klinton

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rkutsk-poverty

you won't suspect that TheGuardian is proPutin, so...

I honestly doubt in what you said before that Russians dissaprove Putin. maybe only people in your social circle (as we usually surround ourselves with the people similar to us). so you can't extrapolate your social circle into whole Russia's population...

I think that its true that 80 % of Russians approve Putin and his policies. What do you think about it ?

just a punk

Let's look at the official stats. Putin has received 63,6% of votes during the latest president elections. This includes mass falsifications or results and total brainwashing in the federal media. I don't see 80% there. Maybe the TheGuardian sees it, but these guys don't live in Russia.

March 26 will be a day of protests in Russia which should take place in 100 cities. This doesn't look like Putin and his gang have a great support here. I'll tall you more. He's scared. He's very scared...

Putin was booed by people after the Emelianenko's MMA fight:



Nobody could even guess that over 110,000 of people will come to the streets of Moscow to say: "Russia without Putin!":



What Putin did during these protests? I'll tell you. The coward just fled the country, because he was shitting in pants of fear.

Course I'm talking about the people with a brain (nobody is interested to know that a herd is thinking). If you look into the Russian history, you will see that all changes were made by very small groups of people that live in capitals. In 1917 is was Saint Petersburg, in 1991 it was Moscow.

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klinton

well... they quote polls about Putin's approval in Russia. I think that they maybe somehow right....

each revolution becomes carricature of itself.... So tell me when Russia was actually a democratic country ? democracy in your country leads to lawless anarchy, thats my oipinion. but maybe I'm wrong here and maybe new generations of Russians (young people) raised on internet, new media, open to the world - think different. maybe. but how many of such young people does your country have ? maybe they are new burgeoiuse of your country , that the other young people - poor, uneducated and nationalistic will gladly eat alive..just like bolsheviks did in 1917.
some countries - overall - are just not good for "democracies". They rather need strong authoritarian regime to keep them together... the other countries on the other hand - claim that they have democracies, but its people live like clueless sheep....the other countries claim to have democracies but in reality they live in oligarchias....
Look what happened after implementing democracy in Libya, Syria, Iraq..whatever...Russia is of course different story - you are civilised people, you can actually have some critical discurse even under authoritarian regime, you are kind of monolitic nation (not tribes), you have tradition of great culture opposing stupidity and lawness...but....usually in societies there is like maybe 10-20 % of the people that think for themselves and think at all... the rest are just clueless sheep that need stability..and very often - strong father figure ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41qWoysAA_M

just a punk

Tell me when your country was? I'll tell you: never. It has even never had a sovereignty during the latest centuries (it has been under Czarist Russia, Germans, Soviets, Americans etc) This is the point when a further discussion becomes absolute useless. Man, there is no true democracy anywhere. Americans are so proud to be a democratic nation. Do you really think they are? They even have no direct voting system. Just recently most of Americans have voted for Clinton. And what they've got? Trump???

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klinton

there is one -in Switzerland. direct referendum system - people go vote every few months to debate most important issues.

(almost like in Crimea -but still very different: winkwink: )

klinton

well it is oligarchic partitocracy now...but still - there are some balances and checks over it (still )

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Seo, non Putin voters can be his approvers as we'll ( for example voted for somebody else, but also liked Putin as second favorite etc). Just showing obvious flaws in your reasoning

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just a punk

Just like Putin's voters can be his non-approvals, because most of his votes were falsified and many have voted because they were forced to. All prisons and psychiatric facilities have voted for him. Surprised?

This picture is not a fake. The kind and nice people from the election committee help old people to vote at home... for a right candidate of course:



That's how Putin was able to get his 63,6%. The Guardian won't write about it but I live in Russia and know the truth, because everybody here knows it.

As about Crimea, so yes it was a 100% sure way for Putin to get a national support after his total fuck up in 2011-2012. His problem is that there is no other land like Crimea he could annex for the same reason. Crimea was the only place, considered by both Russian citizens and by Crimean ones as an occupated territory. The interest to Crimea is lowering too fast and Putin has to find out something else. I feel for him, because it's a very hard goal today...

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63,6% (real around 50% or less) was in 2012 but 86% now after Crimea and anti-Russian sanctions. It is Russia...more sanctions - more support for leader, no different for Putin or Stalin or Ivan IV Terrible

and not good anti-Putin propaganda, of course...for example
real photo


propaganda


and ask Sid70 for more shit about Russia

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>anti-Russian sanctions
After that not support Putin only idiots

lys11

Which leader?
Tell me one worthy leader for such a huge country like Russia

just a punk

I don't know about a single anti-Russian sanction (if you know something, please enlighten me). As about Crimea, so it's quite true. The annexation has temporary increased Putin's popularity in about two times. The problem (his problem, not mine) is that people get bored with it and every day much less of them give a flying fuck about Crimea. They start asking questions like: "where is the money, mofo?"



Да любой вменяемый человек. Не мент и не швея, разумеется, ибо наличие достаточно серьезного уровня образования все же должно быть. Ну и воспитание конечно же. Базовые общечеловеческие правила вроде "не укради" он тоже должен знать. Ну, а больше и не надо. Население России в два раза меньше, чем население США и что? Не такая уж мы и большая страна, как оказывается... Сдалай президентом Штатов осла и даже он не сможет испортить жизнь рядового гражданина страны. Зато нашему это как два пальца обоссать.



During the national referendum in 1934 84.6% of Germans had the same question: "Who, if not Hitler?" When their national leader has annexed Czechoslovakia, his approval rating was even higher. Should I remind you how has he ended?

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just a punk

Yes, Russia has a bad ass military power, but do you really think that a global war is the only future for Putin to keep his throne? Only an idiot may think that he can win a war against the whole world. The only thing Russia can do is to totally destroy it... and be destroyed too. This propaganda resembles Germany of 1939, but with another level of destruction power. I'm talking about WMD's of course.

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klinton

Hitler was mentally ill person and on top of that he had inferority complex. he chose to hate, not to love.
comparing Putin to Hitler is without sense, as:
Putin is common sense guy. he neither hates and loves..he judges rationally with common sense. he prolly loves money, women and power, all equally. maybe he loves power little more than first two things, no idea rather rational guy
its like comparing Trump to Hitler...also completely without sense, as:
Trump loves money and women. prefers to love than to hate definitely. he is not mentally ill like Hitler was, he just has little narcisstic disorder

just a punk

I don't compare them personally. I do compare the whole situation.

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Sarn

If the sanctions and troops on our borders remain, I will vote for Putin

The economy still does not work."Hungry" and angry people to become more and more. Putin or send them on war or they start war with him. Guess what he chooses)

just a punk

Hmm... let me guess... because of NATO?

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klinton

yes, thats why Russia has to stand united under one leader and one party, United Russia

Sarn

Russia has undergone significant changes since the collapse of the Soviet Union, moving from a centrally planned economy towards a more market-based system. Both economic growth and reform have stalled in recent years, however, and Russia remains a predominantly statist economy with a high concentration of wealth in officials' hands. Economic reforms in the 1990s privatized most industry, with notable exceptions in the energy, transportation, banking, and defense-related sectors. The protection of property rights is still weak, and the state continues to interfere in the free operation of the private sector.
Russia is one of the world's leading producers of oil and natural gas, and is also a top exporter of metals such as steel and primary aluminum. Russia's reliance on commodity exports makes it vulnerable to boom and bust cycles that follow the volatile swings in global prices.
The economy, which had averaged 7% growth during 1998-2008 as oil prices rose rapidly, has seen diminishing growth rates since then due to the exhaustion of Russia?s commodity-based growth model.
A combination of falling oil prices, international sanctions, and structural limitations pushed Russia into a deep recession in 2015, with the GDP falling by close to 4%. Most economists expect this downturn will continue through 2016. Government support for import substitution has increased recently in an effort to diversify the economy away from extractive industries. Although the Russian Ministry of Economic Development is forecasting a modest growth of 0.7% for 2016 as a whole, the Central Bank of Russia (CBR) is more pessimistic and expects the recovery to begin later in the year and a decline of 0.5% to 1.0% for the full year. Russia is heavily dependent on the movement of world commodity prices and the CBR estimates that if oil prices remain below $40 per barrel beyond 2016, the resulting shock would cause GDP to fall by up to 5%.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/rs.html

just a punk

I've learned the basics of economy and I know why ruble is tied to the oil price. Please tell me how all that shit is related to the NATO expansion and "sanctions" that make you vote for the kisser of kiddie bellies?

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Sarn

And Poland must start pay 3% GDP for Trump Because politics)

just a punk

That's very funny. The video was on youtube for many months, but right when I posted it here, Google has removed it for "copyright infringement" (Putin is a copyrighted word, is someone didn't know it). God bless youtube, god bless the American freedom

Ok, how long it will take to block this one:

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Sarn

You need deep knowledge about economics for understand.

klinton

its called offset investment brother. and its always good to pay for protection, especially if you dont have nukes
but it is of course better to live in peaceful world...

Sarn

It game named good "cop" - bad "cop". And the entire growth of your GDP will go to Trump.

just a punk

Here is everything that should be enough to know even for you:



Do you have anything to add, comrade? In 2014 oil prices went into a tailspin, so ruble did. Sanctions my ass

P.S. You brainwashed clowns can't get a simple basics of economy. You live in shit not because of sanctions, but because of Putin who has put you on the oil syringe needle. Vote for him and make your anus wider.

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klinton

I highly doubt sir, but if this is what they tell you in national TV... then ok ;-)

Sarn

You one reason why economics in russia work bad, because you do not understand how it works.
You can check it) How much % of GDP Poland will spend for NATO? And how much the growth of GDP))

PR_Glen

No, it's really quite simple. Other countries are purposely driving down the price of oil right now and it is directly impacting your economy--Canada's as well actually but no where near as bad. It is worse than any specific sanctions against Russia. Maybe if Putin spent less time lining his own pockets essentially making himself a king and worked harder towards helping his own nations interests instead other nations would work with him instead.

I think it is pretty shady what is going on with oil prices right now myself, don't get me wrong, but he has done this to himself with his actions and his continued downward spiral into his involvement with staying in power. From what CyberSEO is posting it seems like the people are starting to stand up to him.

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just a punk

O'rly? Go enlighten me, boy ;) When I read your English, I'm starting thinking you have a real good education. Средняя школа? Неужели ПТУ? ;)

The same picture actually:



Starting? Russians have got tired of him in 2011. The annexation of Crimea has helped the little king for some time, but now this card almost doesn't play. Putin is not as wise as you think. He has shifted the president's election of 2018 to... the day of annexation of Crimea! Is he stupid so much? Yes, he is. He thinks he can play the same card twice.

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Sarn

I posted about "Putin's" economy before. Section of the economy, accurately describes what is happening.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/rs.html

"A combination of falling oil prices, international sanctions(finansial sector), and structural limitations(putins despotism,bureaucrats,gangsters,police-gangsters) pushed Russia into a deep recession in 2015, with the GDP falling by close to 4%."

"Russia has undergone significant changes since the collapse of the Soviet Union, moving from a centrally planned economy towards a more market-based system. Both economic growth and reform have stalled in recent years, however, and Russia remains a predominantly statist economy with a high concentration of wealth in officials' hands. Economic reforms in the 1990s privatized(stolen from country and people) most industry, with notable exceptions in the energy, transportation, banking, and defense-related sectors. The protection of property rights is still weak, and the state continues to interfere in the free operation of the private sector."

But he not say about "National guard"(police-gangsters) which Putin created for war against Revolutionary like CyberSEO

Economic university
i have bad mark in english(Putin too), but 2+2=4 always(if not change numeral system).

just a punk

FYI: Putin speaks English 100x times better than you.

Ah those brave bearded Chechen warriors of Sharia (watch your video at 3:40). Allahu Akbar, comrade? To whose who didn't get it. Comrade Sarn has posted a video of Putin's private army of Chechen Islamists. Is it good or not - you decide...

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Sarn

Yes and Putin's private army of Chechen Islamists too.
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And "Cossacks" clowns

He long time ago start build this "private armies" on oil money

klinton

IMO they are good as they are only loyal to the state, not to jihad.
state= Kadyrow and Putin.
I think that it was actually smartest idea that Putin could do there in Chechenya - install another autocrat to avoid mess. And yeah, Kadyrow is still loyal Putin and prolly will be, its a symbosis

Sarn

Smarter idea move war from Chechnya in our streets? Kadyrow and his own "isis" not loyal he just simulate it and take big oil money from Putin and them pocket "isis" work in the "police" now = make crime around country and having immunity to law. Always funny listen what big Putin nationalist.

According to some Russian sources, from 1991 to 1994 tens of thousands of people of non-Chechen ethnicity (mostly Russians, Ukrainians and Armenians) left the republic amidst reports of violence and discrimination against the non-Chechen population, as well as widespread lawlessness and ethnic cleansing under the government of Dzhokhar Dudayev.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya

just a punk

Yep, they are clowns. The Chechen army of Putin is not. These guys a bad ass.





This is the private army which is being trained and equipped by Putin for the Russian oil money.

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klinton

Preatorians, just in case ?

just a punk

A life stream of what's going on in various Russian cities right now:



Does it look like a 80% support of Putin like Western media tries to paint it? I don't think so...

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Sarn

Yes bad ass

But protests against Medvedev = sabotage of protest.
And it start in Vladivostok ,one of the most remote cities from Putin's Moscow

Odysseus

Putin's policy looks adequately.
I think he deserves title of number one (for today) in the World.

just a punk

Yes, he's a #1 coward in the world The old man uses police to arrest unarmed citizens for just walking by the street. Everybody can see how scared your Putin is right now.

Watch the life streams below. This happens right now (in this particular moment) in the center of Moscow:





The last argument of Putin:



klinton, do you understand that your point of view is a nonce? What 80% are you talking about? Show me at least one person who supports Putin for his own will (not for money). Only cops "support" the thief here. The live feeds are still in air - just watch them. I can see only the protestors there and zero Putin's supporters... How come?

Over 130 were already arrested in Moscow today (don't even mention the arrests in about 100 Russians cities). For no reason. Federal television controlled by the thief keeps silence. Do you think the Western media will cover it?

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Sarn

Foreign policy yes. Inside full fuck up.

just a punk

The thief has no foreign policy at all.

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Sarn

Go in street to protest against him

just a punk

А в жопу не вдуть? За Сирию, за Ассада и за Трампа?

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Sarn

Coward