Bladewire

Russia says Gay men don't exist evidently, thus cannot be missing and killed. And so it begins...

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Chechnya?s leader claims there are no gay people in the Russian region. A gay rights activist is seen being detained by police during an LGBT community rally in Moscow in 2015

?You cannot arrest or repress people who just don?t exist in the republic,? spokesman Alvi Karimov said in a statement obtained by Radio Free Europe on Saturday. ?If such people existed in Chechnya, law enforcement would not have to worry about them, as their own relatives would have sent them to where they could never return.?

More than 100 gay men have been detained and at least three have been killed by authorities in Chechnya, according to a Russian newspaper cited Saturday in The New York Times.

The disturbing report from Novaya Gazeta, which cites government and police sources, follows a week of rumors about gay men mysteriously disappearing off the streets of the Russian republic, the Times reports.

Dozens of men between the ages of 16 and 50 have been detained ?in connection with their nontraditional sexual orientation, or suspicion of such,? according to Novaya Gazeta as quoted in the Times.

The report blamed local authorities for the men?s detention and identified three men as murder victims. It?s thought that the actual number of dead may be higher.

The mass detention of gay men is said to have followed attempts by gay rights groups to stage pride parades in cities across the country. The groups expected their requests for permits to be denied, but still filed them in hopes of taking them to the European Court of Human Rights, Slate reported.

The Russian Federation is known for its hostility to the LGBTQ community. Since 2013, it has upheld an anti-gay propaganda law that sharply curtails the public expression of LGBTQ identities.

Gay Men Are Being Rounded Up And Killed In Chechnya: Report | The Huffington Post

john1975

Lol.....

Matt 26z

This is going to come as a disappointment to you, snowflake, but Chechnya is predominantly muslim. These are mudslimes making these statements and murdering gays. Russians hate muslim Chechens. But you won't see that info in HuffPo's anti-Russia hit piece.

And that photo is from a gay rally in Moscow in 2015. Organizers didn't get a permit, so police started arresting those who wouldn't clear the area. The same thing can happen in the US. Notice how HuffPo didn't give those details in the caption, leading one to believe he was arrested for being gay.

You can't trust that HuffPo site. They are to 2017 what Fox News was to 2005. Lying by omission.

Bladewire

Are you Russian? You sure are defending Russia and making excuses, and ignoring Russia's history & current political environment.

The story was broke by this Russian newspaper

https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles...biystvo-chesti

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/0...aper-says.html

MOSCOW ? First, two television reporters vanished. Then a waiter went missing. Over the past week, men ranging in age from 16 to 50 have disappeared from the streets of Chechnya.

On Saturday, a leading Russian opposition newspaper confirmed a story already circulating among human rights activists: The Chechen authorities were arresting and killing gay men.

While abuses by security services in the region, where Russia fought a two-decade war against Islamic insurgents, have long been a stain on President Vladimir V. Putin?s human rights record, gay people had not previously been targeted on a wide scale.

The men were detained ?in connection with their nontraditional sexual orientation, or suspicion of such,? the newspaper, Novaya Gazeta, reported, citing Russian federal law enforcement officials, who blamed the local authorities.

By Saturday, the paper reported, and an analyst of the region with her own sources confirmed, that more than 100 gay men had been detained. The newspaper had the names of three murder victims, and suspected many others had died in extrajudicial killings.

OneHungLo

I like how he conveniently ignored the first image..




That would go against his but but but we vet them...

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Matt 26z

"While abuses by security services in the region, where Russia fought a two-decade war against Islamic insurgents, have long been a stain on President Vladimir V. Putin’s human rights record, gay people had not previously been targeted on a wide scale."


TRANSLATION: Russia has lost control of the mudslimes in that region and they are now practicing full sharia law.

Remember, libtards in the USA want sharia law to be a legal option in courts here. That is how it starts. Next thing you know, there are no-go zones and the US, like Russia, has full sharia zones.


Montana Democrats Vote Against Bill Banning Sharia Law, Call It ‘Repugnant’
Democrats in Montana have opposed a bill banning the use of foreign law in its state courts on the grounds that such legislation would target Muslims.
Montana Democrats Vote Against Bill Banning Sharia Law, Call It 'Repugnant' - Breitbart

OneHungLo

And that's exactly why you don't let those muslime animals into your country.

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Bladewire

So you defend Putin by saying it's Russian Muslims that Putin despises :thumbs

Report: Chechnya police arrest 100 alleged gays, 3 killed | Fox News

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Matt 26z

Sorry, but your muslim friends really are behind these gay killings. I'm sure you didn't know.

The mudslimes in this region are a big problem for Russia. There have been wars and terror attacks (the Beslan school attack being the most notorious).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechn...and_insurgency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheche...ssian_conflict
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

The muslims that killed these gays come from the same vein of islamic extremists who killed nearly 400 white Russian kids in the Beslan school. But you won't see HuffPo or NY Times framing it out that way. The Russia-Trump evil bedfellows narrative is much too important for full facts.

JesseQuinn

do you really mean that or are those 'just' words you're throwing around?

I ask cuz either way I can't think of any time, ever, in the history of our species, that dehumanizing those who differ has ever worked out in a way that wasn't completely fucking awful

with that in mind what is the purpose for those of y'all who follow those systems of thought, knowing where they lead?

genuine questions if you're down for em, not trying to take pot shots

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klinton

dont expect any answers that make sense from him...
(and no, I dont support islamist extremists , i think that their ideology is as dangerous as fascism/nazizm)

just a punk

I'm Russian and everything he said is correct. Chechnya formally is a Russian territory but in fact it has nothing to do with Russia. It's a Muslim state controlled by a single man who is like a Sultan there. They live by Sharia. The Russian law is a formal thing in Chechnya. Many people constantly just disappear there and nobody cares. Nobody, including you... while they are not gay. Two years ago Russian FSB group has came to Chechnya to question a suspect in murder of Nemtsov and was unable to do that, because it was simple blocked by Chechen police. Make your conclusions now.



P.S. The picture in your post was made in Moscow on summer 2015.

Don't post bullshit. Russia is not anti-gay at all. We have no anti-gay laws or something like that. Most of pop celebrities here are open gays. There are more gay clubs in Moscow than in some average EU country.

Yes, most of Russians are non-tolerant to gay parades. So what? Do you know what is democracy? It is a power of majority. If you are a gay, a zoophile, a geranophile, a coprofag or anything else - be it, nobody cares. Just don't show it off on the streets to the others - respect the feelings of majority. The main reason why gay parades are forbidden in Russia is that police may not be able to protect gay minority against the straight majority. Wanna parade? Go to a gay club and do it there. What's the problem? And course it's not a good idea to live in Chechnya or any other Muslim state if you are a gay.

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Well, they are turd burglers. Cops always arrest burglars.

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EthanJoy

I think humanity has reached a level of hate that is way out of my understanding! We hate on people because of their sexual orientation, religious beliefs, gender and many more. Every day! Almost daily I read something like this! Is it so easy and so necessary to judge and condemn somebody?

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john1975

Thx for traumatising me for the day.

Could a mod remove that pic of dead children? That shouldn't be allowed anywhere.

nico-t

lol... nice fake news post, bladeshill.

pimpmaster9000

well str8 men are being rounded up in the USA and gay raped in US gov buildings...das fucked up too IMO

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Barry-xlovecam

Chechnya is not Russia it is a southern republic that the Russian Federation kept for what reasons?

Sarn

It is Putin's pocket isis

just a punk

I duno. Ask Putin.

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Sarn

Chechnya it is Russia. (the worst part)

just a punk

Ironically Barry-xlovecam knows it better than you. Chechnya is Chechnya. Russia is Russia. These are different republics. Chechnya has its own flag, its own laws and even its own president. So Chechnya is not Russia and never been. On the other hand, both republics are parts of the Russian Federation.

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Bladewire

You're laughing at people being killed then "traumatised" by SEEING people who've been killed. You're fake nics are shit and your mind is trash.

Barry-xlovecam

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/...i-arabia-47493

Is it the oil reserves in Chechnya?

PR_Glen

No, the news is real, it's the context that he used is wrong. Big difference. Just because Bladewire doesn't understand what is going on in Chechnya doesn't make the whole story fake.

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Bladewire

Please explain where I was incorrect in representing what's happening. I've quoted 3 news sources and read them all but I could be missing something, it wouldn't be the first time lol. I'm open to learning and correcting any misunderstandings I might have cheers

Speigelau

I think Bladewire would be a great spokesperson for the repressed Russian lgbt community. Im starting a gofundme page to help send bladewire to Chechnya. His communication and organizational skills would be invaluable for starting rallies and protests to alert the world on what Russia is doing to gay men. We should all come together as one to help make this happen, will post the link shortly.

oppoten

It is not illegal to be gay in Russia.

just a punk

Right in the very first line of your post:

It's like I take words of the US KKK leader about blacks and make a statement like this: "The USA says that blacks are..."

You just did the same thing. People that rule in Chechnya and live by Sharia can not speak of Russia. WTF do you call them Russian Government?

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crockett

The problem with you alt-whites is you just lump everyone in one group as bad because you don't like muslims or brown or black people or whatever group is on your hit list this week.

The truth is, yes there are bad Muslims, actually there are some really horrible muslims but not all are bad and horrible just like not all white people are racist bigots but we seem to have more than our fair share here on gfy.

Grapesoda

the USA 'keeps' Texas and Hawaii, why do you suppose that is?

Grapesoda

I think it does, because a story was pulled to 'back a platform' that the guys insists is true using unrelated news articles. that's about as fake as it gets.

Grapesoda

yup and they have an entire country and they are killing gays and everyone else they decide to kill... (and it's not Russia)

... and I gotta go with your a total dumb ass here as well.. pls look up the word bigot and explain how the word bigot does NOT apply to you, a person with an unbendable polarized position on EVERYTHING that assumes they have the intelligence to run the world, and make decisions for everybody... you need to go to one of those cult deprogrammers

Bladewire

No US KKK leader has the power to arrest, detain & kill people. They have no power in America other than complaining. A leader in Russia, Alvi Karimov, has the power to arrest, detain & kill people based on sexual orientation.

?You cannot arrest or repress people who just don?t exist in the republic,? spokesman Alvi Karimov

nico-t

could you give me an example of a real white racist bigot on gfy? No comedy or joke posts taken out of context please. I want to see 1 post of someone who is white being racist and dead serious about it.

Bladewire

You're a lazy intellectual, so lazy you're not intellectual at all. You have an unusual amount of bias for someone who makes cartoons.

Typical tactic to make your opponent waste time and energy on proving their point, it's called the Gish Gallop tactic.

"Although it takes a trivial amount of effort on the Galloper's part to make each individual point before skipping on to the next (especially if they cite from a pre-concocted list of Gallop arguments), a refutation of the same Gallop may likely take much longer and require significantly more effort (per the basic principle that it's always easier to make a mess than to clean it back up again)."

just a punk

Do Texas and Hawaii have their own presidents with their own personal armies and police? Do these states have any laws that abolish the federal ones?

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nico-t

if it was so easy you would have taken the time you took to post this far fetched theory, to pull up some easy obtainable genuine white racist posts gfy has a 'more than a fair share' of, according to your cyber bf crockett.

You do get a C+ for this deflection attempt though.

Now, care to post some quotes and examples of genuine white racists?

just a punk

Yes, KKK has no right given by the federal government to kill people. Does it mean they haven't done it? The same applies to Chechnya. Formally they have to obey the federal law, but the reality is a way different.

Also do you understand the videos in you post have nothing to do with the developments in Chechnya? Ok, I'll post mine for you then.

My life under Obama - Heterosexuals in the USA (documentary):



So it looks like being a straight man in the USA is as bad as being a gay in Russia. Is that correct, comrade?

You have posted the videos from unauthorized rally in Moscow (2015). The same happens to everybody here - doesn't matter which sexual orientation you are. Look the video filmed on March 26th (a week ago) in Moscow:



That's how Russian police deal with straight men. Does it mean that being straight is much more dangerous than being gay in Russia (I haven't seen a video of gays beaten like that by police)? Would be real funny to hear your explanation ;)

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Sarn

Chechnya it is Russia. The end!
Ok we understand now why in Chechnya was ethnic cleansing russians in before wars. And why USA support "freedom fighters" like Tsarnaev brothers here.
I think that they would catch him and killed and hang his skin on the wall in own home. And it is not are joke.
Problem in you because you support that. With own anti white policy
21+ years
http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/f/e/femel/1200183467134.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...09d451f3e2.jpg

Muslim from other regions make war against this chechen shit too.

Matt-ADX

Can we put a GFY rule, no posts from the Huff post. They are the epitome of Fake news. Their experts predicted 99% that Hillary would win, if that didn't make anyone realize that they were not credible I donno what more you need. I am not saying she wasn't a favorite going into it and that saying she was a favorite was wrong. Everyone had Hillary winning, but they were at least in the 70% - 80% to say 99% IMO means it wasn't even logical.

Matt-ADX

Nice that you can look up tactics. When Straw manning is your favorite one. Can you answer his question instead of Straw manning?

Bladewire

Now you're using a gotcha argument to get me to play into your previous gish gallop fallacy.

Perhaps you shouldn't rely on fallacy arguments to waste peoples time and be more intellectually honest in discussions here "Polish aristocrat"?

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Bladewire

I agree, it is nice I can lookup things. Its odd you want me to answer to Nico-T's question, as based on your previous behavior any answer given by me will be interpreted by you as bias and/or incorrect.

Show me one time you've agreed that an answer I've given here is correct then I'll answer Nico-T's question.

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Bladewire

Russia bans New Power Rangers movie for kids

Now in Russia, if a character in your super hero movie is a female kissing a female, instead of a male, the movie will Now be rated adults only 18+. Males kissing females is ok for the kiddies in Russia Putin!

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Sarn

It is normal when males kissing females In Russia banned propaganda homosecuality for children.

Bladewire

Real life is not propaganda.

Equality is not propaganda.

Their are Gay children, I know, shocking.

Putin is only making Russia weaker by pretending certain people don't exist & pretending reality is propaganda.

90% of Gay people are like me, you don't know we're Gay unless we tell you, you'd never know by looking. Putin is so stupid. Their are Gay people close to him resenting him and he will never know until it's too late

Have you ever seen X-Men movie?

Have you ever seen spider man or superman? The superhero is special & different and can't tell anyone. This is how Gays first related to each other through storytelling without society knowing.

Sarn

When they attain sexual maturity, no one limits them.
In Russia, in some regions, marriages are allowed in 14 years - you are behind in these freedoms.

Sarn

>Have you ever seen X-Men movie?
yes) good film!