mikesouth

From my recent post on Oprano – The Business of Porn

We all know the FSC and the long string of failures associated with them, Cutting Edge Testing…need I say more? There are at least two people working in porn as performers who are HIV positive….right now….because the FSC sticks to the idea that a 30 plus year old testing idea is best, it isn’t….but I digress.

The real funny part is ASACP ... for those not in the know this is one of Helmys (from XBiz) brainfarts, it stands for The Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection, I loved this statement from the press release

“ASACP has worked to keep adult material away from minors for over two decades,” said Tim Henning, Executive Director of the ASACP

Guess who one of the big sponsors is…MindGeek…aka…Manwin, reckon anyone has reported them for making porn easily available to children? I mean there is NO age verification of any kind on any of their sites…it’s spelled H y p o c r i s y

If you go to thier site you get to read “Why ASACP” here is why

Shutting down CE sites (and catching their operators) can only happen if suspected sites are reported and investigated. Government bodies around the world are inundated with reports and the resources to review them all simply do not exist.

ASACP offers a secure, anonymous reporting system for the general public to report questionable content who may feel uncomfortable contacting government agencies.

ASACP fosters communication and cooperation with the online adult industry. This means we have the outreach and access to involve adult sites and their customers in our fight.

ASACP has the knowledge and technical ability to review submitted reports and forward suspect sites to the authorities who consider our Red Flag Reports to be high priority.

OK lets have us a little come to Jesus meeting…..In the last 20 years the incidence of child pornography has reached epidemic proportions so in theory this is a good idea…porn people getting involved right….well the real idea here is to stuff cash into someones pockets.

How many people are in jail because of something that ASACP has done? EXACTLY ZERO.

How many people have stood trial because of something that ASACP did? EXACTLY ZERO.

How many people have been indicted by a grand jury because of something that ASACP did? EXACTLY ZERO.

How many people have ben investigated because of something that ASACP did? EXACTLY ZERO.

In TWENTY YEARS! Y’all think about that.

I rest my case.

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Mike South

It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

sarettah

Nevermind

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Nitzer Ebb

Serge still owns oprano.com?

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Brad Mitchell

Mike,

This is the least accurate and most disappointing post I have ever ever seen you make. You can do better, you could spend your time tackling real issues instead of being a bully and spreading misinformation. The ASACP does do plenty of good, as does the FSC. I really don't do politics nor do I have any alterior motives. I am recently a board member of the ASACP because I believe in the mission statement, that it is a good industry trade organization. Lastly and most important, that I feel it does make a substantial contribution to the good of the internet and helping to stop child exploitation. The biggest problem with the ASACP is not that it is ineffective, malaligned with intent or anything of this sort... It is that it is underfunded with industry support. While this may affect some outcomes, the truth of it is that the tip line is a valuable service identifying and reporting potential child exploitation. It is a fact that has lead to arrests, prosecutions and benefits to child welfare. You can dislike any number of people for any variety of reasons and that's okay. You cannot, however, make a rational argument the world would be a better place without the ASACP.

Nitzer, Gonzo owns Oprano.

Sincerely,

Brad Mitchell

just a punk

What happened to the Belorussian guy?

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jaanB

Shutting down CE sites (and catching their operators) can only happen if suspected sites are reported and investigated.

I lol'd.

DukeSkywalker

Helmy doesn't have a string of successes. Xbiz. That's it. Whatever happened to gigacash

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Relentless

The ASACP does real work processing actual reports to law enforcement and provides an important anonymous way for people to report CP when they stumble across it.

You are an idiot Mike...but this thread is useful because it allows nonidiots the opportunity to point out the value you fail to comprehend.

Thanks

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Brad I like you, always have. It's nice seeing you stick up for helmy. I admire that. But after .xxx i lost all for that guy

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sarettah

It is very difficult to succeed without failing at least a few times along the road

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notinmybackyard

Hey Mike,

Remind me to never piss off a southern good old boy because you're like pitbulls, once you get your teeth into something you won't let go. So I agree with you the industry is pure shit today and it was a combination of the fans, tech nerds and the dirtbag incompetent pornographer. But you're getting older and since I'm already an old man might I suggest you take some Viagra and fuck some more Southern Bells.

Kodak is bringing back Ektachrome film and I'm now dropping almost 100 smut based LP records each month. Men are not only sick of jerking off to the same tube porn shit but they're tired of not being able to have something to own. There's opportunity here for anyone that can give the punter something different that looks like quality.

No pornographer needs any organization like the Free Speech Collation and as far as MindGeek is concerned, just forget about them. They're pumping porn into everyone's home and one day things are going to blow up on them. Sooner or later the wrong person is either going to get hurt because of them or someone like Michael Weinstein is going to figure out how to get rich by taking them down.

So in the meantime just worry about yourself because these people and organizations just aren't worth the effort.

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mikesouth

By all means please enlighten me as to whom exactluy has been indicted because of anything done by ASACP.

As for the FSC. well that one is LONG known to be in the pocket of MindGeek and outside the 2257 ruling which should have been handled way better a lot longer ago they havent done anything positive for the industry since Bill held off .XXX, which is the real reason they got rid of him, they wanted the bribe money ($8.00 per domain sold) from ICM Registry and Bill wouldn't let it happen....At least we know their price...

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Mike South

It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

mikesouth

Still waiting to hear of ANY case at all that ASACP has brought...You said I had it wrong, please school me......My emails are saying I not only got it right it was a softball...Brad surely you know something as you suggested...do tell.

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Mike South

It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

Bladewire

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Mike your shit is weak.

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Brad Mitchell

Thanks for your patience on my reply, I was traveling.

The ASACP tip line was the first online child exploitation line in the world and has serviced over 1,000,000 reports since 2004. It is the only anonymous one. The tip line gets 50,000 reports per year at present. Approximately 14% are actual child exploitation, investigated and actionable. Tip line staff is active duty law enforcement and cybercrime specialists. The tip line is also tied into NCMEC, Cybertip.ca, IWF UK, Inhope Europe, Protegeles Spain and many others.

This tip line is only one focus of the ASACP. The ASACP also does governmental and policy work. It is on the Financial Coalition Against Child Pornography for 7 years and is also an Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) Task Force member.

The ASACP also has a training program which has been operating for over 8 years with police cadets interested in this field of law enforcement.

The RTA (Restricted To Adults) label is on millions of adult sites and is recognized by many as a measure of industry self governance.

CE stands for Child Exploitation, instead of CP. Not pornography, but the recording of violent crime against children. This is a political move to distinguish between legal adult entertainment pornography.

This is the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection.

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mikesouth

Again how many indictments have come down via ASACP info....I cant find a single one...and if you are so big on protecting "children" why do your sponsors have sites with NO attempt at all to do age verification? Pornhub is the worlds biggest access to pornography that is used by people under 18...WAY under even pornhub knows than an estimated 33% of their traffic is under the age of 18... Please do justify this....I mean other than the money you all collect

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Mike South

It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

Bladewire

Take a deep breath...

Now think about a non profit employee receiving CE reports with CE photos & videos, and the federal security clearance they must have to view that material and forward possible abuse to their contacts in law enforcement.

Aside from the fact that they can't discuss highly sensitive CE material in detail, imagine how you'd track photos or a website you forwarded and connect that to a case that ended in indictment. Think about that.

I have no dog in your fight. I don't know anyone at ASACP just pointing out this important fact out that you don't seem to acknowledge. Carry on

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mikesouth

see the numbers here dont add up the numbers quoted are NOT ASACP they are for a very large group that includes ASACP and from what I am getting ASACP accounts for less than 1% of those numbers...way less....yes I am currently doing a lot of calling and research on this topic as part of a larger story that will be run by a major media outlet.

The BIG question that is going to come out of this is of course MindGeek/Manwin ties and MindGeeks own lack of anything to protect children who land on their tub sites, either intentionally or accidentally. This should come as no surprise to anyone most of the EU as well as the UK have been on this for at least a few years now, ASACP may think they are answering me at this point but the truth is they should look at this as a heads up as to whats coming their way.

You see thats the problem with porners, nobody in the biz who call themselves "journalists" will hold anyone in the biz responsible for doing evil shit that harms all of us. Truth is a little shining light on evil shit would go a long way for our industry...If this were mainstream Variety, for example would be all over it.

It doesn't surprise anyone Ive spoken to that there are HIV positive performers working they all figure if the viral load is undetectable they are safe anyway, never mind the fact that in California if you are HIV positive and you do NOT disclose that fact to your partners then you are committing a felony. But hey that Aptima test costs a LOT more money and with blood pooling it MAKES a lot more money. This is the shit someone at AVN or XBiz should be reporting but don't hold your breath, after all CET AVN, XBiz, The FSC, MindGeek/Manwin, ASACP and others are all co-mingled.

Eventually it will all come out and whats left of a decimated industry will suffer...on the flip side girls doing theit own sites/stores/marketing etc will do better and better and the dinosaurs will continue to die off....victims of their own shortsighted and even criminal policies and conspiracies.

I have no personal axe to grind with Brad or anyone else outside of The FSC and MindGeek and back when...I was a member of the FSC I donated thousands of dollars to them in the days I first got in the biz, I donated time and booth girls at all the shows and I gave Margold 100 donations regularly when the FSC broke with the best interests of the industry and started doing shady shit I withdrew my support as did even Bill Margold who worked tirelessly for The FSC.

It isn't enough to have good intentions...KNOW what you are supporting and demand accountability...when The FSC quit doing that and transparency went by the wayside in favor of the highest bidder, I started pointing that out, and I haven't stopped, nor will I.

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It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

Jel

Not that Brad in any way needs me to speak up for him, but:

Just want to mention that under 18s accessing porn for free does not equal the same as child exploitation.

Tubes are legal

CP is illegal

Brad's 'sponsors' (ie customers) are legal and have precisely nothing, nada, zero, ZILCH to do with CP/CE

You think Brad should turn away perfectly legal customers because you have a beef with MG's legal sites? ...Take up your MG beef with the various gov'ts of the world.

I don't think you did it on purpose, but in your quest to take a pop at MG you are muddying the waters asking why Brad's 'sponsors' have content on tubes, while asking him why he is so big on protecting children via asacp - take a step back and look at that approach, I would say you owe Brad a fairly big apology there

PAR

So basically you have targeted the ASACP as yet one more attempt to go after MindGeek, the FSC, etc. Got it. *shakes head*
You're attacking an organization that actually does shit, and is under funded to further your own little personal vendetta.

Tjeezers

What do you do in the industry again?
Refresh my memory please...

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notinmybackyard

I'm still trying to figure out how this is true. Afterall tube sites don't have any paperwork or IDs on the vast majority of the videos. When I produce and distribute a DVD I have to jump through hoops to make sure releases are signed, copies of talent's ID are made, photos of talent holding their ID next to their face, etc. But tube sites do nothing and get away with it.

As for child porn,
Mindgeek is in my backyard. They're literally a 10 minute walk from my home. According to Canadian law I would be arrested for making child porn if I couldn't prove talent's age. It doesn't matter that the talent might obviously be 40 years old but because I release on physical format I have to obey the written law. Whereas a tube site hosted in my nation can do whatever the fuck it wants.

No matter how you cut it... These supposed tech companies seem to be able to get away with fucking murder because the government and law enforcement literally turns a blind eye to them.

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Jel

not saying the law isn't fucked up, but that's a different discussion

Completely shitty of mike to muddy things by inferring someone isn't against CP/CE by verbalising an extremely tenuous 'link' that is nothing more than 2 + 2 = 87. I know I wouldn't stand for it, and I doubt you would either

I don't take too much notice of mike, we all make a living however we can/do... but just on this thread alone I can see why he isn't the industry's most loved person, and it isn't because of any 'truths' he thinks he is exposing.

Bladewire

Why didn't you answer my previous response in this thread?

When you're gifted a factual logical response to your concern about lack of statistics in convictions dealing with CE material sent to ASACP that they process, forwarding selected suspect illegal material to contacts in law enforcement , and you ignore that response, you glean an inkling of diminished credibility, lending the prospect this threads premise flies in the face of altruistic discourse. What say you?

notinmybackyard

Mike is from the old school and I "get him." I may not always agree with his opinions or how he goes about expressing them. But he's an actual pornographer and I see where he's coming from.

As for this being an "industry,"
Well I would hardly call what passes for today's jizz biz an actual industry. What we have today is money laundering and clueless horny tech nerds making nickles by playing with someone else's productions.

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Jel

I wouldn't judge the biz today by what gets posted on here

As for the other stuff - meh, I do get where you're coming from, but that's the problem with artists, in whatever field they are in... they think they are the only important ones, or the 'true' people in any given artistic field. A bit like when women say 'without us there'd be no babies'... strictly accurate, but fails to take into account everything else that comes into play

Literally every person on earth of legal age can shoot porn that people want to see, and will watch, but not many people have traffic, infrastructure, billing, marketing finesse/ideas, and so on. I do enjoy your posts, so I'm not looking to get into any kind of pissing match with you, but tbh I roll my eyes a bit when the 'artists' start moaning about the philistines

Anyway back to the subject at hand - everyone in the garden obviously has no need to share the same opinion, but at the same time if one person makes a dick move, then the way it's expressed is neither here nor there - it's still a dick move (and doesn't even make logical sense - that's just lazy 'journalism').

notinmybackyard

Trust me I don't judge the biz from what I see on GFY. To be honest I took a good hard look at the industry back in the late 90s and decided it was time to go underground. It was becoming an industry filled with disrespectful fanboys trying to make a buck without becoming directly involved and things have only gotten worse. It's become the norm that people that there people making money that have absolutely nothing to do with the manufacture of the smut and seldom even shake the hands with someone that does.

Needless to say that I'm still keeping my head down, minding my own business and only occasionally surfacing when I need to do a deal with someone. - I'm not interested in the politics or fighting with anyone.


As for being an artist,
I get what you're saying and mostly agree with you but I personally am NOT an artist. Now I love the arts and even financially support them but what I manufacture isn't art. When it comes to making smut the only question I ask myself is "will this shit make money?"

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Perhaps, Gigacash was a stepping stone to XBIZ ?

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I agree

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