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04-09-2017, 03:31 PM | #1 |
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Russian naval activity in Europe exceeds Cold War
BERLIN (Reuters) - Recent Russian naval activity in Europe exceeds levels seen during the Cold War, a top U.S. and NATO military officer said, voicing concern that the distributed nature of the deployments could end up "splitting and distracting" the transatlantic alliance. Navy Admiral Michelle Howard, who heads NATO's Allied Joint Force Command in Naples and commands U.S. naval forces in Europe and Africa, said Russia had clearly stepped up its naval actions in recent years although the size of its navy was smaller now than during the Cold War era. "We're seeing activity that we didn't even see when it was the Soviet Union. It's precedential activity," Howard told Reuters in an interview late on Saturday during a missile defense conference. Howard cited a wide range of activities, including Russia's deployment of its Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier to the Mediterranean, increased patrols in the north Atlantic and Arctic region, significant out-of-area submarine deployments, and submarine movement in the Black Sea. "They're a global navy, I understand that. But the activity in this theater has substantially moved up in the last couple of years," Howard said. She said there was a danger that members of the NATO alliance would focus on the area of interest closest to them, while losing sight of Russian activities in other areas. "When ... you think about what happens when they move forces around, you look at the alliance and they end up splitting and distracting the view of the alliance," she said. Howard's comments came amid a sharp escalation in tensions between Russia and the United States after Washington launched 59 cruise missiles against an air base in Syria in retaliation for a deadly toxic gas attack that killed scores of people. article...
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Russia launches its most powerful submarine ever | Daily Mail Online Russian Military Unveils Its Most Powerful Nuclear Submarine Yet, with Kalibr Cruise Missiles Russia adds 'Kazan' to its nuclear attack submarine fleet Russia unveils Kazan nuclear sub, a powerful new weapon in its naval arsenal | Fox News |
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The sanctions placed on Russia have been very effective since they targeted the MOB within the government. Putins very public aggressive stance has proven that.
It provides a double whammy when you consider the low oil prices and lower revenue for them since they stole the oil company's from their rightful owners. They can not sustain a wider engagement for very long. Whatever they do in the next 6 months will be with a limited time-frame in mind. The operations in Syria are fairly costly to them so additional long-term engagements are unlikely. Putin has his own political problems at home so he must activate nationalism by challenging the US to maintain his power which is very much weaker lately. Saber rattling. All very interesting to see how the next few months will be played. I expect to see a bunch of headlines that have little overall meaning in the grander picture. But could stir up things in the US. |
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I call horse shit, I was part of the cold war and the Russian Fleet is no where near the size of the USSR Fleet
Size of Russian Navy compared to Soviet fleet - Business Insider
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If major powers used tactical nuclear weapons half the world would be a parking lot and the survivors would need protective suits and breathing apparatus to venture above ground.
Shit-holes not worth bombing would be the only inhabitable places on the planet. Buying property in Africa or South America might make sense if this is the future you see. |
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Wow really guys?
Here are facts: TOP NAVIES IN WORLD. 1. US NAVY The US NAVAL FORCE is the most powerful and capable navy in the world. It has 12 aircraft carriers in service, 2 in reserve and 1 carrier under construction which are more in numbers than combining the Aircraft carriers of rest of the world. The Naval Force includes. 12 Aircraft carrier, 2 in reserve, 1 under construction. 10 Amphibious attack ships. 53 Assault submarines. 14 Anti mines 30 Frigates. 21 landing vessels. 60 destroyers. 22 cruisers. 2 corvette. 100 Patrol vessels 18 missile submarines. RUSSIAN NAVY The Russian Navy possesses the majority of Soviet Naval Forces and currently comprises of the Northern Fleet, The Russian Fleet, The Russian Black Sea Fleet, The Russian Baltic Fleet, The Russian Caspian Flotilla, Naval Aviation and coastal troops. (Consisting of naval infantry and coastal missile and artillery troops). Russian Navy has following vessels in their fleet: 1 Aircraft Carrier. 1 Amphibious Attack Ship. 32 Attack submarine. 42 anti-mines. 4 cruisers. 81 corvettes. 16 Destroyers. 10 Frigates. 68 patrol vessels. 6 Landing vessels 4 Missile submarine Country 2015 Country 2016 United States $616bn United States $622bn China $181bn China $191.8bn United Kingdom $53.5bn United Kingdom $53.8bn Russian Federation $51.8bn India $50.7bn Sorry on the spacing of the last chart....it came out messed up but as you can see, Russia spend 1 billion more than India..............yeah |
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The video above is a demonstration of an obsolete (not produced anymore) Soviet cruise missile SS-N-22 Sunburn made in 70s-80s of the past century and those were not even equipped with tactical nukes which is "a must" nowadays. Nobody will attack an aircraft carrier battle group like Japs in a Midway style. One tactical nuke exploded 50-100 meters above the floating circus will do the trick. Use of tactical nukes against the US air carriers is a part of Russian military doctrine. You say that nukes will turn the attacked territory into a parking lot. That's wrong, comrade. The fallout of modern tactical nukes is extremely low, comparing to the ones uses in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. How many nuclear tests were made in the Soviet Union and in the USA right near the populated places? I've been to Las Vegas a few times and it does not look like a nuclear desert, I swear.
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Are you high? How exactly cruise missiles can be used to stop them?
Have these cruise missiles helped us to prevent a terrorist attack in Spb metro? Maybe they could prevent the attack in Sweden? You should quit with drugs, comrade, because...
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Also to destroy a city like Vegas I'm sure you Russians have at least 10 nukes pointed in that direction.. It's not a case of a single nuke going off, it would be 100s.. That's where the whole nuclear winter/desert idea comes from.. That many nukes going off world wide would have fall off.. Sure people would survive but it's not gonna be fun.. |
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Leader: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Headquarters: Raqqa, Syria In Syria, the group conducted ground attacks on both government forces and opposition factions, and by December 2015 it held a large area in western Iraq and eastern Syria containing an estimated 2.8 to 8 million people, where it enforced its interpretation of sharia law. ISIL is now believed to be operational in 18 countries across the world, including Afghanistan and Pakistan, with "aspiring branches" in Mali, Egypt, Somalia, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and the Philippines. As of 2015, ISIL is estimated to have an annual budget of more than USD$1 billion and a force of more than 30,000 fighters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islami...and_the_Levant |
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I think we're gonna see a lot of military grandstanding to keep the FBI investigations out of the media.
I hope it's real and we beat down NK , then I hope we go-to South China Sea, and Russia gets a new president, and we work with Russia to beat down China and destroy those man-made islands. Then we let Russias new president take care of Syria's Assad in an ethical way with our backup if requested. Then we lift sanctions on Russia's new president and make lots of money together taking oil from Antarctica with the help of Canada and the New Britain |
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>Sure people would survive but it's not gonna be fun..
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2) I'm talking about tactical nukes (just a few times more powerful than those exploded over Hiroshima and Nagasaki) that have to be used for rather small targets like the US aircraft carrier battle groups, the missile defense systems in Poland etc. Those are not WMDs. The missiles that will be launched at Las Vegas and other cities is a way different story. Those are strategic ones. One SS-18 missile aka Satan is able to burn out a whole state like Texas. So please don't confuse tactical nukes with strategic ones. 3) I have used Las Vegas as en example of a city, located near the nuke testing zone. Quote:
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There are 18 Ohio class SSBNs (Nuclear powered) US Submarines 14 with ballistic missiles and 4 retrofitted with tactical cruise missiles.
They are either a preemptive first strike capability or a doomsday assurance. The earth will not survive as we know it in the event of a nuclear war -- so the argument is pointless -- 90% of humanity would end up dead from a nuclear war within just a few years. You sure you want you childrens generation to be the race of the mole-people ? We cannot realistically destroy all the nuclear and chemical weapons in the world and even if we could man would make them again. One day we are doomed. The mutant cockroaches may inherit the earth one day. |
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I'm absolutely fine with that. If Poland would have nukes, current ministry of defense would start ww3 in 10 minutes...
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why not ? I dont understand ? It only requires some will on all sides.
I said already: 50 MT to few biggest countries, 10 MT to smaller ones, thats all. If humanity can create bots, robots, nanotechnology, heal people, surveil people and nations...I dont nderstand where would be the problem here ? |
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it is still too much though.
should be like 1-2 MT for big players and 100-200 KT for small players |
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I think if the US, China, Russia, Britain, EU ect.. ever attacked another naval ship of their adversary it would mean all out war including nukes.. (I'm talking ships from the big boy countries) I'd say the only navy ships that anyone could attack with out it being all out war would be from third world shit holes.. Like the Somalian pirate Navy.. lol they are ok to sink.. Now with that said, I could possibly see a sub getting taken out but it would be extremely risky for any of the big hitter to do..The reason I say a sub, is because it would take a long time to determine "why" it went down which would be enough time to cool down the situation. For instance, I could see someone taking out say one of Iran's diesel/electric subs because no way could Iran ever prove who took it out. They could claim it was the US all day long but no one would listen to them because they aren't reliable source of info. For the record the US had tactical nukes that were launched like a mortar charge. Ironically they were called the "Davy Crockett" my dad used to work on them when he was in the military, this was during Vietnam.. (no that's not where my name came from) |
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stupid people. btw. SARN !!! How are your English lessons going ? Do Directorate still dont want to spend money on english courses for its valuable foreign influencers ? come on ! tell them to fuck off. if they wont start to pay you for english course, threaten them that you will stop posting |
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february 2014: EU dictators Verhofstadt and friends travel to Ukraine to rile up the people against Russia. When for example the Turkish officials travel to the Netherlands to rile up the people from Turkey they get kicked out. But when it's the other way around (EU puppets doing it in other countries) it's all good.
Due to this and other interferences we have the Russia - Ukraine conflict with the downing of MH17, which still hasn't been resolved and the release of documents which go into detail have just been stopped by professional liar and traitor, Dutch prime minister Rutte: https://www.ninefornews.nl/rutte-mh1...menten-geheim/ (Click on English for a google translate translation) march - april 2016: NATO doing military "exercises" along the whole European - Russian border to provoke Russia. Meanwhile campaigning Clinton is also busy with her demonization of Russia every time she opens her mouth, to condition the people Russia is bad. So for over 2 years now the NATO, EU and US establishment are spreading anti-Russia propaganda and doing anti-Russia actions. When i can see that, do you really think Russia doesnt see that? Does it surprise you that in this hostile environment against them created by the NATO, EU and US establishment, they have increased their navy presence? |
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EU went the propaganda route in Ukraine. Russia went the military route to counter that. And i thought the focus on Syria was ISIS? Who has almost defeated them in Syria? Why is the focus on Assad all the time when ISIS is still organizing terror attacks? Or have you forgot about the christians slaughtered in Egypt already? Or the people in Stockholm? Yet somehow Assad gets all the press while we heard NOTHING about him in western media for 15 years? Think. |
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You never see the errors of dictators Putin, Erdogan & Assad in any way. There is no discussion with you it's 100% propaganda from you supporting dictators Putin, Erdogan & Assad. This is not normal conversation that people have on your part it's very manufactured. You are 100% ignore the facts and believe what I say, that is not normal, that is dictator mentality. |
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And only taking one side 100% of the time is propaganda not natural.
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Look what launched today...........will be armed with 75 of these as well ALso we launched a brand new Destroyer out of Virginia. The (problematic F35) got a 15-1 kill ratio in full on combat simulations with other 5th gen fighters. Only one that can beat it is our own F-22 Raptor, wish we had more of those, good job congress for fucking that up. |
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This is the same scam as the old scam. I suppose it will never end. Killer robot soldiers are just around the corner they will be supported by killer drones -- you want to terrorize that is the way to do it -- not with multi billion dollar floating arsenals. And for a fuck of a lot less money. The USA won't be the only one to have them either. |
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