thommy

look paul THIS is exactly your thinking error.
obviously you think that the majority is rich and do not care if they pay more for something.

but the truth is, that 99% of humans (yes even the rich) have a limited budget.
if they spend more on one point they will not have the oney to spend it on some other.
so you take jobs on the other site and you take PROSPERITY because the same person who could afford to buy 2 things before can only buy 1 thing.

your idea of economy is COMPLETELY wrong - even when i agree with you that it does not make sense to lower the tax for rich people.

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Paul I go to Europe every year I spent 10 days in Rome this year and rented an apartment in a typical middle class area. I did that the last 2 years in Paris also. A few years ago in Athens. I have been in the Czech Republic on business and have no interest in vacationing in Prague.

I can see why so many Europeans have or want to immigrate to America.

You can buy this house for $250K near me but the average price span is $300K to $700K in America


That house has 269 m2 of finished floorspace, 1583 m2 of land and was built in 2002 :P That is upper middle class in my America

And you want to tell us how to run our economy

Paul Markham

I see you have dropped you stupid tax argument when proved wrong. Now you start on another stupid argument.

My Brother is a year younger than me and his Health Insurance is very high.

I pay nothing because I'm retired. Average Health Insurance cost in Europe is half that. And only paid by those in work.

Now shall we start on the costs of insurance for every other thing that lawyers might get their teeth into?

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Barry-xlovecam

Stay were you are -- you would get eaten alive in America. On your pensions you would live lower class.

Stop comparing apples and oranges.

Paul Markham

Thommy again you prove to be the bluntest tool in the box. Far more than 1% can afford a hotel stay.

Remove the foreigners who are happy to take minimum wage to work in hotels and give those jobs to patriots taking them off the dole and force companies to pay enough so the workers don't have to rely on State Benefits to survive.

Higher wages + lower unemployment + lower benefits payments.

ATM the system is supporting the wealthy.

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I wouldn't live in America if I was a billionaire. Much nicer places to live.

So tell me what it's like to live lower class.

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Barry-xlovecam

Your economy and lifestyle in the Czech Republic means fuck all to me. Most Americans live rather well.

There are 2 chances of Paul Markham ever becoming rich -- slim and none.

Enjoy what you have I guess ...

thommy

did you not read what i wrote ?

i did not say that only 1% can pay a hotel - i say that 99% of humans have a limited budget.

no matter if you make 1000 or 100.000 a month - you budget is not unlimited and when you pay more for one thing you have to safe it on other things.

so you give one a job and take the job from the other.

is that so complicated to undertstand?

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VRPdommy

Some very interesting points made by many.

But I would inform those outside the US that are not aware that even within this country, the spread of cost of living and taxes has some very wide divisions.

As I look at it in a historical sense, I find those with the highest costs of living and taxes are those communities that had very poor planning for growth. What you fail to do today will cost you multiples more in the future.

California's lack of mass transit has made the necessity for more roads to carry more cars to nowhere fast. Think how much taxes are required just to maintain that failing system.
You definitely can't afford more lanes now and if you could, you can't afford to maintain them.
The expansion needed at this point has a pretty high price tag on it. Taxpayers would be far better off funding mass transit rail to connect key points. It's also good for commerce, and that is good for the tax base. History has proven this time and time again.
I never thought I would even support such a thing, but when you look at the tax money, it's all there.

So everyone with the money to do so moves to a new area where the same will exist in 20-40 years. But leaving the previous area in blight for revenue. So higher taxes are the quick easy answer to pay for what you failed to do in the past.

Who do you blame that on. It's not that the answers are not out there. Just nobody wants a shift on where and how the money is spent. And the longer it goes on, the longer and more costly it becomes to correct. Expensive Band-Aids are all we get.

JFK

Fuck YEAH, its what Capitalism is all about !

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https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/nat...i0217_hist.pdf

x billions

there is plenty of money -- don't get lost in the bullshit!

Paul Markham

My choice of where to live has little to do with the bullshit that dominates your life.

I want to live in a safe country. A country where my bullshit doesn't go off the scale, where people aren't ruled by being richer than the next person and obsessed with appearing like they are what they will never be.

Shall we discuss overall crime rates?

Barry, when you lose an argument, why do you need to resort to abusing the winner?

Just accept it that I don't want to live in America when I was younger I had two opportunities to live there. Chose not to. Accept that my income is enough for me to live well, be debt free, have more money in the bank than I can spend, never work another day of my life and be free of all worries. Which makes me a winner.

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It used to work very well back in the day that getting rich meant employing people in the country. Now it means employing people outside the country or even not having employed people. That's now hitting your income and the future will see your sales slowly diminish. A millionaire needs as much porn to get off as a poor man, both are one sale. Better to have 10 sales to 10 on $100,000. That's what Capitalism is about.

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pimpmaster9000

I hate to break it to you but no western european wants to move to the USA...you can pat yourselves on the back all you want, your country is nothing special and you are in crippling debt and your economy is going nowhere and everybody is aware of this

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You may bash Paul as much as you like but leave CZ out of this ...

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build the fuking wall

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Barry-xlovecam

bullshit, I go to Europe every year ...

Sour Grapes

The US government is in deep debt -- not me!

Sorry Stefan, I stopped in Munich and changed planes at the new airport they built I liked it -- I was heading to Bucharest -- not the 'gem city' of Europe more like St. Louis with a few old buildings left ... Maybe, I will spend some time in Germany next year but Germany appears rather austere for Europe. However, I traveled from Prague to Budapest by train 1st class and I saw what I saw. Some of the scenery was nice the mountains and a few small lakes.

I am always happy when I get back home -- I suppose we all are if we are happy with our homes.

I am glad my home is not Syria ...

Fucking ass-hat ...

Paul Markham

You are responsible for the Government debt ultimately.

And so are we.

There are some great places in the US, Las Vegas, San Fran, New York to name a few. It's the culture of religion, greed, competitiveness and bling that made me not want to move there. Such as establishing dominance over others by salary not the level of happiness.

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Barry-xlovecam

Some people are not that dependent on the government. We exist in spite of the government. The government is always in debt that is nothing new.

On a national balance sheet basis; the US government with all US persons and businesses assets less all liabilities -- the USA is in very good shape as a country -- that is why people all over the world invest their money here. We have a high net worth -- the issue is liquidity most assets are fixed and not liquid. Real Property as well as equipment and fixtures are not liquid. Debt can be refinanced as the assets are in place -- US citizens own most of the government debt. So, we are mainly in debt to ourselves -- we don't owe YOU jack-shit unless you hold US Treasury Bonds.

Why are you so obsessed with the USA's problems -- you live thousands of kilometers away?
We fart and you sniff? What's up with that?

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

The sky is falling -- go away chicken littles!

There are winners and losers in every game ... If you don't think you are winning change how you play the game. The game will not change for you

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You have no idea on how dependent on your government you are.

Who paid for your education, safety, roads, skyways, security, etc?

Who determines how much money you have in your pocket? Not entirely up to you as you would like to believe.

Now we could all go back to times when Governments had little control over the lives of its citizens. For Americans, it would mean to go back to pre-colonial days when men could walk off into the wilderness and support themselves off the land. Today we live in a world where governments make sure we're not poisoned by companies who see profits over your safety. In fact, in the US you need more of that protection.

People invest in companies that make profits and your government helps them do that, to the detriment of you. Remember the bank crash?

And yes there's always debt. At the moment Western debt is heading towards unsustainability.





It won't be the 1% suffering when those debts are called in. It will be your level who think they shouldn't pay much tax while free to profit from shares and property deals. People who vote for the very people intent on building more debt.

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VRPdommy

Dependancy on the government. I agree. But it only works with the participation of it's citizens.
Some say they don't want to be until they cut something that affects them. They just don't want to pay for it. Wile I agree there is plenty of waste in everything someone can make a easy point to stop, but not fix the problems. Making money seems to be at any cost. But it seems it is just a matter of who's cost that is.

I really get tired of those among us here in the states that repeat the spin on
'The Government should not tell me what to do'
The politicians are only referring to corporate America.

I say good, lets get rid of all the stop signs and street lights and roads and development for medicine and by the way, I'm buying the property next door to dump of all this mercury I don't know what to do with along with some other stuff I can't even pronounce.
I should be able to do whatever I want. I don't need the government to tell me what to do. So when that mercury poisons your kids, get the tax payers to clean it up.
Oh... but your kids need medical care you can't afford. Well don't look for the taxpayer to bail you out.

Politicians promote these ideas but not fully explained. And when they win their elections for it, they give only removal of the rules to the folks that do most of the bad things we don't want, that were hard fought for and normally many had been harmed by before the actions were taken. But by amnesia, we don't remember how they got there.

Rules they can't get rid of so obviously, they defund that part of the government so that they are not capable to enforce them or even monitor the situation. At least till the next crisis.

But right now, they have created such suspicion of the government themselves, they have to resort to putting the blame on someone else for it to prevent the deeper look.
It's the easy scape-goat.
But caught in their own lies, they are finding it hard to govern. This is what we see in the news.

Nobody cared how the wall was going to be paid for. It was not suppose to be us.
So why does it need built if we need to pay for it. That was not the plan.

And in the future, you will wonder where the funding is coming from to re-pave that road or upgrade those water and sewage plants. Or wonder how that poison food got to your table.

Barry-xlovecam

Paul fuck you and your charts. The government is dependent on guys like me -- guys who pay taxes.

God you are a miserable old sod.

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The wall was more ideology (or has become one) -- the real enemy is ourselves

Some of the proposals at sooo bizarre-o.

Paul Markham

Exactly and you are reliant on the Government for the reasons VRPdommy points out. Without them Corporate America would own more of your ass.

And you're greedy and deluded.


For the economy of Americans The Wall is a great thing. It eliminates more people who put more people reliant on the rest, people like you, lowers crime, raises standards of living.

Heading to 2030 the West needs far fewer people with more money in their pockets. Not far more people with less money.

Sorry if the charts showing the truth hurt your fantasy.



Percentile stays the same, while actual number climb and will continue to climb. So\rry if that proves you talk out of your ass.

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All the funding will come from private companies who will form a cartel and squeeze every last drop of money out of the population.

Why does the Wall need to be built? To preserve the living standards of Americans. The problem is they don't want to pay for it to save their standard of living. Maybe if the Government decided to raise their taxes to cover the costs Automation, Globalisation and mass migration they might change their minds.

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thommy

paul, you want to eliminate the right problems with the wrong solutions.

this wall will only produce unnessecary costs.
trump have even a problem to find a company who WANTS to build it because these people seems to have more in their head as one who support such a bullshit.

and from WHERE does this money come ?

exactly the same wrong idea you have from the adult market. you think the tubes killed revenues but it fact they did not. they just concentrate money and bring very fresh money into the industry.

what is better? to produce a film and sell it 20 times for 50 dollars or to sell it 1000 times for 5 ?????

this is showing YOUR truth but not THE truth.
you missmatch again things and talk AGAINST your own statements because you do not understand economy.

1. poverty rate today is something else as it was 50 years ago.
today someone is called poor when he does not have the biggest car. 50 years ago he was called poor when he did not have to eat.

2. with an increase of the population the number of poor people would even increase when the percentage goes down. all in all this picture shows you that the poverty RATE is permanently going down.

3. you will never have rich people when you do not have poor because the difference between poor and rich is, that the rich take it from the poor.
this is in a country like that and in a global market too.
you live this dream, that prosperity can happen in a closed market. but it can not.
when you would understand all your numbers you post here you would see that all "good times" have been a result of depts what have to be paid back one day.

the economy while and after the war was good because the war produced a lot labour and this labour was paid by depts.

i don´t know how you could survive in your business for so many years with that small knowledge about economy.

i really think that this is the basic point why poeple are voting for honks like trump - because they do not have the SMALLEST clue from where prosperity is comming from.

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