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Steve Rupe · 03-15-2017, 06:00 PM

approval rating by voters is down by 5%, I think is the number. So the voters are apparently not even going to give him a 100 day pass. The voters also are overwhelmingly not in favor of him Tweeting.

Robbie · 03-15-2017, 06:20 PM

I am just not sure anymore how much credence to put in polls.

I thought about it logically...We are a country of 319 million people spread out over a large geographical area.
The polls that we are shown consist of either 500 or 1000 people responding according to which polling company does it.

And I thought about it...what would the average person do if they got cold called and somebody started asking them to "take a poll"?
I believe that most people would hang up on them instantly.

The very few that actually would take the time to let some stranger interrupt their day or evening with a poll are most likely people who either have nothing to do, are a little bit "off", or have a specific agenda (not an open mind).

And then there is the issue of WHERE the polling sample is taken. My guess is that you would get wildly different answers from steel workers in Pittsburgh vs. liberals in Beverly Hills vs. people in a small town in Alabama vs. New Yorkers...etc.

That's why the polls were all wrong during the Presidential campaign. The polls are outdated in my opinion. They are asking the wrong people in the wrong places.

And even IF they could somehow get a perfectly percentaged group of people that were exactly a mirror image of the entire country...it STILL wouldn't be able to be accurate when they only use 500 to 1000 people out of over 300 million people.

I think in the past...a poll was put out by a newspaper or reported on television news, and it sort of had the ability to create a perception amongst people. Because that was the only source of information over the last decades.
You know what I mean...you'd hear that "75% of Americans approve of bananas" and you would think to yourself..."Hey, I guess I approve of them too!"

But these days? People can access things for themselves online.
And I'm not talking about "fake news" or Facebook feeds. That's way too simplistic a way to understand what's going on.

People these days can actually google up a subject and find information for themselves.

For instance, we can instantly find video footage of politicians saying one thing a few years ago...and the exact opposite thing now.
Or a news organization reporting something (like the recent wiretapping that they all reported on in Jan. when it made Trump look bad) and then pretending they don't remember reporting it (like they are doing now when they question Trump about his allegation of being under surveillance).

They used to be able to get away with that. Not anymore.

I'd bet you that Trump voters haven't changed their minds one little bit about Trump. Matter of fact, the more that the media (especially CNN) does NOTHING but attack him every day...the more it's causing his supporters to dig in deeper.

If the Democrats and CNN and MSNBC, etc. really wanted to hurt Trump...they would just stop piling on every day and leave him alone. Actually just start reporting the hundreds of actual news stories that are happening every day.

I tuned into Fox a couple of days ago and saw that Iran was fucking with our navy ships, then I saw that the U.S. is deploying anti-missile technology in South Korea in response to North Korea testing another ICBM. Then I saw that Tillerson is on his way to China for high level talks.
I saw all of that reported in about 10 minutes time.

Then I switched over to CNN and what did I see?
You guessed it...Anderson Cooper with another "Panel" of "analysts" all babbling on and on about how Trump sucks.
Not one shred of news was reported.

Anyway, I digress. I don't believe the polls are very accurate these days. For all the reasons I gave at the beginning of my soliloquy.

kane · 03-15-2017, 06:26 PM

Gallup has him at a 40% approval rating which is down from his high of 45% which is where he was after his first joint sessions speech about a week ago. He got a bump from that, but then he started tweeting about Obama wiretapping him and the GOP's dumpster fire of a healthcare bill getting nothing but bad press seems to have brought him back down.

It appears, at this point, the only people who approve of him and the job he is doing are those who voted for him and he doesn't appear to have any interest in trying to do anything but pander to them.

kane · 03-15-2017, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I am just not sure anymore how much credence to put in polls.

I thought about it logically...We are a country of 319 million people spread out over a large geographical area.
The polls that we are shown consist of either 500 or 1000 people responding according to which polling company does it.

And I thought about it...what would the average person do if they got cold called and somebody started asking them to "take a poll"?
I believe that most people would hang up on them instantly.

The very few that actually would take the time to let some stranger interrupt their day or evening with a poll are most likely people who either have nothing to do, are a little bit "off", or have a specific agenda (not an open mind).

And then there is the issue of WHERE the polling sample is taken. My guess is that you would get wildly different answers from steel workers in Pittsburgh vs. liberals in Beverly Hills vs. people in a small town in Alabama vs. New Yorkers...etc.

That's why the polls were all wrong during the Presidential campaign. The polls are outdated in my opinion. They are asking the wrong people in the wrong places.

And even IF they could somehow get a perfectly percentaged group of people that were exactly a mirror image of the entire country...it STILL wouldn't be able to be accurate when they only use 500 to 1000 people out of over 300 million people.

I think in the past...a poll was put out by a newspaper or reported on television news, and it sort of had the ability to create a perception amongst people. Because that was the only source of information over the last decades.
You know what I mean...you'd hear that "75% of Americans approve of bananas" and you would think to yourself..."Hey, I guess I approve of them too!"

But these days? People can access things for themselves online.
And I'm not talking about "fake news" or Facebook feeds. That's way too simplistic a way to understand what's going on.

People these days can actually google up a subject and find information for themselves.

For instance, we can instantly find video footage of politicians saying one thing a few years ago...and the exact opposite thing now.
Or a news organization reporting something (like the recent wiretapping that they all reported on in Jan. when it made Trump look bad) and then pretending they don't remember reporting it (like they are doing now when they question Trump about his allegation of being under surveillance).

They used to be able to get away with that. Not anymore.

I'd bet you that Trump voters haven't changed their minds one little bit about Trump. Matter of fact, the more that the media (especially CNN) does NOTHING but attack him every day...the more it's causing his supporters to dig in deeper.

If the Democrats and CNN and MSNBC, etc. really wanted to hurt Trump...they would just stop piling on every day and leave him alone. Actually just start reporting the hundreds of actual news stories that are happening every day.

I tuned into Fox a couple of days ago and saw that Iran was fucking with our navy ships, then I saw that the U.S. is deploying anti-missile technology in South Korea in response to North Korea testing another ICBM. Then I saw that Tillerson is on his way to China for high level talks.
I saw all of that reported in about 10 minutes time.

Then I switched over to CNN and what did I see?
You guessed it...Anderson Cooper with another "Panel" of "analysts" all babbling on and on about how Trump sucks.
Not one shred of news was reported.

Anyway, I digress. I don't believe the polls are very accurate these days. For all the reasons I gave at the beginning of my soliloquy.

To me, there is a big difference between a voting poll and an approval rating poll. With the approval rating poll, the person needs to just answer the questions honestly for it to be accurate. With a voting poll things are different because you are asking them how they plan to vote and then they actually have to turn out and vote the way they said they were going to in order for it to be accurate.

Robbie · 03-15-2017, 06:52 PM

Yeah, kane...but that still doesn't address what I said about the amount of people polled, the geographic locations of the people polled, the type of person who would even answer a poll from a cold call, etc.

They just aren't accurate.

I remember during the campaign that Trump was touting how he was winning on all the online polls.
And Anderson Cooper and company openly laughed at him over that and pooh-poohed the idea that an online poll could be accurate as opposed to the polls that CNN and every other media outlet was using.

Turned out that the online polling WAS accurate and the vaunted "traditional" polling was 100% wrong.
Same thing happened in England with "Brexit"

I believe that traditional polling is outdated and will never reflect any true accuracy. Technology has left those polls behind.

And yes, I know very well that online polling is easy to screw with.
But quite frankly...so is traditional polling.

If I were a pollster and wanted to make Trump look great (which none of them do, his victory made them all look horrible)...I would easily be able to ask the right question in the right manner to the right people and get the result I wanted.

Steve Rupe · 03-15-2017, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I am just not sure anymore how much credence to put in polls.

I thought about it logically...We are a country of 319 million people spread out over a large geographical area.
The polls that we are shown consist of either 500 or 1000 people responding according to which polling company does it.

And I thought about it...what would the average person do if they got cold called and somebody started asking them to "take a poll"?
I believe that most people would hang up on them instantly.

The very few that actually would take the time to let some stranger interrupt their day or evening with a poll are most likely people who either have nothing to do, are a little bit "off", or have a specific agenda (not an open mind).

And then there is the issue of WHERE the polling sample is taken. My guess is that you would get wildly different answers from steel workers in Pittsburgh vs. liberals in Beverly Hills vs. people in a small town in Alabama vs. New Yorkers...etc.

That's why the polls were all wrong during the Presidential campaign. The polls are outdated in my opinion. They are asking the wrong people in the wrong places.

And even IF they could somehow get a perfectly percentaged group of people that were exactly a mirror image of the entire country...it STILL wouldn't be able to be accurate when they only use 500 to 1000 people out of over 300 million people.

I think in the past...a poll was put out by a newspaper or reported on television news, and it sort of had the ability to create a perception amongst people. Because that was the only source of information over the last decades.
You know what I mean...you'd hear that "75% of Americans approve of bananas" and you would think to yourself..."Hey, I guess I approve of them too!"

But these days? People can access things for themselves online.
And I'm not talking about "fake news" or Facebook feeds. That's way too simplistic a way to understand what's going on.

People these days can actually google up a subject and find information for themselves.

For instance, we can instantly find video footage of politicians saying one thing a few years ago...and the exact opposite thing now.
Or a news organization reporting something (like the recent wiretapping that they all reported on in Jan. when it made Trump look bad) and then pretending they don't remember reporting it (like they are doing now when they question Trump about his allegation of being under surveillance).

They used to be able to get away with that. Not anymore.

I'd bet you that Trump voters haven't changed their minds one little bit about Trump. Matter of fact, the more that the media (especially CNN) does NOTHING but attack him every day...the more it's causing his supporters to dig in deeper.

If the Democrats and CNN and MSNBC, etc. really wanted to hurt Trump...they would just stop piling on every day and leave him alone. Actually just start reporting the hundreds of actual news stories that are happening every day.

I tuned into Fox a couple of days ago and saw that Iran was fucking with our navy ships, then I saw that the U.S. is deploying anti-missile technology in South Korea in response to North Korea testing another ICBM. Then I saw that Tillerson is on his way to China for high level talks.
I saw all of that reported in about 10 minutes time.

Then I switched over to CNN and what did I see?
You guessed it...Anderson Cooper with another "Panel" of "analysts" all babbling on and on about how Trump sucks.
Not one shred of news was reported.

Anyway, I digress. I don't believe the polls are very accurate these days. For all the reasons I gave at the beginning of my soliloquy.

Thru out most of my adult life I have taken polls with a grain of salt. Since the polls were so wrong about the results predicted prior to this last Presidential election, I now do not look at polls as a reliable indicator at all, about any subject.

Robbie · 03-15-2017, 06:59 PM

LOL...
Watch this video of a liberal nerd making fun of KellyAnne Conway vs. Anderson Cooper back during the election.

Conway was saying that Hillary's numbers were horrible. And Anderson Cooper tells her that the POLLS say she's doing much better than Trump.

And this guy and his dork buddies are laughing their ass off at it.

Talk about total backfire! Watch how smug this guy was and how cock Cooper was. And they wonder why people are rejecting the Democrat Party.

kane · 03-15-2017, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, kane...but that still doesn't address what I said about the amount of people polled, the geographic locations of the people polled, the type of person who would even answer a poll from a cold call, etc.

They just aren't accurate.

I remember during the campaign that Trump was touting how he was winning on all the online polls.
And Anderson Cooper and company openly laughed at him over that and pooh-poohed the idea that an online poll could be accurate as opposed to the polls that CNN and every other media outlet was using.

Turned out that the online polling WAS accurate and the vaunted "traditional" polling was 100% wrong.
Same thing happened in England with "Brexit"

I believe that traditional polling is outdated and will never reflect any true accuracy. Technology has left those polls behind.

And yes, I know very well that online polling is easy to screw with.
But quite frankly...so is traditional polling.

If I were a pollster and wanted to make Trump look great (which none of them do, his victory made them all look horrible)...I would easily be able to ask the right question in the right manner to the right people and get the result I wanted.

The thing is, the polls really weren't that far off on the election.

The average of the major national polls had Clinton up by 3 points the day before the election and she won the popular vote by 2 points (the polls count actual votes not electoral votes). Most of the states where it was close the results were within the margin of error. Where they were wrong was Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. The biggest miss being Wisconsin where they had her up by 6.5 and she lost by 3. But she was within the margin of error for Michigan and Pennsylvania.

I'm not saying polls aren't flawed, but most of the time they end up being very accurate. I do think that in modern times they may need to make adjustments to how they gather their data, but I think to just dismiss them as being wrong because they missed on a couple of states in a crazy election is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

03-15-2017, 06:00 PM	#1
Steve Rupe Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 2,830	As reported by Fox "News" the Donald's approval rating by voters is down by 5%, I think is the number. So the voters are apparently not even going to give him a 100 day pass. The voters also are overwhelmingly not in favor of him Tweeting.

03-15-2017, 06:20 PM	#2
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,841	I am just not sure anymore how much credence to put in polls. I thought about it logically...We are a country of 319 million people spread out over a large geographical area. The polls that we are shown consist of either 500 or 1000 people responding according to which polling company does it. And I thought about it...what would the average person do if they got cold called and somebody started asking them to "take a poll"? I believe that most people would hang up on them instantly. The very few that actually would take the time to let some stranger interrupt their day or evening with a poll are most likely people who either have nothing to do, are a little bit "off", or have a specific agenda (not an open mind). And then there is the issue of WHERE the polling sample is taken. My guess is that you would get wildly different answers from steel workers in Pittsburgh vs. liberals in Beverly Hills vs. people in a small town in Alabama vs. New Yorkers...etc. That's why the polls were all wrong during the Presidential campaign. The polls are outdated in my opinion. They are asking the wrong people in the wrong places. And even IF they could somehow get a perfectly percentaged group of people that were exactly a mirror image of the entire country...it STILL wouldn't be able to be accurate when they only use 500 to 1000 people out of over 300 million people. I think in the past...a poll was put out by a newspaper or reported on television news, and it sort of had the ability to create a perception amongst people. Because that was the only source of information over the last decades. You know what I mean...you'd hear that "75% of Americans approve of bananas" and you would think to yourself..."Hey, I guess I approve of them too!" But these days? People can access things for themselves online. And I'm not talking about "fake news" or Facebook feeds. That's way too simplistic a way to understand what's going on. People these days can actually google up a subject and find information for themselves. For instance, we can instantly find video footage of politicians saying one thing a few years ago...and the exact opposite thing now. Or a news organization reporting something (like the recent wiretapping that they all reported on in Jan. when it made Trump look bad) and then pretending they don't remember reporting it (like they are doing now when they question Trump about his allegation of being under surveillance). They used to be able to get away with that. Not anymore. I'd bet you that Trump voters haven't changed their minds one little bit about Trump. Matter of fact, the more that the media (especially CNN) does NOTHING but attack him every day...the more it's causing his supporters to dig in deeper. If the Democrats and CNN and MSNBC, etc. really wanted to hurt Trump...they would just stop piling on every day and leave him alone. Actually just start reporting the hundreds of actual news stories that are happening every day. I tuned into Fox a couple of days ago and saw that Iran was fucking with our navy ships, then I saw that the U.S. is deploying anti-missile technology in South Korea in response to North Korea testing another ICBM. Then I saw that Tillerson is on his way to China for high level talks. I saw all of that reported in about 10 minutes time. Then I switched over to CNN and what did I see? You guessed it...Anderson Cooper with another "Panel" of "analysts" all babbling on and on about how Trump sucks. Not one shred of news was reported. Anyway, I digress. I don't believe the polls are very accurate these days. For all the reasons I gave at the beginning of my soliloquy. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

03-15-2017, 06:52 PM	#5
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,841	Yeah, kane...but that still doesn't address what I said about the amount of people polled, the geographic locations of the people polled, the type of person who would even answer a poll from a cold call, etc. They just aren't accurate. I remember during the campaign that Trump was touting how he was winning on all the online polls. And Anderson Cooper and company openly laughed at him over that and pooh-poohed the idea that an online poll could be accurate as opposed to the polls that CNN and every other media outlet was using. Turned out that the online polling WAS accurate and the vaunted "traditional" polling was 100% wrong. Same thing happened in England with "Brexit" I believe that traditional polling is outdated and will never reflect any true accuracy. Technology has left those polls behind. And yes, I know very well that online polling is easy to screw with. But quite frankly...so is traditional polling. If I were a pollster and wanted to make Trump look great (which none of them do, his victory made them all look horrible)...I would easily be able to ask the right question in the right manner to the right people and get the result I wanted. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

03-15-2017, 06:59 PM	#7
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,841	LOL... Watch this video of a liberal nerd making fun of KellyAnne Conway vs. Anderson Cooper back during the election. Conway was saying that Hillary's numbers were horrible. And Anderson Cooper tells her that the POLLS say she's doing much better than Trump. And this guy and his dork buddies are laughing their ass off at it. Talk about total backfire! Watch how smug this guy was and how cock Cooper was. And they wonder why people are rejecting the Democrat Party. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

03-15-2017, 06:26 PM	#3
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	Gallup has him at a 40% approval rating which is down from his high of 45% which is where he was after his first joint sessions speech about a week ago. He got a bump from that, but then he started tweeting about Obama wiretapping him and the GOP's dumpster fire of a healthcare bill getting nothing but bad press seems to have brought him back down. It appears, at this point, the only people who approve of him and the job he is doing are those who voted for him and he doesn't appear to have any interest in trying to do anything but pander to them.