marcop

It tells me that, like Mrs. Scum, she doesn't like darkies...

marcop

My cat thinks it's time to eat.

klinton

meh !

pimpmaster9000

your example is true in a closed environment...where no international trade exists and where exports are completely insignificant to the economy...most of what you said still stands true in the real world, where exports play a significant role, YES there will be less tax base...but the cheap workers allow you to produce/operate cheap...this in turn allows you to export at competitive prices...

you can not have a cake and eat it at the same time...you can pick only one option...either you keep the cake and you do not eat it....or you eat the cake and you do not keep it...it is impossible to do both...

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exports for a country like US is maybe 15% of GDP, and majority of that is in sophisticated industries, requiring specialized skills and education... (finance, engineering, etc) so allowing uncontrolled immigration of unskilled labor does very little to help with exports...

and you are right, you can't keep the cake and eat it too... you can't have socialism and uncontrolled immigration of unskilled labor, cause like I described earlier, uncontrolled immigration causes existing workers to get displaced, which then need to be supported by the state... completely defeating the potential benefits of immigration...

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NatalieK

I can´t believe you want to listen to Farage...

have you not thought, he created the "not working" but making the EU "not work". He now has his pockets lined.

here, you can see how Trump´s making the US great again



it´s the same for Brexit.

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Sarn

As say Marine Le Pen modern globalisation it is "manufacturing by slaves for selling to the unemployed". But who beneficiary of this?

Scott McD

So Farage made the EU fail ?? Or what exactly is it you are saying here ??

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comrade !
nice to see you again !


hint: find one error in above image



how is it going Comrade ? Did you talk with your political officer about English course/classes ?

klinton

Also, Sarn, I see that you suddenly became quiet. Maybe you are right. Maybe it is time for small talk with your political officer, small conversation on what to do next.

I may have few advices for you: if you have no political advisor/ officer/ politruk ,its even worse my friend.

You have been brainwashed by the "wolves" from your government ! and you are being brainwashed everyday !

its never too late to regain common sense, Sarn. never too late. the quicker you will do it, the less painful it will be. lets start with one small step that may change your life entirely: turn off the state tv !

Sarn

klinton you flooder

klinton

Sarn, how were the consultations with Politruk ? Got the new assignement ? Well, I only hope that your weren'f fired (terminated, should I say ? ) , you are really charming guy. Your avatar is so sweet, it makes you really serious person.
You know, it is kind of insulting for us, if you come to english speaking forum, trying to persuade with your really charming broken english how the world should look according to Soviet's (upss.... KGBs ?) policies....Really charming indeed.
So, Sarn, dont be shy now. Take your time. Maybe even drink some chai/ tea, before you will hit reply.
1) What do you do in adult Sarn ?
2) Why you registered on this forum ?
3) what are your adult sites ? some urls ?

Well, if you will fail to provide it, Sarn, you know exactly well how it will end here. Termination, is the word, Sarn. just one small word to gfy admin, one contrmeasure from our side, and...
Sarn, we wont be satisfied with your short answer or some bullshit reply, like "you flooder", "hahaha", "whatever"....
You know that the time is now, Sarn. It was all sweet for years here, we almost got tricked, you put us into sleep with your amusing english, but now its time to say Sarn...Who you really are ?

Sarn

I am coming for stolen you democracy comrade like grinch christmas

Struggle4Bucks

Wrong... under socialism there is something that is called: "minimum wage"...

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Dead wrong you should look up facts before posting........ https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-m...ee-55-million/ Plus they allow the EU to dictate basically everything the UK does......and don't forget the rest of the EU has NO defense budget or ability to defend themselves at all. Not to mention the immigrant problem that is costing the UK billions more. If you can't see what's happening in the world right in front of you, nothing I can do to change your mind but the EU is finished, it's dead, a failed experiment. A noble idea and cause but poor execution and too many competing cultures. The entire world can't be wrong, brexit, Trump, Merkel is finished, Hollande is finished, the Nordic nations are next to leave and elected right wing parliaments. Without the UK, the EU loses about half it's money, the rest is basically Germany and with the Uk gone it will put even more pressure on them, it's over. Just face the fact it failed.

As for NATO, without it and the US's huge military the EU is defenseless without the UK. The US pays 25.1% of the NATO budget, Germany is next up at 12% and the UK at 12%, Pull the UK and US and the EU is defenseless and if you think you are safe from aggressive nations, ask the Ukraine about that. There is a deal in place now for the EU to purchase 1200 F35 fighters from the US which would help the money situation, and before people disparage the f35, it just completed a combat test against the best 4 gen fighters in the world and shot down 15 of them for ever 1 f35 damaged. I just wished we kept the F-22 in production.

klinton

ok, thx for confirming that :-)
No answers, just twisting facts and avoiding answers like always from your side comrade
no URLs ?
adios

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Struggle4Bucks

In 2016 UK's net contribution was 8.6 billion on a 120+ billion total. Although the UK is the second largest contribitor... it's still a small fraction of the total.

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the $$ amounts don't even really matter in that example... if there are 10 jobs... and 11th person immigrates in, no matter what the minimum wage is at least one person will be out of a job, and under socialism the state (tax payers) will have to support him...

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Struggle4Bucks

Correct but that is a different discussion... Immigrants working for lower wages pushing the locals out of labour isn't an argument... that was my point...

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Brexitday, British independence day

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Total cost of F-35 program, $1.45 trillion, could provide free college to every student in the U.S. for 20 years
https://twitter.com/mims/status/725074420771991552
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Struggle4Bucks

Correct... we need 28 small and independent, but on a world scale, totally defenseless shitty tiny Euro-states... (that's including the UK)
Russia will give Brexit independence day a completely new meaning in let's say 20 years from now...

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While the rest of the world is scaling (economically, financially, military) Europe is minifying because the preservation of 28 tiny shitty cultures are more important than the geo political challenges of the 21th century. And this makes "the preservation of 28 tiny shitty cultures" a contradiction at the same time...

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It's quiet in here... Whats up? The Independence party is over?

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Where are we now??

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shiraz9944

Hence the walkout of the UN yesterday about banning Nuclear weapons, the UK has more aircraft carriers than all of Russia and more SLBM's at sea. Not to mention the US behind them all the way. Add in 500 F35 fighters that not even the best Russian fighter can touch and I think they will be fine. Plus the Uk spends more on defense budget than Russia only outmatched by China at 160 billion and the US at 600 billion. Even Pacifist France keeps 2 dozen ICBM's at the ready and several SLBM's at sea. In 20 years Putin will be dead and so will Russia's fragile economy, see what happened last year when oil hit a new low? With Solar in the US and China growing exponentially, Russia will be dead in the water.

shiraz9944

Being the world's police isn't cheap and sorry but the US isn't a socialist shithole, I figured after seeing the EU try it you would have figured it out, if you other countries contributed at all we wouldn't have to do provide everything for you. You even buy our fighters instead of make your own.

Sarn

From the standpoint of geopolitics, everything is still as usual.
Ukraine is occupied by the EU. Britain is under attack and have the threat of separation. USA is waiting for a blow from Asia))

shiraz9944

The UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back. In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK's 'net contribution' was estimated at about £8.6 billion...........so by being in the EU the UK basically gave away 8.6 billion for what? Better trade agreements? They already have that.

NatalieK

Farage was the spokes man, he´s meddled behind the lines, made the EU look bad by not making the deals he could have & now it´s all gone to shit with little ole England possibly going to be sitting alone in this big world

He´s lined his pockets & now he´s going to line them more golfing with buddies in the US tea party.

It´s all about the tyrants getting richer, not caring for the planet we live.

I´m not wrong, the spokesman of each country can negotiate what needs to be spent on each country & as shown already the UK´s considering removing some education needs to cover cuts, there´s going to be more. The EU created a decent living for an average country, greed gets the better of many & now I think we will find greed will turn the UK into being a cesspit.

Also, You´ve posted lots about what and when with military tools, but most of the problems have come from the US, Russia & the UK sucking up behind the US, there´s no need for defence is there´s no problem to start with.

Also your percentages are incorrect.

oh, and if you notice, the piece of text on the article you posted above...

"The money we get back will be spent on things the government may or may not choose to fund if we left the EU. It’s not enough to look at the net contribution in isolation because what we get back isn’t fully under our control."

It doesn´t say an amount, I think leaving the EU was wrong. but hey, the UK´s done it now & that´s that

he´s not correct, the NATO budget´s different from that...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.677d8aa29871

strange when you say shitty tiny Euro States, you may aswel create an Islamic group of your own, trying to divide the world.

This is the POV I am trying to put across. If it wasn´t for world wars, there´s a lot more money to be put into education & the economy, the ozone, the world, one world we live in

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the UK has 1/3 of its GDP from export...this is significant...even if only 10% were to be affected it would have a domino effect and hit the ones barely making it and so on...as for the US and its 15% they are a balloon economy with debt that somehow "doesnt matter" nothing makes sense in the US economy right now...everything is a racket there the UK is a more normal country...ok it has a real estate racket of its own but the rest is ok...

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Sarn

Exactly! Not Russia threat for EU)

NatalieK

which is where now it could all go down hill, where the money the UK was receiving back was spent on things the government may or may not choose to fund now leaving the EU.

There´s going to be lots of losses for the country & people are still not understanding, they´re just seeing the figures & not realising many figures, lots of money wasn´t & isn´t accounted for that was given back to the UK.

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klinton

You post nothing here than political nonsense and russian propaganda. no single business thread from you. who are you ever ? I think that the answer is obvious.
And comrade, tell your politruk to try harder, many people know here basics of eristics
its really insulting for me, and other people here, do you think that we are really idiots here ?
also, your level of english...is GFY such worthless that they send people like you here ? without even basics of f..english ?
ps. feel free to PM me some of your URLs (3 are enough). I will keep them 100 % confidential. If you will provide them, you will also prove with that that you are just brainwashed by your state TV (it does happen everywhere,not only in Russia, no worries, still some hope) nornal person, and not specop SPREADING RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA ON PURPOSE HERE.
deal ? I guess not, and that confirms my thesis once again...sad

Paul Markham

If other countries offered their people the chance to vote to stay IN or get OUT, The EU would collapse overnight. It's only because the very Right Wing are pushing to leave that the people don't get the chance to vote.

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Once the UK establishes trade outside the EU and limits migration to those who can contribute more than they take out. The country will thrive.

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Why leave the UK where they have a voice and some power to join the EU where they will be nothing?

Because the nothing countries get more funding than they contribute. The problem is does the EU want more money pits?

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Most migrants don't contribute financially, one only has to look at where they live. In a country like the UK where there are benefits for low wages, housing, children, unemployment, etc. The cost of migrants far outweighs the benefits. Unless you're a boss or landlord, then it's a license to rip off the Government.

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Your idiotic comment relies on the countries all having workers at the $10 - $9 an hour wage level. Factor in the Third World where people work for $1 an hour and all fall apart.

Add the fact that those countries are educating people to advance and dominate high-tech industries and your argument is idiotic.

I do agree that people in the West have to be willing to pay more to keep fellow Westerners employed or pay very high taxes to support them not to work.

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If the EU is so good, why are more of its citizens poorer now than they were 20 years ago? Look at the problems Spain is in because of the EU.

Rising debt, unemployment, homelessness, dropping GDP, austerity and a huge migration problem because of Merkel and the EU failing to tackle the problem. The EU is not working for the people of Europe.

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And the EU wants to add more countries who will fit into the bottom of that last image. Fucking Madness.

Under mass migration, automation and globalisation the bargaining powers of the workers disappeared.

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The EU has to be forced to spend more on Defence.

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The US needs to stop interfering in other people's wars that have no possible peaceful outcome.

The list of failure's they have in the ME should tell them that they will always lose in the end.

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Then why are more and more voters voting to get out of the EU and swing to the right?



By taking money out of the richer countries and debt. What happens when the richer countries decide not to fund the poorer?



Will Germany increase it's contribution to fund Spain?


Most of the problems come from the ME where terrorists are trying to control the oil.

The money we get back will be spent in the UK.


Shitty States being funded by the rich ones and that will have to increase.

UK money that's now wasted by the EU will be spent in the UK. On the things you suggest. Whatever it will be spend in the UK.

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You post real nonsense here. Whether or not the Government decides to fund all the EU funding, the money stays in the UK.

At the moment the UK gives £13 billion and gets back £4.5 billion. So The UK loses £8.5billion. That's £8.5 billion that can be spent on schools, NHS, etc. Whatever the Government decides to spend it on, it will be money in the UK that Westminster will share out.

Now add these.
EU citizens on benefits.
EU citizens in a job a Brit could do.
EU citizens driving down wages.
EU citizens driving up house prices and rents.
EU citizens needing NHS care.
EU citizens needing schooling.
EU citizen criminals.

Now add the future problems of Automation destroying jobs.

The overall cost of EU membership is making the UK and Brits poorer.

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Struggle4Bucks

Looking at today is really useless when it comes to politics. That's why I said "In 20 years".
What about Europe's fragile economy? Check out where the real growth is. UK's national debt is 81.58% of total GDP and rising
Aircraft carriers are useless against hundreds of long distance nuclear missles.
Next WW will be different.

Fact: China is stepping on the stage of geo politics. Aggresively expending their influence in the region.
Fact: Russia is stepping on the stage of geo politics. Aggresively and passive agressively expending their influence; sabotaging others...
Fact: Turkey is stepping on the stage of geo politics. Aggresively and passive agressively expending their influence; sabotaging others...
Fact: The US losing influence around the world. 15 years ago it was unthinkable Russia could interfere in Syria like they did while the US stood there, watched and did nothing.
Fact: The US turning to isolationist politics. The future of Nato is unsure.


The problem with the spoiled Euro youngsters: They never experienced war. Only read about it in the history books. They never experienced poverty. Wealth to them comes naturally. They think it was Always there and will Always be here only because the rest of the world grants us this wealth. The fact is that the wealth of the West comes from dominating; enslaving and exploiting other regions. Wars are being sold to the public on moral grounds. Behind the curtains wars are Always about protecting political/economical positions.

Looking at the US national debt... indeed... it isn't cheap.
In regards to your fighters.... The US coudn't have produced them without some EU businesses nor without countries ordering them and paying for them upfront. So basically the developtment of the joint strike fighter is a shared project of many countries (with level 1- level 2 and level 3- partnerships.)

Yeah so? The UK isn't the only country who pays more than it receives. For what? Yes... it's clear there isn't a European spirit neither there is a long term vision to protect the continent from the challenges of the 21th century.

The question is: who is trying to divide Europe?

In regards to wars.... Wealth is there where wars are won... Simple law of nature. The whole world is a battle for natural resources. The reason why pacifists are able to float in the air is because they deny the laws of nature.

True... and it needs a single coordinated army....

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no my comment is based on the most simple laws of economy...its not really up for discussion because it is too simple...

this is what people in the west hate most: paying people in the west or buying stuff from the west

this is not going to change...

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yeah nothing better than humans separating each other with fences. and britain telling eu that eu is not worth britain, you britain can go fuck yourself you ego masturbators! but i dont care anyway, they can keep their shitty weather, agressive people and black and muslim multikulti london for themself ... idiots ...

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What are you smoke comrade?


why you hate agro-communism comrade democracy is bad