sale was restricted to Pyongyang gas stations, the agency spread an unusual sharp threat against China. Without naming the neighboring country by name, she criticized "a country around the DPRK (North Korea's official name: Democratic People's Republic of Korea)" dancing "after the whistle of the USA". This could perhaps reap applause in the West, but "catastrophic consequences" should be made. In this context, the commentator also explicitly mentioned North Korea's "nuclear deterrence".

Relic · 04-27-2017, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

back to the topic

INever · 04-27-2017, 08:41 PM

This is fucked up. Once a war starts, where will I get my Samsung replacement parts?

Look Chang · 04-27-2017, 10:17 PM

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LovinNothin · 04-27-2017, 10:18 PM

Bladewire · 04-27-2017, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

US always prefers violence over diplomacy. Not much profit in diplomacy.

I disagree.

We napalmed North Korea in the 1950's killing 20% of their population, we've been nothing but diplomatic since, that's almost 70 years of peace now.

dillfly2000 · 04-27-2017, 11:22 PM

there are no winners in war.....except the survivors.

Paul Markham · 04-28-2017, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Then why are we still fighting, and our servicemen still dying, in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Because the US thought it could change the way Muslims in those countries think. Which reveals a high level of stupidity.

Paul Markham · 04-28-2017, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

let´s make a small count:

north korea have 25 million people the south have 50 million aproximately.

IF NK have nukes it will bomb SK for sure and let´s say 30 million of the 50 will die.
nuking NK will probably kill 80% of them what is another 20 million

let´s assume that 70% of all northkorean are against the regime and 30% would die for it.
so from the 5 million what are left 1,5 million would still die for it.

result: up to here we have already the same number of killed people as in WW2 and we have an additional number of 1,5 million NEW TERRORISTS.

we have huge region in the world what will be uninhabitable for the next few hundert years and another 20 million south koreans what need a new home - WHO WILL TAKE THEM ????

the only thing what can destroy this regime in NK are their own people.
hunger and thurst is stronger and louder as any dictator´s voice.

china already stopped a lot of connections with them and china is also NOT interessted that this punk will have working nukes.
so pacience is the only answer that can prevent my calculation.

The US will not use Nuclear weapons first, they have enough firepower to level all the Nuclear capabilities NK has before they can push the button.

Patience has allowed NK to build its nuclear capability and they're continually testing rockets to perfect their ability to deliver them. With no sign from NK that they will slow down. When does patience run out?

Paul Markham · 04-28-2017, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

That's also 20 years of them not bombing SK, Japan and the US..

20 years in which they were allowed to develop the technology to deliver the bombs.

INever · 04-28-2017, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Because the US thought it could change the way Muslims in those countries think. Which reveals a high level of stupidity.

Dope, guns, humans and oil.

Paul Markham · 04-28-2017, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

correct !

and let´s think a bit back to cuba - 1962 it looked the same (or even worse) than the situation now because it happens right in front of the US homeland.

nobody knows what would have happen if someone would loose pacience but i am pretty sure we would not be here and discus that now.

and today ? i can´t see any problems with cuba any more - even when many people told kennedy to push the button.

unfreedom will not survive for ever. not even the iron curtain with all their ressources and power could stop it´s own end.

you can only remeove one dictator with another one because if the people there do not fight for a change they are not ready for a change - it is that simple.

look where the majority of all terrorists are comming from. the come from the so-called liberated countries - they will not understand that you liberate them if you thow a bomb on their house and kill their families. they will hate you for it and they will think about nothing but avenge themselves.

every form of violence generates violence - if we did not learn that in the past 100 years when shall we learn it?

Yes think back to the Cuban Missile Crisis. when Kruschev was convinced that if he didn't pull the missiles out, Kenedy would go to war. The Kims were convinced the US will do nothing. Now he's forced to change his mind.

That fool cost millions of lives in Europe. sending a strong Armed Force into France and Belgium would have made Hitler think twice. Same with the First World War when Britain was weak about its response should Germany go to war. Appeasing bullies never works.

Paul Markham · 04-28-2017, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The USA shooting unarmed Minuteman III missiles into target ranges 4,000 miles into the Pacific is just as antagonizing as Fat Boy shooting unarmed missiles into the Pacific threating the territory of other Asian nations.

What has doing nothing achieved?

China and NK have grown in military strength to the point that they're now a real problem.

Positioning a large force on NK's border will make them think twice.

Paul Markham · 04-28-2017, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

They're sitting targets in modern warfare. Even the Nazis weren't that stupid to line up tanks on the beaches of France.

Paul Markham · 04-28-2017, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

saddam did not attack USA - he was attacked for chemical weapons what he never had.
before this "great" war there was nobody dying in the streets of bagdad after this stupid "cleaning" there are hundrets of people dying every day.

What most Americans don't get is leaders like Saddam, Assad, etc. Have the support of a large part of their countries people. without that support, they couldn't rule. Hitler had the full support of most Germans.

Paul Markham · 04-28-2017, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

it sounds hard but in that case i agree with you 99%
i think that every country have the right to change to whatever they want to be.
we do it with elections and they do it by smacking their heads off.

the only problem in that is that most of these coups are not wanted from the majority and the coup makers are financed from other countries with interests there.

this is exactly what we see now in syria.
on one interest site they call the insurgents "terrorists" (what is true in the main) and on the other interest site "oppressed people" (what would be than a part of their culture because it is since 100ds or 1000ds of years like that and nobody ever cared).

Coups are not just a few people. They need the support and force of a large army and police force. North Vietnamese were willing to die for a leader who hated the US more than he loved his own people, who wanted to die to achieve the leader's dream. Same with the Germans, N. Koreans, Japanese, Russians, Chinese and nearly every other war that rewards the rich and kills the poor in huge numbers.

After 1,000s to millions of soldiers die, they go back to the same factory or shop to work for the same wages. Or in these days they start buying goods in the country that was once killing them. While the rich share the profits from the war.

What makes that speech any different from the one that someone should have made 4,000 years ago? Except in those days, the Kings were in the front line. With the handpicked best troops surrounding them.

Wars very rarely reward the men fighting them.

Paul Markham · 04-28-2017, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

this is very possible - if hitler would not hate comminists and would stay on his word to stalin WW2 would end VERY different.

hitler would not lose a war against the west alliance - he lost against the cold of the russian winter and he lost it against the russian´s who where ready to die for their country no matter how much blood it cost.

and last not least he lost it against his own ignorance, arrogance, amateur policy and his criminal racism.

Barry has been brought up on decades of American movies where they only have Americans fighting the battles.

pimpmaster9000 · 04-28-2017, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Most of your soldiers died of a heart attack and self-vomiting with in first 3 hours of war. It lasted whole 8 days

Pussy ass French fought Germans for 45 days

perhaps it was the memory of losing war to Bulgarians that killed some too

You were tourists in ww2...you can try and dance around it all you want...you lost the same amount of men as tiny tiny Yugoslavia...it will never cease to amuse me when Americans claim they "won" ww2...

LovinNothin · 04-28-2017, 02:30 AM

Barry-xlovecam · 04-28-2017, 05:41 AM

Next time don't call the USA call Ghostbusters ...

The US should just issue new currency and make all of the US paper currency held overseas worthless -- see who gets the last laugh.

just a punk · 04-28-2017, 06:16 AM

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Next time don't call the USA call Ghostbusters ...

Next time when Jews will be gassed and burned again, don't ask Russia to help. Call Ghostbusters - they will make some epic Hollywood movie about you ;)

Barry-xlovecam · 04-28-2017, 06:27 AM

Russia and America let the Jews burn along with everyone else exterminated in Hitlers death camps -- including Slavs and Russian soldiers. That is probably the most most uneducated statement I have ever seen you make.

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