Originally Posted by Matt-ADX

Only if they are an elected official or held office. I don't think he ever did, so he was not bound to declare it. Now it appears he is going to do it. Yeah not good, Eli Lake when explaining this said that it's illegal but he hasn't seen people go to jail over this type of stuff. Still shows what kind of guys these guys are.

Manafort expected to register as foreign agent for past Ukraine work - CNNPolitics.com

Originally Posted by Rochard

I understood everything. You are saying I am giving you circumstantial evidence. And I am. Then I gave you the facts - Russia had a huge influence on our election.

The facts are Russia influenced our election. The facts are that Russia helped Trump win the election. The Russian government hacked both the Republicans and Democrats, then only released the information about the Democrats. And this was only part of it - the had thousands of people spreading fake news... Making fake websites and then spreading them on social media.

The rest of the circumstantial evidence is just the icing on the cake. The truth will continue to drip drip drip for the next year.

Seems Carter Page was under investigation for working for being a Russian agent. Surprise surprise surprise. Nearly everyone who works for the administration has ties directly to Russia.

Originally Posted by Robbie

No, you don't even fathom what I'm talking about. You are babbling political biased nonsense.
But that's okay. If you HONESTLY believe that Donald Trump is a secret Russian agent...okay!

Enjoy your conspiracy theories.

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

After Campaign Exit, Manafort Borrowed From Businesses With Trump Ties

Follow the money...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/u...=Homepage&_r=0

Originally Posted by Robbie

No, you don't even fathom what I'm talking about. You are babbling political biased nonsense.
But that's okay. If you HONESTLY believe that Donald Drumpf is a secret Russian agent...okay!

Enjoy your conspiracy theories.

Originally Posted by Rochard

In the past twenty-four hours Carter Page claims he "might have discussed sanctions" with the Russian government while in Russia in 2006.

Drip.... Drip..... drip.....

Originally Posted by Robbie

The "drip, drip" you are hearing is only there because...

Originally Posted by Rochard

In the past twenty-four hours Carter Page claims he "might have discussed sanctions" with the Russian government while in Russia in 2006.

Drip.... Drip..... drip.....

Originally Posted by Robbie

2006???? That would have been 11 years ago.

Did you mean 2016?

Originally Posted by Robbie

Obama put sanctions on in 2017...literally in the last couple of days before he left office.

Originally Posted by Robbie

The "drip, drip" you are hearing is only there because CNN is telling you it is.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Senator Obama sent an entire TEAM to Russia while he was in transition to discuss what he was going to change from the Bush administration.

Originally Posted by bronco67

oooh baby. Getting hot in here

British intelligence passed Drumpf associates' talks with Russian on to US counterparts - CNNPolitics.com

Originally Posted by Rochard

Sanctions against Russia went into place in 2017, a few days before Obama left office?

Perhaps you should try researching these things first. You know, use Google. Sanctions against Russia started in 2014, shortly after Russia started fucking with Ukraine.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Hey Einstein...

Your argument is stupid.

Originally Posted by Rochard

All of this will come out eventually. The Republicans will try to shut down the investigation, but even if they do the information will leak out one way or another. If it doesn't come from US sources, it will come out from foreign sources. Too many people know.

What Trump doesn't seem to understand (or at least didn't understand at first) was that we monitor Russian communication. Even if we never monitored or picked up any conversation anyone related to Trump, we picked up communications from inside of Russia itself - Russians talking to Russians.

Drip drip drip.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Hey Einstein... the sanctions that all you snowflakes keep talking about are the ones that Obama put on Russia in 2017 days before he left office.

The sanctions you are talking about from 2014 were old news.

In case you didn't know (and of course you didn't)...the claims being made by Democrat conspiracists (of which you are one) is that Russia wanted the Drumpf transition team to promise to remove the new sanctions that Obama put on them for "meddling" in the election.

The sanctions YOU are mistakenly (as usual) talking about are international sanctions that happened in 2014.
The sanctions that Democrat Party people (of which you are now one) were trying to say were at the crux of all the wiretapping of Drumpf and his people are the ones that Pres. Obama put on them via Executive Order.

Originally Posted by bronco67

Robbie has his head so far up his ass he could lick his own spleen. So fucking partisan it's not even funny.

Originally Posted by Robbie

You are trying to say that somehow...Russia KNEW that Trump would run for President in 2014? And they somehow KNEW he would win? And they then set it up for sanctions to be removed?

Originally Posted by Robbie

How many other conspiracy theories do you believe in?

Originally Posted by Robbie

And oh, by the way...NONE of the sanctions on Russia have been removed.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Your argument is stupid.

Originally Posted by Rochard

NO. NOT AT ALL.

This is the entire point of the entire debate right here Robbie, and you don't seem to get it. The entire point of all of this is that Drumpf offered to remove sanctions on Russia in exchange for help winning election. Obviously we cannot talk about sanctions that happened after the election, so we must be talking about the earlier sanctions.

Originally Posted by Rochard

Russia was working to influence the election long before we had the two final candidates. Once it came down to Trump and Clinton, they sided with Trump and did their best to make Clinton look bad. This not an accusation; This is fact. We know for a fact that the Russians hacked both the RNC and the DNC, but only pushed information from the DNC to make Clinton look bad.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Good Lord....

No, THIS is the FACT: The emails that hurt the DNC were the ones that revealed that Debbie Wasserman Shulz (the head of the DNC) was plotting AGAINST Bernie Sanders.

The emails that hurt Hillary were the ones that came from John Podesta's hacked email account (he literally used the word "password" as his freakin' password...a 12 year old could have hacked him).
And in Podesta's emails HE talks about how bad Hillary is.

Did the Russian's force Podesta to write everyone he knew and talk about what a terrible person Hillary is?
Did the Russian's force Shulz and the DNC to actively work AGAINST Bernie Sanders?
Did the Russian's force Hillary to go to giant fundraisers in Hollywood for the last 2 months of the General Election campaign and NOT do any campaigning at all in the "Rust Belt" (the states that cost her the election)
Did the Russian's release fake poll numbers and have CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC smugly telling us every day right up to election day that Hillary was gonna win in a landslide?

The answer is "NO" to all of that Rochard.

And ALL of those hacked emails occurred while the campaigns were going on for the Republican and Democrat nominations.

The FBI informed the DNC about what was happening and they put security on their emails after that.

Drumpf wasn't even the Republican nominee yet. And Hillary wasn't the Democrat nominee yet.

None of those emails had ONE thing to do with the General Election. They were all concerning Hillary VS Bernie and how Sanders was getting fucked over.

So tell me again how the Russians somehow "magically" were wanting to decide who won the Presidency without even knowing WHO was going to be either Party's nominee?

And tell me why and how Hillary had a few emails showing her to be the crook she is...and Trump had leaked video footage of himself talking about grabbing pussy, plus the ENTIRE media working against him every day, plus his own big mouth saying things that pissed people off....
AND HE STILL WON.

That's on Hillary. Not Russia.

Originally Posted by crockett

You waste your time arguing with Robbie, it's like trying to argue with JoshuaMo.. Robbie just uses the strawman argument, because he doesn't care if he's right or factual, he's only worried about trying to make you wrong when in-turn makes him right in his head..

To debate someone you have to have 2 parties willing to debate and accept a winner.. Robbie isn't willing to debate because he's only interested in talking his way into being what he preserves as victory and right..

It's gotta be a mental illness or he seriously suffers from those daddy issues..

Originally Posted by Rochard

I honestly believe that Robbie is very smart.

But this is the thing with Trump - some people believe in him no matter what.

Originally Posted by Rochard

Robbie.....

Fact: Russia hacked the DNC.
Fact: Russia hacked the RNC.
Fact: Russia hacked John Podesta's email.
Fact: Russia only leaked hacked emails that would embarrass Clinton in the DNC hack...that the DNC was trying to anoint her and fuck over Sanders and that they colluded with CNN and other media outlets to do so.
Fact: Russia did not leak emails that would embarrass the Republican party.
Fact: Russia helped Trump by ONLY leaking hacked emails that would embarrass Clinton.

And this is only a portion of what Russia did, by the way.

ALL of this had EVERYTHING to do with the general election. This is why we are having this discussion right now. This is why our government is having an investigation into this. This is why it is in the news EVERY DAY.

Take politics out of this. The Russian government hacked emails of political parties in the United States and leaked only ones that would influence our election.

Originally Posted by Rochard

Robbie.....

Fact: Russia hacked the DNC.
Fact: Russia hacked the RNC.
Fact: Russia hacked John Podesta's email.
Fact: Russia only leaked hacked emails that would embarrass Clinton.
Fact: Russia did not leak emails that would embarrass the Republican party.
Fact: Russia helped Trump by ONLY leaking hacked emails that would embarrass Clinton.

And this is only a portion of what Russia did, by the way.

ALL of this had EVERYTHING to do with the general election. This is why we are having this discussion right now. This is why our government is having an investigation into this. This is why it is in the news EVERY DAY.

Take politics out of this. The Russian government hacked emails of political parties in the United States and leaked only ones that would influence our election.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Did it ever occur to you that the RNC wasn't rigging it's nomination in favor of one candidate?

THAT is what was revealed in the DNC emails. The RNC wasn't doing that.
THAT is the ONLY thing that "hurt" or "embarrassed" Clinton.
Why can't you understand that?

And NONE of the emails had ANYTHING to do with the General Election. ALL of the emails that were hacked were hacked before the beginning of 2016...long before Clinton or Drumpf won their party's nomination

And no...the only reason we are having this discussion is because you and the rest of the Democrats are sore losers and just can't believe that they lost.

You keep operating under a conspiracy theory that the Russians KNEW Hillary was going to be the nominee.
But the whole hacking was an attempt to help BERNIE win the nomination.

So Russia FAILED.

There was not one single email that was hacked during the general election.

Just USE GOOGLE for God's sake man.
And don't google up OPINIONS. Look for dates and FACTS. Not shit you want to think.

I'm looking at a CNN report from July of 2016 where they are talking about how the FBI informed the DNC that they had been hacked back at the beginning of 2016 and further told them that the hackers had been running wild in their system for over a YEAR.

So that would be the beginning of 2015 when they first got hacked.

Trump didn't announce until June of 2015. He wasn't even in the race at that point. And remember...there were SIXTEEN candidate for the Republicans at that point.

Hillary didn't announce until April of 2015 (via a stupid YouTube video...more proof of her horrible campaign style).

So the Russians hacked the DNC from around January of 2015 to the beginning of 2016.

At that point there were still multiple candidates for both Republican and Democrat nominations.

But somehow...in that fevered conspiracy you have...RUSSIA controlled everything by hacking emails from all of 2015 and the first month of 2016.

And every single one of those DNC emails were all about fucking over Bernie Sanders.

Look it up for yourself Rochard. Quit reading opinion pieces and start using your own mind.

Originally Posted by Rochard

Fact: Russia helped Trump win.

/discussion.

Originally Posted by Rochard

Fact: Russia helped Trump win.

/discussion.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Fact: You still can't see past your hate to understand anything about this.
</discussion>

(You also don't understand HTML... to make the "end of discussion" tag work you needed brackets around it lol )

Originally Posted by Rochard

This is not open to discussion. It's not open to debate. It's a fact.