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Sid70 · 03-29-2017, 02:35 PM

If we really want to feel secure and safe, we have to admit the general evil and root of all bad things is basically monetisation of Internet. Nobody would be interested if there were no money involved.

Bladewire · 03-29-2017, 02:49 PM

Here in the USA asshole Republicans voted to allow our internet companies to collect our data and sell it to anyone without our permission.

Democrats & Obama stopped this from happening and vetoed before, Trump said he will not.

Democrats & Obama defended net neutrality, Trump & the Republicans are gutting it this year they said.

So Putin, China, anyone will be able to pay and see where my IP surfs

TheDynasty · 03-29-2017, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Here in the USA asshole Republicans voted to allow our internet companies to collect our data and sell it to anyone without our permission.

Democrats & Obama stopped this from happening and vetoed before, Trump said he will not.

So Putin, China, anyone will be able to pay and see where my IP surfs

#ThanksTrump

Barry-xlovecam · 03-29-2017, 02:52 PM

^^^ The VPN business will boom in the USA

Bladewire · 03-29-2017, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

^^^ The VPN business will boom in the USA

Yeah this VPN boom will be for Americans using it to surf out not Putin & China to surf in pretending to be American lol

Sid70 · 03-29-2017, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

^^^ The VPN business will boom in the USA

Already getting emails from TunnelBear !

just a punk · 03-29-2017, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

^^^ The VPN business will boom in the USA

How will it help against collecting of the big data?

Bladewire · 03-29-2017, 02:56 PM

No privacy with VPN's either, they can catch everything you do, capture your login credentials etc.

Rochard · 03-29-2017, 03:22 PM

Nothing is private these days. At all.

NatalieK · 03-29-2017, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Here in the USA asshole Republicans voted to allow our internet companies to collect our data and sell it to anyone without our permission.

Democrats & Obama stopped this from happening and vetoed before, Trump said he will not.

Democrats & Obama defended net neutrality, Trump & the Republicans are gutting it this year they said.

So Putin, China, anyone will be able to pay and see where my IP surfs

this is not true. Microsoft do not give info and data to governments, security or officials. MS are adamant they do not and will not give information unless there´s reason & good warrant to do so, a matter of either national security or criminal investigation.

shiraz9944 · 03-29-2017, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

No privacy with VPN's either, they can catch everything you do, capture your login credentials etc.

No they can't, unless you connect to a public wifi on your phone BEFORE connecting to your VPN, phones are pretty much useless for privacy, then they can capture the small in between. A good VPN is very effective, one with no logs, perfect forward security and not shared keys. The UK has the most invasive programs on earth thru the GCHQ and they couldn't crack whatsapp. Make sure your IP doesn't leak and always work on your VPN, my VPN has double hop, so you are not going to one server but then tunneling to another somewhere else and speed is still super fast. Snowden even said, encryption works, PGP works. It's if they can get you before you use your software is the problem, that's what the vault 7 docs show. Or Theresa May wouldn't be having a shit fit about encryption if it didn't work. It just takes a lot of time and effort to keep private and most people don't want to bother with it. Get anonybox from amazon and your router will be the VPN point so you are never off it. Kill switch enabled. Hell I can even browse into China if I want with stealth or chameleon VPN. It's a losing game for the gov't to always play catch up. So they cheat and infect devices before they are shipped.

shiraz9944 · 03-30-2017, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by shiraz9944

No they can't, unless you connect to a public wifi on your phone BEFORE connecting to your VPN, phones are pretty much useless for privacy, then they can capture the small in between. A good VPN is very effective, one with no logs, perfect forward security and not shared keys. The UK has the most invasive programs on earth thru the GCHQ and they couldn't crack whatsapp. Make sure your IP doesn't leak and always work on your VPN, my VPN has double hop, so you are not going to one server but then tunneling to another somewhere else and speed is still super fast. Snowden even said, encryption works, PGP works. It's if they can get you before you use your software is the problem, that's what the vault 7 docs show. Or Theresa May wouldn't be having a shit fit about encryption if it didn't work. It just takes a lot of time and effort to keep private and most people don't want to bother with it. Get anonybox from amazon and your router will be the VPN point so you are never off it. Kill switch enabled. Hell I can even browse into China if I want with stealth or chameleon VPN. It's a losing game for the gov't to always play catch up. So they cheat and infect devices before they are shipped.

I will follow up with this caveat.....VPN's were not designed to HIDE you, they were made to allow remote secure log ins to businesses. Using them to hide will probably not work if a state actor is involved. You can keep your data in transit safe, that's the point but they will probably if they REALLY want to be able to find the IP, but if you aren't selling state secrets or surfing CP, what does that matter?

CurrentlySober · 03-30-2017, 01:25 AM

The 'and shit' part of the thread title is ultimately misleading and disappointing...

Barry-xlovecam · 03-30-2017, 04:40 AM

Your ISP only sees the VPN IP subsequent DNS queries are from the VPN to the DNS servers.
You use an adblocker and delete your browser cache when the browser is closed.

If all you want to do is insure your privacy from web advertisers this is not that difficult. Most people will not and that is what the FCC is counting on.

For added security set up your own proxy server -- but a commercial VPN that gathered customer data would be a marketing disaster. You could probably set up a SQUID server on a $5/mo VPS and be fine for personal use.

Trump is a real setback for consumer rights as you will see.

klinton · 03-30-2017, 04:57 AM

vpn is better than nothing of course.
but if the browser itself is not secure (cookies, java, flash cookies, flash, browser footprint), it wont provide you needed anonymity...for many "players". if you add to that 0 days exploits for windows, using windows at all....you have ewat you have
thats why the best way is to use qubus/ tails OS, combined with TOR and TOR browser...but but...such surfing and working is almost unusable,so....

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Originally Posted by shiraz9944

No they can't, unless you connect to a public wifi on your phone BEFORE connecting to your VPN, phones are pretty much useless for privacy, then they can capture the small in between. A good VPN is very effective, one with no logs, perfect forward security and not shared keys. The UK has the most invasive programs on earth thru the GCHQ and they couldn't crack whatsapp. Make sure your IP doesn't leak and always work on your VPN, my VPN has double hop, so you are not going to one server but then tunneling to another somewhere else and speed is still super fast. Snowden even said, encryption works, PGP works. It's if they can get you before you use your software is the problem, that's what the vault 7 docs show. Or Theresa May wouldn't be having a shit fit about encryption if it didn't work. It just takes a lot of time and effort to keep private and most people don't want to bother with it. Get anonybox from amazon and your router will be the VPN point so you are never off it. Kill switch enabled. Hell I can even browse into China if I want with stealth or chameleon VPN. It's a losing game for the gov't to always play catch up. So they cheat and infect devices before they are shipped.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-30-2017, 05:02 AM

I foresee an e-commerce problem with VPN and tor users -- these are tools used by scammers to commit fraud.

crockett · 03-30-2017, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton

vpn is better than nothing of course.
but if the browser itself is not secure (cookies, java, flash cookies, flash, browser footprint), it wont provide you needed anonymity...for many "players". if you add to that 0 days exploits for windows, using windows at all....you have ewat you have
thats why the best way is to use qubus/ tails OS, combined with TOR and TOR browser...but but...such surfing and working is almost unusable,so....

The problem with using something like THOR or other encryption as example is when NSA for example catches encrypted data, they don't delete it. It's stored until some-point they can decrypt it.

That was something that came out in the Snowden leaks.. They were required to delete normal unencrypted data after a certain time period but encrypted data they can hold onto until it can be decrypted. So really you are fucked either way because eventually they will get your data.

Obviously I'm talking NSA level guys but obviously not ISP or advertisers.

klinton · 03-30-2017, 06:22 AM

yeah, however few points:
a) Im glad that they will waste resources on someone as (almost) useless as me. Maybe that will teach them to target actual bad guys
b) their motto is - sniff it all, collect it all, analyze it all - so wait just few more decades when they will start storing everything like GHCQ was doing from time to time

. memory is getting cheaper and cheaper....
c) I recommend to anyone use most advanced crypto keys as possible...
d) anyone is target that is not total sheep - so be it guys interested in linux, journalists, vpn users, NGOs, etc. etc. it doesnt really make a difference if you use tor or not

if you are not obedient sheep - you are suspect. for every power greedy motherfuckers on this planet

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Originally Posted by crockett

The problem with using something like THOR or other encryption as example is when NSA for example catches encrypted data, they don't delete it. It's stored until some-point they can decrypt it.

That was something that came out in the Snowden leaks.. They were required to delete normal unencrypted data after a certain time period but encrypted data they can hold onto until it can be decrypted. So really you are fucked either way because eventually they will get your data.

Obviously I'm talking NSA level guys but obviously not ISP or advertisers.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-30-2017, 07:05 AM

I think you are looking at this from the wrong angle;
First of all this only applies to USA persons.
The EU data privacy laws restrict this (I think).

The biggest problem would be the possibility of a ISP building a profile of you interests and selling it to private industry to be used for surreptitious purposes.

As in being used to deny you employment, insurance or business relationships (banking as an example) based the information that may now be gathered. The FCC is assuming that the information will be benign to our personal interests and they are full of shit.

2MuchMark · 03-30-2017, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Here in the USA asshole Republicans voted to allow our internet companies to collect our data and sell it to anyone without our permission.t

A sad day for US Netizens everywhere.

I'm starting to think though that he probably won't get away with it or just about everything he's doing. The complaints and lawsuits are piling up fast.

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Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,232	Here in the USA asshole Republicans voted to allow our internet companies to collect our data and sell it to anyone without our permission. Democrats & Obama stopped this from happening and vetoed before, Trump said he will not. Democrats & Obama defended net neutrality, Trump & the Republicans are gutting it this year they said. So Putin, China, anyone will be able to pay and see where my IP surfs

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	^^^ The VPN business will boom in the USA

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Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,232	No privacy with VPN's either, they can catch everything you do, capture your login credentials etc.

03-30-2017, 04:40 AM	#14
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Your ISP only sees the VPN IP subsequent DNS queries are from the VPN to the DNS servers. You use an adblocker and delete your browser cache when the browser is closed. If all you want to do is insure your privacy from web advertisers this is not that difficult. Most people will not and that is what the FCC is counting on. For added security set up your own proxy server -- but a commercial VPN that gathered customer data would be a marketing disaster. You could probably set up a SQUID server on a $5/mo VPS and be fine for personal use. Trump is a real setback for consumer rights as you will see.

03-30-2017, 05:02 AM	#16
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	I foresee an e-commerce problem with VPN and tor users -- these are tools used by scammers to commit fraud.

03-30-2017, 07:05 AM	#19
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	I think you are looking at this from the wrong angle; First of all this only applies to USA persons. The EU data privacy laws restrict this (I think). The biggest problem would be the possibility of a ISP building a profile of you interests and selling it to private industry to be used for surreptitious purposes. As in being used to deny you employment, insurance or business relationships (banking as an example) based the information that may now be gathered. The FCC is assuming that the information will be benign to our personal interests and they are full of shit.