The Intel that let US Officials to Conclude with "No Doubt" that it was Syria that did it - GoFuckYourself.com

Idigmygirls · 04-12-2017, 11:11 PM

I usually avoid engaging in this kind of post, because everything is so polarizing. But this just has to be discussed and I hope for some intelligent and non-flippant answers.

Here is the link to the CNN Story: US intelligence intercepted communications between Syrian military and chemical experts - CNNPolitics.com

So, for me, the only question is what was the motive?

I've only heard things like that Assad is just insane - which he is most certainly not.

Here is my "rational" analysis. I am not a partisan at all.

Assad/Syria aren't crazy or stupid. They are also advised by Russia and Putin, and say what you want about Putin being a bad guy, there is simply no argument that he is anything but very sharp, and he acts rationally in his and his country's interests.

Who stood to lose:

1) Assad would have known that there is no strategic value to using banned weapons agains civilians (unless it was deliberately done to provoke a US response). He had just, just, just won the war. The US had just announced that he would remain in power in Syria. Just about the only thing that could possibly draw the US and allies back in to Syria would be an event like this.
2) Russia would have given huge odds on the response to such a weapon by the US, and Russia above all, wants the US out of Syria for it's own military and strategic reasons. I can conceive of no reason that Putin would want to kill 60 random people in exchange for giving them much more US presence in the country.

Who stood to gain:
3) ISIS, al queda and the other "rebels" who were fighting to overthrow Assad had lost Syria. Syrian and Russian forces were cleaning up the remaining hold-outs and the US indicated that it would be winding down. Obviously they would be thrilled to do whatever they could to get the US forces engaged against the Syrian army. It is their only real chance of reversing their defeat. Some of the groups at a minimum, have shown their total disregard for human life if it is in the interest of their movement.
4) The US industrial-military complex. An overused term to the extend that I think some people roll their eyes. But don't forget that the Trump budget, that was widely criticized, included an unprecedentedly massive increase in military spending. Hundreds of billions of dollars stand to be made (and in the minds of many who are in that complex, the world will be hundreds of billions of dollars safer, so it isn't all about "greed" but also fear and honest belief).

With the motives so heavily one-sided, it concerns me very much that there isn't much more evidence to support the conclusion that there is Zero Doubt that this act was carried out by Assad.

To me, it seems much more likely to have been planned by forces that are very capable of planning things much more elaborate than this.

With thousands of "top minds" trying to figure out how to do vile and horrid things to, among many others, the western powers, why wouldn't we assume that this was a terrorist frame-up as the first and most likely scenario? Just a single radio intercept of two supposed Syrian's talking about a chemical weapons attack? It strikes me that this is the kind of "evidence" that would obviously be a part of any plan to frame Assad and Russia. I would be shocked if they don't turn up other, similarly trivial-to-forge evidence planted by anyone who would be clever enough to pull of the chemical attack in the first place.

I wish I could have the faith of some of you who are totally polarized and see your side as completely and always right. But I lack faith in any entity or side right now. So I'm looking at things objectively, and this whole Syria situation does not add up. Very obviously, something is not what we are being told that it is...

pimpmaster9000 · 04-13-2017, 02:33 AM

They are trying to spin it like Assad used the WMD Saddam hid...O lolocopter

Joshua G · 04-13-2017, 02:47 AM

problem 1 - you used CNN as a source for information, so you have already started the discussion citing a propaganda source not an information source. CNN always cheerleads war. they profit from it. so them running a story why there is no doubt about assad is consistent with that.

problem 2 - you are attributing rational thought processes to both assad & ISIS, 2 parties that have shown no concern to murder innocents by the bushel, & in very cruel ways.

so between those 2 problems alone i hope you realize any conclusions you draw will be merely reflections of your mis-information, & personal biases, no matter how "objective" you want to be. sounds to me like you want to believe trump did it by your writing...you have that same empty speculation thing going like the media does all things trump/russia...

good luck figuring out the truth! I myself blame an obama mole in the MID.

pimpmaster9000 · 04-13-2017, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

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problem 2 - you are attributing rational thought processes to both assad & ISIS, 2 parties that have shown no concern to murder innocents by the bushel, & in very cruel ways.

funny american

JuicyBunny · 04-13-2017, 04:10 AM

An MIT Prof who has reviewed the report stated yesterday there is no hard evidence Syria had anything to do with it. In reality it appears rebels improvised a device and set it off in an area to make Assad appear responsible. As soon as White Helmets" are involved and they are in the reporting, it could be any number of terrorist groups actually committing this heinous act.

Stories like this can be found on numerous sites.
MIT Rocket Scientist: White House Claims on Syria Chemical Attack "Cannot Be True"
Google US is blocking RT results.

Shocking!

04-12-2017, 11:11 PM	#1
Idigmygirls Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 498	The Intel that let US Officials to Conclude with "No Doubt" that it was Syria that did it I usually avoid engaging in this kind of post, because everything is so polarizing. But this just has to be discussed and I hope for some intelligent and non-flippant answers. Here is the link to the CNN Story: US intelligence intercepted communications between Syrian military and chemical experts - CNNPolitics.com So, for me, the only question is what was the motive? I've only heard things like that Assad is just insane - which he is most certainly not. Here is my "rational" analysis. I am not a partisan at all. Assad/Syria aren't crazy or stupid. They are also advised by Russia and Putin, and say what you want about Putin being a bad guy, there is simply no argument that he is anything but very sharp, and he acts rationally in his and his country's interests. Who stood to lose: 1) Assad would have known that there is no strategic value to using banned weapons agains civilians (unless it was deliberately done to provoke a US response). He had just, just, just won the war. The US had just announced that he would remain in power in Syria. Just about the only thing that could possibly draw the US and allies back in to Syria would be an event like this. 2) Russia would have given huge odds on the response to such a weapon by the US, and Russia above all, wants the US out of Syria for it's own military and strategic reasons. I can conceive of no reason that Putin would want to kill 60 random people in exchange for giving them much more US presence in the country. Who stood to gain: 3) ISIS, al queda and the other "rebels" who were fighting to overthrow Assad had lost Syria. Syrian and Russian forces were cleaning up the remaining hold-outs and the US indicated that it would be winding down. Obviously they would be thrilled to do whatever they could to get the US forces engaged against the Syrian army. It is their only real chance of reversing their defeat. Some of the groups at a minimum, have shown their total disregard for human life if it is in the interest of their movement. 4) The US industrial-military complex. An overused term to the extend that I think some people roll their eyes. But don't forget that the Trump budget, that was widely criticized, included an unprecedentedly massive increase in military spending. Hundreds of billions of dollars stand to be made (and in the minds of many who are in that complex, the world will be hundreds of billions of dollars safer, so it isn't all about "greed" but also fear and honest belief). With the motives so heavily one-sided, it concerns me very much that there isn't much more evidence to support the conclusion that there is Zero Doubt that this act was carried out by Assad. To me, it seems much more likely to have been planned by forces that are very capable of planning things much more elaborate than this. With thousands of "top minds" trying to figure out how to do vile and horrid things to, among many others, the western powers, why wouldn't we assume that this was a terrorist frame-up as the first and most likely scenario? Just a single radio intercept of two supposed Syrian's talking about a chemical weapons attack? It strikes me that this is the kind of "evidence" that would obviously be a part of any plan to frame Assad and Russia. I would be shocked if they don't turn up other, similarly trivial-to-forge evidence planted by anyone who would be clever enough to pull of the chemical attack in the first place. I wish I could have the faith of some of you who are totally polarized and see your side as completely and always right. But I lack faith in any entity or side right now. So I'm looking at things objectively, and this whole Syria situation does not add up. Very obviously, something is not what we are being told that it is... __________________ Red Light Center - Adult Metaverse https://www.redlightcenter.com

04-13-2017, 02:33 AM	#2
pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	They are trying to spin it like Assad used the WMD Saddam hid...O lolocopter __________________ Report a suspicious cracker: Click Here

04-13-2017, 02:47 AM	#3
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	problem 1 - you used CNN as a source for information, so you have already started the discussion citing a propaganda source not an information source. CNN always cheerleads war. they profit from it. so them running a story why there is no doubt about assad is consistent with that. problem 2 - you are attributing rational thought processes to both assad & ISIS, 2 parties that have shown no concern to murder innocents by the bushel, & in very cruel ways. so between those 2 problems alone i hope you realize any conclusions you draw will be merely reflections of your mis-information, & personal biases, no matter how "objective" you want to be. sounds to me like you want to believe trump did it by your writing...you have that same empty speculation thing going like the media does all things trump/russia... good luck figuring out the truth! I myself blame an obama mole in the MID.

04-13-2017, 04:10 AM	#5
JuicyBunny So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Tokyo Red Light District Posts: 2,145	An MIT Prof who has reviewed the report stated yesterday there is no hard evidence Syria had anything to do with it. In reality it appears rebels improvised a device and set it off in an area to make Assad appear responsible. As soon as White Helmets" are involved and they are in the reporting, it could be any number of terrorist groups actually committing this heinous act. Stories like this can be found on numerous sites. MIT Rocket Scientist: White House Claims on Syria Chemical Attack "Cannot Be True" Google US is blocking RT results. Shocking!