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the Chinese are backing Trump. They are sick of the NK crazy punk kid. They moved troops to the border only to proven the mass refugee rush when US hits NK.

Bladewire

I guess you didn't read my post that you responded to. I thought I was clear. My appologies.

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thommy

i think you have no clue what that would mean when US would hit korea.
and that is why that never will happen.

the chinese are not backing trump they just want to prevent the idiot from doing something that he can not even guess. trump is a dangerous and completely crazy child at the detachment button of nuclear weapons - and the only people in the world who seems not to be scared about that are the idiots who have voted for him.

that shows EXACTLY the IQ of these voters.

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MaDalton

Unless the US uses nukes straight away, exactly the same will happen as the first time in Korea, in Vietnam, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in...

You cannot win a conventional war against a country that has nothing to lose and doesn't value the individual human life.

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Bladewire

I agree.

North Korea has had decades of warnings & sanctions. Send in a couple nukes and be done with the games. Hit Iran at the same time and do the same but with 5 nukes for good measure.

Trumps political strategy is hit'em first and hit'em hard, it will be interesting to see if he has the balls to do this militarily as well.

MaDalton

it would be the end of the US of A - it would morally unite the rest of the world against them.

but sounds remarkably like a Steve Bannon plan..

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Bladewire

I disagree. Iran funds ISIS & North Korea threatens all of Asia at the becoming call of China, fuck them.

The world is already against America according to GFY fake nic posts so nothing to lose

All Americans are getting tired of being threatened by North Korea, Iran, Putin. Fuck them

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MaDalton

if you say so...

i say: whoever starts the next nuclear strike in history will lose in the long run

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Relic

Nuclear detente exists for a reason

MaDalton

do you even know what that means?

cause it means the opposite of what is happening here

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thommy

what long run ?

there is no long run after that - IF there will be kids born after thathey will look like this:



and this was NOT a bomb - it was just a little accident.

?I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.?

Albert Einstein

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MaDalton

well, let's take into consideration that Trump really launches an attack on North Korea - I doubt that Russia or China would strike back with nukes against the US

they wouldn't even need to, the rest of the world would side with them and condemn the US - mostly cause there is not even proof the weapons NK talks about even exist - see Iraq and their WMDs. Fool me once etc.

And Seoul is only 200 km from Pyonyang - you can't "blow up" NK without devastating SK in the process.

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thommy

very possible because the nuclear fallout will effect them a lot.

not only that - even a nuclear bomb would not be able to destory the nuclear weapons and knowledge about in in NK.

what is a man doing who stands with the back on a wall?

and even if he have no chance to fire his own arms - the knowledge would go in the wrong hands FOR SURE.
and these hands will not preananounce with a big mouth like kim - they will just do it - same they just did 9/11.

well - i don´t think that trump cares them a lot. he cares nobody except himself and the citizens in USA are so brainwashed about that issue that they all think it can´t effect them because the are far away (and so do the others)

a nuclear war is definately the end of the world. only rats and cockroaches can survive that.

a nuclear bomb is a nuclear bomb. there is no difference if that bomb is made in USA, germany china or NK. the quality of a nuclear reaction is a natural physical and everybody who thinks he can survive that will never find out that he was wrong.

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Bladewire

So we assume Kim Jong Un & China are lying about North Korea's nuclear capabilities, that China has given them?

Nah, I say they're telling the truth and the games are over. Boom!

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MaDalton

but we also know since Hiroshima and Nagasaki that it doesn't have to be the end of the world - which unfortunately could also be an encouragement to try it again

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MaDalton

you are kind of making my point for me

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thommy

the bombs in hiroshima and nagasaki haven´t been even 1/1000 of the small nukes today.
the hiroshima bomb had 13 kilotonns - in the 60s the bombs have been meassured already in megatonns and the explosive power of today's bombs is in the gigatonns range.
just ONE of them is nearly the same explosive power than 1000 hiroshima bombs.

because of the so called overkill-strategy the existing nuclear power is theoreticly able to kill 100 BILLION people (so 92 billion more as exist).

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MaDalton

you might want to read this

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/s...easy.html?_r=0

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directfiesta

Iran funds ISIS ......

Are you completely nuts !!!!!!!

Saudia Arabia and Turkey funds ISIS and both are suppliewd with weapons by the USA ....

You really need to get that US flag post out of your ass ... oups, forgot you like that ...

Relic

Stop believing in fake news ffs

MaDalton

stop being a troll

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Relic

If people troll you, it is your own fault.

MaDalton

i trolled people on boards while you were still eating dirt in the kindergarten sandpit, no worries about me.

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Relic

I don't know about that MaDalton but if you say so:

Barry-xlovecam

I meant who is lying -- the Russian government or the UK press -- The Sun seems to be the cited source of this story by all those parroting it -- YouTube is the Sun's only real source.

Until proven otherwise I will accept the official statement over youtube and the UK press -- I saw this story and the Youtube videos yesterday and decided to discount them. Until the story is independently collaborated with creditable authority it's not reliable.

Russia: North Korea border troop movements 'our business' | Euronews
China and Russia, North Korea's Neighbors, Deny Preparing for War in Asia

Social media is not a reliable source -- in most cases most fake news and hoaxes originate in social media or from 'mockumentaries' posted on youtube ...

Steve Rupe

You are smarter than this, at least I think so. They are a pimple on our Military ass.

Steve Rupe

Still the megaton range. The largest one ever detonated was by the Soviets and it was 50 megatons. The avg Nuke in our arsenal are 1 to 5 megatons.

Steve Rupe

Where did you come up with this misinformation???

thommy

why don´t you shut your silly mouth?

if YOU know it better than YOU come up with the RIGHT INFORMATION, you clown !

but i am sure you did not even understand what i am talking about you brain bonsai

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thommy

i did not talk about the bombs DETONATED - i talked about the bombs EXISTING.

The Zar Bomb detonated 1961 !!!!!! had 50-60 megatonns and was 4000 times stronger than the hiroshima

1961 !!!!!!!!!!!!

we have 2017 - did you realize that ?

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MaDalton

were do you take this absolute denial of reality from?

we all know how the previous conflicts ended and still you claim the exact opposite

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Steve Rupe

Your really are not well informed. The bombs existing are measured in megatons. In the US the average warhead is 1 megaton with multiple warheads on our ICBM's. We also have in our arsenal kiloton nukes. But anymore insults out of you and I am finished with you. I do not like talking with the ignorant in the first place.

Steve Rupe

I will repeat that NK is a pimple on our military ass and always have been. If you claim other wise you are simply ignorant of facts. How much military experience do you have BTW and what rank were you if you care to say?

thommy

ok commande idiot - what did i say exacltly what is wrong?

how many of this (and MUCH bigger) nuclear bombs are existing in the world?

do you have a calculator and count it together ???? can you handle that?

the world have a nuclear potential of multiple gigatonns and calculated by the so called overkill strategy (if you know what that means - if not google it) it is THEORETICLY enough to kill 100 BILLION people.

but we are only 8 BILLION !!!!!!!!
but have the power to kill 100 billion!

did that reach now to the walnut in your head what you call brain?

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Steve Rupe

Because your english is so poor it is a bit difficult to decipher what you are intending to say, but I think now what you are saying is; that the existing megatonnage of the nukes in the world amounts to gigatons of explosive power. Is that correct or not?

thommy

Tell the 37,000 dead us soldiers who were not able to get the pimple in one piece.

i don´t know how many US sodiers still must die and how many hundred trillions of dollars have to explode somewhere in the world til you guys learn that war is not a family-weekend on a ponyfarm and that it doesn´t make the world any better.

90% of the world´s existing conflicts are foundet with US soldiers blood and us-taxpayers money - for WHAT ????

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Barry-xlovecam

The alternative is to wait until North Korea has a viable nuclear warhead mounted on a ballistic missile and uses it.

thommy

there is no doubt about that - and there is already too much time past to resolve this issue.

but even when it is hard you should try to see the things also a moment from their position.
NK is the most hated country in the world (but trump works on it to change that) and they are outlawed since the korean war and LONG before they even had nukes.

you can also not change this asian mentality to belive in a leader (i mean, look around you how many americans are like that). the mistakes were done right after the war.
who knows where this country would be today if the world would not try to destroy them economicly.

look the chinese example - it is not so long ago that chinese could not travel and had the same desaster - today china is not anymore what it have been 20 years ago. and yes they have nukes but nobody is scared about that.

if you look at the whole story it was not only NK who isolated itself - it was the whole world what isolated them just because they wanted to do it their way.

nobody have to bring them freedom because they died for the unfreedom they wanted. so let them do and use them for what they are possibly good.

the problem in all this countries is this american made enemy story about communists - WHY ? if they want to live that way let them do. but if you make them think that every single individual in such a country is hated on the whole planet it will make them move together.

THAT is what is wrong since WW2. That one country wants to rule all others and wants to be the bright example for freedom and peace.
how weak must be a country that panic fears to be overrun by communism when it claims to be perfect ? that is unlogic !!!!

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MaDalton

And I will repeat that the first "police action" in Korea was not won, Vietnam was not won, Afghanistan obviously is not won and Iraq isn't either. Despite massive military dominance.

And you cannot change history by claiming the opposite on GFY.

(also NK has a massive conventional army - any conventional war would end exactly the same way the first did)

And no idea what my military service would change in world history of warfare but since I posted it here before: I spent exactly 6 weeks at the army and then my papers went through and i switched to civil service and wiped old peoples asses. A far more rewarding job than learning how to kill people.

But i can safely say that those 6 weeks at the army were the worst six weeks of my life.

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Steve Rupe

Your perceptions are yours and there would be little point to me trying to change your misconceptions as I am satisfied that would not be possible. Suffice it to say I know what the goals. military and political, were in each of those conflicts thus I do not suffer from misconceptions about the end result of each. Militarily we won in Korea as well as politically. In Vietnam we won militarily but not politically. Iraq and Afghanistan are still on going conflicts.

MaDalton

I will never claim to know everything but how Korea was a military and political success and how Vietnam was won militarily is something I really would love to learn.

cause looking at the end results i can see nothing of that

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Steve Rupe

South Korea was invaded by North Korea. Our military goal as well as political goal was to push them back to the 38th Parallel which is where the country was split into at the end of WWII, by agreement between the Soviet Union and the US. Our military removed them from South Korea and General MacArthur, exceeding his authority, drove past the 38th all the way to the Chinese border, which brought the Chinese into the conflict. General MacArthur was relieved of his command and our military was ordered to return back to the 38th Parallel and to hold there, which they did in both instances thus our military goal as well as political goal was met.

In Vietnam our military goal and political goal was to hold South Vietnam from being overrun by the North. The military held the South until it was ordered to withdraw from Vietnam in '73 which it did, thus it was a military success, but the South was lost by the Vietnamese military in '75 thus the political goal was not met.

Even then the South Vietnamese military would probably have prevailed as President Nixon had promised that if the battle began to go South he would bomb Hanoi into submission, which is what he did to bring the north to the peace table in the first place. Eleven days of 24/7 bombing by our B-52's, hitting targets that were forbidden before, is what brought the North to the peace table in '73 allowing all US forces to withdraw. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on ones point of view, the Congress would not allow funding to the President to keep his promise and proceed to bomb Hanoi again thus the South Vietnamese Army could not hold against the invasion of the NVA who were supplied by and supported by the Russians, as well as some Russian military.

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How does North Korea make its money? - CNN.com

100% embargo. China, Russia and the USA have to agree on this for it to work. Starve the privileged population and eventually the army will revolt and take power. Without the 'party' as leadership they would negotiate.

As long a the Kim Dynasty retains power this will only continue and get worse.

Relic

Report for reconditioning Bary.

Barry-xlovecam

Steve don't glorify Richard Nixon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat..._Money#Results

Nixon's "Peace with Honor" position during the Paris peace talks cost 1,000's of American soldiers lives. Nixon's relentless bombing of the North did not accomplish jack-shit. I was 18 back then and remember that bullshit well.

The mining of Haiphong harbor made the difference and That should have been done years earlier -- or we should have just left the South Vietnamese to fight their own war of unification.

The situation in Korea is different -- the North Vietnamese had no interest in developing a nuclear weapon and using it.

The Tubby Tyrant has made that his goal and signed his own death sentence.

Barry-xlovecam

relic -- fuck you .

Steve Rupe

I was far older than 18 and I too remember it well and in no way am I glorifying Nixon. I was not a fan of his. It is a fact that the 11 days of 24/7 bombing of Hanoi and his order to mine and bomb the harbor simultaneously also allowing many other targets that were forbidden for the entirety of the conflict up until that point, to be hit, is what brought the North to the negotiating table.

His so called "peace with honor" was a separate issue and was the "Vietnamization" of the conflict. The entirety of the conflict was mishandled by civilians from President Eisenhower, who was the first to commit troops to Vietnam in 1958 or '59, to JFK, to Johnson, to Nixon. Civilian micromanagement usually fucks up and prolongs military engagements. President Bush Sr., in my opinion, was the best Commander in Chief in modern times. For the most part he allowed the Generals free rein when he decided to engage them.

jbvryant

Trump Lied? Yep, he's on course to be a good politician.

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