SevY

I've written this thread on a very small and niche forum, but I tought i had to share it.

It was because making a sale on a paysite is going harder than ever so many affiliate programs close and shut down websites considered unprofitable, leaving webmasters without the already poor income.

Problems are mainly on user's side (p2p, tubes, etc...) I think there's responsibility from the producers' side too, mostly about the quality of the content and the servces.

Adult industry very often forgets that this business is based on users' addiction to porn. This addiction, like any other, is supposed to grow and evolve leading the productions to face it sooner or later.

This means the content needs to be niched and evolved to satisfy the always more specific request.

That's why we should ask to our affiliates to evolve in some way.
We are stuck to the same marketing strategies from 90's. The only change is in the connection speeds.

But do you have different emotions watching the same scene in 360p or in 8k?

So I strongly suggest a big change of direction in the Industry itself. But the industry will never change untill webmasters change, because we are, at the end, the real engine that moves the masses to the porn.

So, assuming user's addiction as a matter of fact, let me give you a an example.

The Gonzo Scenario: this kind of users are the more addicted and the hardest to convert since they just look for sex, no strings attached.

1) The user likes to watch tranny content. Bug tubes like XVideos or PornHub are so damn filled of this content that trying to re-sell it in higher resolution is useless.
The conversion ratio is basically ZERO.

2) Once the user gets addicted to "just shemales being fucked" so he looks for sex scenes of shemales with huge cocks or maybe asian shemales with micro dicks being fucked.
This is where the paysite could start converting. But the quantity of free content is still very much, so he keep fapping on tubes.
Conversion ratio would probably be around 1:100,000.

3) Once again he gets addicted to sub-niche so he looks for micro-penis asian shemales being fucked by huge black dicks.
Now the content becomes a bit less and the search for it becomes a bit more complicated. The user starts considering to buy access to paysite, especially if the search for the sub-niche takes more and more time. For now, let's assume he will still find tiny content on tubes and fap on it.
Conversion ratio could probably be around 1:10,000.

4) One more possible step would be looking for small dicks asian shemales fucked by BBCs and prostate cumming hands-free.
At this point the content will be so few that the user will watch the same tiny and hard to find content again and again. That's where the paysite becomes the turnover. But once again let's say the user is resistent so he faps always the same ones. In this case the time will do the rest: once the videos won't be enough he will start feeling unsatisfied and looking around but find nothing and give up buying access.
The conversion ratio could probably be around 1:1,000.

5) There could be much more steps to consider but let's consider just one more: small dicks asian shemales gangbanged by several BBCs hands-free prostate cumming in double-penetration with final bukkake.
This step is so unique that the user will search for days if not for weeks to find not-even-close content. This kinda paysite will exist for a very limited audeince, but be SURE 100% the user will buy an access.
The conversion ratio could probably be around 1:100 or even better.
I runned a 1:18 conversion with an ass-licking-rimming-dorms-lesbians-cheerleaders-teens niche site in the late 2013. I pobably invented that niche but the !

Now let's analyze the criticism:

a) The income wouldn't justify the costs.
I agree, but consider that people is always ready to pay to satisfy sex needs due to addiction.

a) Too niched is for too few people.
Wrong, consider that the more we go on the more people is connected to the internet, the more potential customers come up. The world population growth...

c) Such niched content doesn't exist
It can exist or it can be made. Serious studios have serious performers with serious contracts. Hiring 15-20 performers and shooting 3-4 scenes with each performer would end up in having up to 100 scenes, hundreds hours of takes and releases, meaning more than 6 months of rebills by releasing a scene every 3 days on a user-basis model. Up to one year by releasing once a week.

d) Once the content get's shared...
I agree, but only partially. Once the content get's shared it's the end of it, but consider that few specific well-known scenes means a simpler and quicker way to get them removed from tubes.

This was the old school.
Now my own view of the porn industry future.

The Fantasy scenario: this kind of users are less addicted but thanks god they are way more than gonzo ones and easier to be converted into sales. Most of people approach at porn as a joke, moved by simple but very powerful erotic dreams.

1) The user likes to dream about sex so looks for scenes where there's a story around sex. Let's say he looks for MILF content. All that the user needs to do is to type the tube's domain into the browser and he is done!
The conversion ratio is obviously ZERO.

2) After a bit the user starts to be annoyed by always the same MILFs walking naked on pool attracting the muscled pool boy to fuck him. He starts looking for an involving reality story of a MILF catching the inexperienced stepdaughter having sex with her boyfriend and ending up teaching her how to please a man by helping her to fuck the boy.
Reality King produced so much of this content that all other productions copied them. So tubes are full of this stuff.
The problem, in this case, is in the self-conclusing scene which is still too centered on the sex and still not enough on the story.
What if the scene doesn't end and sends to the next episode?
What if the scene doesn't end with the usuam cum-on-face but with an history twist leading to a presumable but not sure next scene or a "To be continued"?

Big productions still make self-conclusing stuff with no big involvement.

3) Assuming to follow my idea of content, let's say that the user is now engrossed into the MILF story. He starts looking for an interaction between the MILF, the teen and the boy/boys man/men.
The next step would be to enlarge the fantasy to a more complex interaction, so the user looks for a story. Let's say he wants to see the MILF falling in love with the teen but this sex-love isn't returned, so MILF has to chase away the boy making him cheating teen with teen's best bed-friend making the teen catch them in action.
This is where the porn productions leak alot: they usually bulid a scene or a movie all the same way: a bit of story at the start, many many many many sex positions and always the same cumshot end.
They don't think out of the box by developing scripts in a more TV-Series fashion. Someone would say that if you look for specific actions you'd better to go to a webcams site, but that's not a story model, that is more a Porn 3.0 model. Having a story to follow is a different thing. A well done and complex script is more involving than any kind of live cam or well-done movie.
With such an evolution I'd bet conversions would be simply great.

4) The more complex the user's fantasy goes the more involved the user is, so now it comes what I call the "Porn 4.0".
Let me immagine that good production houses could build big member sites and inside them they could build an entire community of porn-watchers able to interact with the website and between each other.
I've seen lately very few (but very smart) porn productions getting requests from the users in order to build the content tailored around the specific requests.
I know that doing such thing for each user would be impossible and absolutely non-profitable, but building a community where people can interact and discuss about the evolutions of a story, maybe finally voting for 4-5 possible story evolutions (or better to give them different evolutions based on the taste of each slice of users) would bring the user experience to the real next level by meeting the tastes of the most.
In this scenario conversions would be very very high since they would exactly meet the user's needs.

5) Now, please, let me think BIG.
Let's say a production could give many things around the content by giving the access to a higher price. An example:

User buy acces to bigpornsite.com for a fixed quarterly access (3-4 months, no monthly and/or rebills) for $99,90 or a longer, a 6 months for $149,90 or yearly for $199,90 and gets exclusive access to:

- previous productions (stuff already got killed by tubes but in hd).
- current production porn-series.
- community where you can discuss and choose the story evolution.
- backstage content, pornstars interviews and extras.
- live streaming during the production & shooting days.
- bids for scene stuff (dress toys ecc..)
- tickets and invites to porstar's events and clubs.
- mobile content and apps.
- 3d vesions of the content.
- getting the original DVD/BlueRay at home or 1 month extra access.
- combine different offers by selecting the content or buy on demand
you got the idea!

This way you can keep any paysite/affiliate/user up and running and build a solid basis to the future. I know this involves investments and needt brave people to make it reality, but it all starts from us.

Untill we ask for something that shakes the whole adult internet, big productions will keep producing the same old shit again and again.

At least this is my opinion and I'd like to know yours.

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On a serious note...

1. Learn brevity. It will help you.
2. You have an interesting idea in that you're thinking 'out of the box.' Just like everything else, this industry is evolving constantly. Sometimes fast. Sometimes slow. But if you can be the one to drive a change... profit.

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The jizz biz was essentially killed when the "fans" took control and made it free.

For porn it doesn't matter how great the quality or how well it's shot or how hot the sex is because the fact of the matter is that in today's market content doesn't make any difference. We now have almost 2 generations that have been raised on free porn and 99.99% will never pay for porn. This however still wouldn't be so bad if the business model of "make money from advertising" could earn enough to pay the bills but the reality is doesn't earn enough to feed your pet budgie.

The way to earn an acceptable amount of money these days is

A) Produce porn for your local market only and provide a venue where the punters can see it.
By local I mean literally in your own geographic neighborhood using local talent.

B) Make your money from retail selling actual physical goods.

C) Be a pimp and use your porn videos as a catalog to show case your girls.

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wow, this is really inspired me a lot

XSAXS

Interesting take. Mostly on track.

But I don't think it's as black as many think. Here's the deal...

I watched the Cubs game in Chicago last night. It was rainy and 40 degrees. Super cold. Super windy. And the stadium was packed with 41,000 people who paid between $25 and $200 per seat + parking + dogs + beer +++

And here's what I'm thinking.... EVERY HORNY DUDE in that stadium jerks it on the daily.... the reason they're not buying our product is because we're not offering the RIGHT PRODUCT.

Offer the right product -- to the right guy -- at the right time -- and he will endure almost any inconvenience to buy it.

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SevY

Oh, finally an answer that makes sense.

This is what I was meaning with my example, but on a larger scale.

The industry stopped trying to understand consumers tastes and started to impose them.

That's where the problem is.

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I'm 100% on track plus in case you didn't realized A, B and C are products.

A = A porn produced using women that actually live in your neighborhood and broadcasted only to men that live in your neighborhood.

B = Sex toys, memorabilia, used panties, etc. All of them are products.

C = The girls are the product and porn is the catalog.

All of them are safe from piracy and tube sites. For anyone that wants to make serious money they need to create porn products that can't have their value destroyed by the Internet.

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XSAXS

Whoa. Hold on. I agree with you. You're right. How else do you want me to say it?

That's why I said "mostly on track."

The point I'm trying to make is that we shouldn't waste time being cynical and pissed off about the industry -- like everyone on this board seems to be.

Instead, we should be refining our product offerings. Inventing. Evolving. Adapting... Just as you described.

Paul Markham

A) 99.9% of people go to work to earn the most they can for the amount of effort they're willing to put in. So they usually choose the best route for them personally.

B) No one has any real loyalty in business if that loyalty effects their bottom line.

C) Now recorded porn is free there's little future for it. Even the biggest will slowly shrink as their only possible growth is picking up customers because of the closure of competitors. 99.9999% of those coming online either don't have money for porn or already want it for free.

D) Micro niche, all porn is niched so I assume you mean micro fetish niches, is small. That's why it's called niche. The cost of producing a good distinctive from competitors products doesn't warrant the sales most sites can achieve.

To produce enough content to keep enough loyal customers to enable a site to produce one good video a day. Isn't possible for most sites. The cost of good content runs into $1,000s per scene. I know people claim to shoot 5-10 scenes a day for $500. But that's not good content, especially in the fetish market.

And still there the problem of Tubes. https://www.pornhub.com/categories https://www.pornhub.com/video?c=18 tell me what's missing that's still going to get great sales.

Here's a better idea. Surfer is charged the lowest possible 1 off price billing will allow, for access to a site containing 10-15 videos, with access to the main site but not able to open any of the content. He sees the quality and style the main site offers without spending $30 on a recurring membership. The "Sampler" site offers links to sign up for full membership and the site gets his email address.

Most of this has been done.

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notinmybackyard

Sorry I didn't understand what you were getting at.


Cynicism has it's place in business if for no other reason then it kills delusions of grandeur.

Business, of most kinds, are non-sustainable on the Internet.

In the short term there can be momentary "Blips" as people get excited about a new platform or a different technology. But sites fall in and out of favor with the general public and reliance on technology is often very unpredictable due to the extreme competition among tech developers and the fickle nature of the public. For example investment of labor resources and financial resources in virtual reality could quickly become a monetary dead end.

The consumer is a screaming baby with a bad case of colic. He seldom knows what he wants until he's given something that stimulates him. Unfortunately our consumers are over-stimulated and what they want is even greater stimulation. Which under the traditional Internet porn video business models can only be accomplished in the very extreme short terms.

The moment something we produce becomes popular it immediately gets distributed by the pirates and the tube sites. Add to this that each distribution effectively creates another copy of the video and we have a market that instead of rewarding growth kills it while simultaneously saturating itself with copies of the video and driving down its value.

Anyone using the Internet has to imagine a way of exploiting it without suffering the above two effects.

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FiveStrats

What I see as the next big goldrush in the adult biz: Virtual Reality via Smartphones.

Putting the buyer INTO the experience of the action will have them hand over their money and thank you for taking it.

Technology is developing rapidly while lowering in cost to where everyone will have access to solid VR set ups.

The market has not disappeared at all.. Only the consumption model changed.

Adapt or die.

SevY

Once again another 100% good comment.

I agree on it but VR is just ONE of the countless possible evolutions in the porn industry.

What I'm pointing the figer to is that poor quality of IDEAS behind the porn productions.

Porn producers still threat porn as a "do but don't say" thing while it's pretty clear that porn became a new kind of lifestile.

People's life nowdays goes around the internet. Everyone is social, everyone is connected, everyone is in "the internet generation".

Considering the numbers, 99% of this everyone is also a "porn consumer".

Otherwise how can you justify PornHub, LiveJasmin, Xvideos and YouPorn on the same Alexa's page as Facebook, Youtube, Amazon and Netflix?

But while Facebook develops opens it's platform to programmers, while Youtube becomes the new Golbal media source, while Amazon opens the first online and offline line-free grocery store and while Netflix produces it's own series and movies based on consumers' feedback the adult industry still sells the same 20 years old 4:3 Low Definition movie on a website called "Vintage Porn".

Making money means investing money, but I doubtr a webmaster, even the biggest one, could invest 10 millions on his own to balance the lack opf ideas & investments of the industry.

So as long as we think it's a cool idea to resell that John Holmes' 70's movie for $1 access we should not be allowed to bitch & complain when our stats at ShittyVintageCash.com show a 1:61,347,789,476,981,577 conversion ratio from 1s Jan 1996 to 31 Dec 2017.

When Google releases the new "Google Doodle" in home page do you think they do it to get profits on people asking for amusement or because they want to bring the smile on sad people's mouth?

Porn is an industry and MUST evolve. But they won't evolve untill we won't evolve and will keep working 24/7 for a bunch of coins.

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Fine and dandy but how are you going to monetize it?

If or when VR starts becoming popular the same pirates and tube sites will be giving it away for free. The subscription model will die just as fast and no one is going to tolerate advertising in VR.

As for VR and cams,
There'll be short period of success as actual studios come online. But VR will require multiple cameras and possibly the need for camera men in order to fully exploit the technology. Therefore live shows will be difficult and one of the biggest reasons webcam girls do what they do is because they don't have to leave their homes.

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They said the same about HD and 3D. How do you stop sites giving away VR content for free to get traffic?

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The monetization will come via the platform from provider. Look at folks such as @model centro who figured out how to create a platform for the model to use versus a model having a webmaster and staff. $tandaman's offering is pretty slick.. (I am not here to promote Model Centro, I just know Stan from the old days at the ditmas deli)

Something else I see coming: The model sets HER prices for access and members will pay for the level of access they get into her site/life/settings.

The technology is becoming more immersive, compact and compelling each day.

notinmybackyard

I agree but I'll also add that the jizz biz is also ruled by the absolute stupid.

Again I agree but add that there's always going to be some "new big thing." It's like we're chickens with our heads cut off running back and forth from one supposed innovation to another. Each time we embrace something different the clowns also adapt and start giving it away again.


I know a few girls who were on model centro and they gave up trying to make a buck from it. This geocities approach of providing a platform always has a certain amount of success based purely upon the numbers of people that a certain fantasy about sex and easy money. In the end most don't last more than a handful of months.

While the smart girls figure out real fast that they don't need a site or have to work 1/5 as hard in order to rinse punters for big bucks.

But that's another debate. With regards to VR the problem is that there are 2 types of VR. The first is very flat and is basically no more than a television mounted in a pair of glasses. The second is fully interactive and that's going to be hell for the average webcam girl to produce. The webcam girl will need multiple cameras, a dedicated work area and a shitload of bandwidth. Compared to today all she needs is a laptop, cheap webcam and Internet access.

Interactive VR is a bitch to create even for a fully equipped production house. You have to anticipate and film every possible angle and every possible decision/action the viewer is going to make. VR will work great in video games and probably great if the models are completely computer generated existing only in virtual But from a producer's point of view I have to film hours of footage for finished product of minutes.

Regardless of how good the technology might get I don't even want to consider the cost for producing a fully interactive VR porn.

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XSAXS

I'm guessing VR will be a moderate success. Better than 3D was.

But I'm thinking AI and sex robot devices will be the biggest "next big thing" we've ever seen. Who needs a relationship with a real person when you can have your own harem of sex slaves?

baddog

About the same

Paul Markham

It is now.


They're not clowns. In business, it's every man for himself. Live porn is the only thing that can't be given away and as 90% of men are happy to jerk off to recorded it will always be a minor player.


It's very simple. 1 million people prepared to pay, divided by 1,000 models = the best girls make a good to great living. The rest struggle to do OK.

Very few models are smart. They're the ones that make the best money.

Porn is like most things in life, some are very good at it, a lot are OK and some are piss poor. Just because a person can run, doesn't make them all potential Olympic contestants. Therefore it goes that just because a girl has a pussy it doesn't make her a good porn model. Over the years I've known a lot of very good porn models, they all had a few things in common. Moderately pretty to attractive, loved getting naked, loved fucking, had a sluttish side and were outgoing.


The desperate will grasp anything that they think might turn things around. Good VR is far too expensive and will end up[ contrived to make an impact in porn.

A great scene is great in SD, a crap scene is still crap in VR.

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I totally agree with XSAXS.

I'd bet much more on hardware devices connected to performers compared to VR shows. Or maybe a combination of both.

However the point is still about evolving.

Let me give you a tip about how people in this business evolve or not.

Women (usually cam girls) seem to be smarter than men (usually webmasters/producers) just because they look at things from outside while they are inside it, ending up having an unusual vision of the tastes from a totally different perspective.

One of the cam girls that is making my fortune over several white labels I own is a girl that I follow and talk with from time to time, who reinvented herself and making her fortune in turn.

- She started with shy and clumsy camshows as any other girl but she immediately realized that making the difference would have brought her the money and success she was looking for.

- So, some years ago, she decided to make the difference by doing shows with a "wheel of fortune" she recovered from the kids tv game box by covering the prices names with sex actions. The idea was so cool that many girls on the network copied it. However, since she was the 1st she got alot of success and money.

- Once the idea was copied she reinvented hersenf once ahain. I'm talking about years ago when she decided to make the difference by doing shows with a Samsung Galaxy S-II mobile phone outdoors in the most strange places. "No matter the quality of the video" she said, "the envolvement is what really counts". She invested in a smartphone and connectivity and started making alot once again. The girls on the site copied her once again.

- Some time later the Sybian trend exploded, and guess what? She invested in a Sybian and several accessories than she "personalized" the show buying a power inverter at the chinese shop in order to connect the Sybian to he car and carrying it around the city. Her car shows were focused on showing to the folks the best monuments in Budapest (it was a dman fucking cultural camshow!) than parking near them and riding the Sybian. She did that kind of show just 3-4 maybe 5 times but they were the most interesting things I've ever seen from a camgirl. Some months later it was a huge prolification of girls traveling around cities with vibrators in the car.

- There are other girls like her. An example is from 2 of my fellow countrywomen whom run a very little shop (I think they don't even pay the bills with it) and do shows getting naked on turn in the back shop or serving the rare clients staying without panties on a pussy camera under the counter of the store.

And while women think big and do big I still see webmasters on forums like this complaining because "this month's conversions on UglyCouplesFucking.com are shitty".

This kind of webmasters remind me of the other kind of camgirls. I'm talking about those bored, tired, weary black women on the last pages of any cam site eternally sitting on a bed always ready to yell and scream to anyone who enter the room asking if they do anal.

So who you wanna be, the Hungarian tourist guide babe taking her risks but making her fortune or the black skank spurning her sole hope of making money?

The choice is up to you. But if you ask me I'd bet on renewing the approach to the paysite, not just "the content".

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notinmybackyard

As much as you and I can agree on many things we still see things differently. Nothing wrong with that because if we were all the same the world and sex would be boring. Now we can't have that can we?

I'll be the first to admit that I create crap and considering I've got one foot in retirement I'm still making decent money. But my approach has been to find ways to avoid the Internet by modifying my product lines so they're not something that can be fully experienced (or uploaded) to it. Retail and providing a venue for punters to suck each other off comprise the majority of my income.

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SevY

Which way exactly?

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A) I produce porn using only local talent. IE. Women you see on the bus, in the supermarket, etc. They're not necessarily pretty or young but they're all either whores or swingers.

I provide a place which is a cleaned up warehouse in an industrial area. There men pay to see those videos and basically have gay sex with each other. Every so often I organize a gangbang using one or more of the girls or a swinger's party. (Which of course I charge more)


B) I sell retail goods. This includes the old shit I've accumulated from 5 decades in this business, items that are used in my videos, sex toys, lingerie for crossdressers and recently I've been selling LPs of the broads. Again it's all sold out of the warehouse.

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"There is no money in porn"??? Yet I and many others still make six figures from selling porn. Imagine that. Oh wait, you can't. You look for excuses.

If you can sell ice to an eskimo (or Evian to a thirsty customer who could go to a tap and get free water) then you can sell ANYTHING.

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SevY

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to criticize you or anyone, but this is one of the saddest things and business models I've ever heard of in my whole life.

I see things from a programmer point of view, so when I approach to the porn market I just think about people having some addicted fun to porn scenes and hot pornstars.

Yours is more a pimp approach, so it sounds very gross and unappliable to me and to my morality.

Anyway I finally understand your critics to this thread. But your job has almost nothing to do with the internet IMHO.

You don't get the point.

I'm what you call "a man", cause I'm one of those who still sells half liter Evian bottles to many thirsty customers thanks to a 23 years-old experience in online adult biz.

It happens that Evian wholesaler (MindGeek Inc. if I'm not wrong) started giving away half liter bottles to anyone in order to sell it's new TWO LITERS new big Evian bottles.

And guess what? Evian won't release any 2 liters reseller license to anyone. Byt they will keep the 1/2 liter license to all the resellers whom are still struggling to sell them.

And if it happens that resellers jumping through hoops to sell freebies have a zero profit period, there's a chance to loose the freebies reseller license.

But hey, why the hell customers should get FREE bottles at the hi-tech fingerprint reader kiosk when they could PAY for water at our wooden fleapit? It absolutely makes sense and it's perfectly in-line with notinmybackyard's approach.

Anyway notthing against you, I'm signed up with all of your affiliate programs and I'm doing good with them.

I'm just pointing to the fact that big players are monopolizing the whole marked on webmasters backs and with webmasters' approval.

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notinmybackyard

I don't believe you just invoked the "morality clause."

I've been at this game for approximately 5 decades Claudine Beccarie was both a friend and my contact into the industry. During my career I've filmed girls such as Bridget Lahaie, Marilyn Chambers, etc. and made deals with men such as Mickey Zaffarano. With all due respect I'm an old man that's probably forgotten more about what it takes to make money off of Tits and ass than most of today's smut peddlers know.

The Internet is a black hole that consumes content in an ever increasing exponential amounts. Add to this almost all of the tech companies don't actually create content but find ways to parasitically use the artistic creations of others without paying for it while simultaneously devaluing it. I've been a patron of the arts (I'm not just a smut pusher) for almost 20 years and in that time I've seen incredible works of art reduced to worthlessness because of the Internet despite being hyper popular.

I'm not saying the Internet doesn't have it's uses or its place in the jizz biz. I back several sites and other jizz biz Internet based ventures and my criticism is always that the amount of labor investment is really high when compared to other options. Furthermore today's Internet porn environment is dominated by a less than a handful of players that control at least 90% of what's viewed by men. - There isn't much wiggle room left and it's getting less every day.

Over the years I've heard/read the exact same arguments as yours and the fact remains that I'm still here and they're not. I spend approximately $2k to $5k to produce a video and I've got punters that come almost every single day spending $20 each time to watch the same video that won't change for a month and I don't even have to mop up the place when it closes.

I can go fishing and play with my great grandchildren every day while still adding to the money that I'll leave them when I'm gone. The women in porn are paid to fuck so don't fool yourself into believing that they're not all whores and if you've got a morality problem with that fact then you're in the wrong business.

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OldJeff

Cool story bro

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Matyko

you've lost me at :

"1) The user likes to watch tranny content. Bug tubes like XVideos or PornHub are so damn filled of this content that trying to re-sell it in higher resolution is useless. The conversion ratio is basically ZERO."

We are selling tranny content on xvideos with huge success.
We are selling EVERY kind of content well on tubes, with decent conversions.
I think you are wrong and that something else is wrong, and you blame it on the tubes.
For example: the clips you cut might be shit. Too short, too long, too LQ too HQ who knows. But if you can't convert it it is YOUR fault.

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SevY

Sad to see that almost nobody got the point of the thread.

I'm doing fine too with tubes.

But getting an average of $3000-4000 usd/month including signups, cams and cross-sales isn't what I call "making a fortune".

When the top technology of 33.6 Kbaud modems forced the average user to wait 30 seconds to watch a picture it was enough to add some text to the page pretending that the not-yet-well-known amateur pornstar depicted in it was a horny housewife waiting for him in the visual-basic htaccess protected members area "to show the kinkiest pictures ever".

It was much easier to play the psycological game by accomplishing the user's fantasy in a way or another.

Nowdays, with the help of my ?29/month 1,2 Gbps home fiber optic cable I can find and collect all the filmography of a brand new pornstar in a matter of minutes if not seconds.

And since I'm a geek I can store it on my cheap amazon drive and/or save it all on my home NAS and stream it on every single device in my building.

And all this without paying a single dime.

In 1998 there was no P2P concept and a single phone dialer turned some kids into business men. Today a business man thinks twice before investing into new projects due to evolving biz schemes.

Posting Jenna Jameson in 8k or Lisa Ann in 3D 4k won't change the final consumers' perception. But changing the way porn is made maybe will resume a business model that is going to hell.

Times are changed and the adult industry has to change likewise.

That's my 2c.

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notinmybackyard

No shit Sherlock.

The rest of us have been dealing with for at least the last 10 years. If you've got something new to bring to the table then please do so but otherwise your 5000 word essays are useless. Even if 3D, 4k, Virtual Reality, etc aren't going to make a hill of beans worth of difference at least they're bringing something to the table to discuss.

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Bladewire

Yeah it's interesting seeing this pop up every now and then over the last 18 years. If you're not constantly ahead of the curve in researching & marketing on new viable platforms, and adapting to new tech (4k, 360,8k, CGI porn actors,etc.) then your income , relevance will slowly fade away

So many fake nics posting here now ugh

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