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Old 03-07-2017, 06:30 PM   #51
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Mark, what I'm reading is that the people "behind the project" are "close relatives to a guy named Mammadov who is part of the govt. in charge of projects.

And an unnamed (of course) U.S. official said this guy is even more corrupt than the other people of the country.

So stopping right there for one second...a "U.S. official" says this as a source? For what reason would this person NOT go on the record? Just ridiculous.
And then this "U.S. official" who we aren't allowed to know his identity because you know...he works for us...basically says that everybody in the country is "corrupt", but this guy Mammadov is the worst of the bunch.
Nice racism there.

And then much further down...if you can keep from falling asleep with the wall of breathless text...we are told that the Mammadov FAMILY (whatever that means in this context): "for years, it has been financially entangled with an Iranian family tied to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps"

So a guy knows a guy who knows a guy who has invested money with a "family" in Iran who is "tied" to Iran's Revolutionary Guard????

Seriously?

And now Trump is in BIG trouble.
I think the media is really, really grasping at every straw they can.

IF that's the kind of thing that causes trouble...then Hillary and Bill would have long ago been in prison with the Clinton Foundation.

EVERYBODY in the Middle East is related to a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who has a family in Iran who know a guy.

I can't take that kind of story with ANY seriousness at all.
I don't think that Bill and Hillary should go to jail either for the shit they pull in the Middle East with their foundation.

Howdy.

Of course, you could be right, but then again, not everyone wants to release facts and state their names, which is why for now anyway, this could all just be fluff. Trump would not go to jail unless there was actual real proof of this, with actual witnesses and sworn statements, etc. The sub-title of the article includes "Appears to be", after all.

Trust me, I'm all about proof. So far it LOOKS like Trump is a "bad dude" (his words), and it "looks like" he has all kinds of ties to all kinds of nasty people. It's easy to draw conclusions form appearances but appearances isn't what puts people behind bars. Only facts.
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:03 PM   #52
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I just saw a few minutes of the OReilly Factor on Fox News while I was eating a sandwich.

O'Reilly had a Senator from Arkansas on who is on the Intelligence Committee.

He wouldn't answer anything outright that had to do with intelligence gathering, but O'Reilly pushed him hard and got him to admit the he KNOWS which agency leaked the conversation between Gen. Flynn and the Russian ambassador. (which is a felony to leak that)

Anyway...the interview was pretty interesting as O'Reilly really kept dogging this Republican to give him some info on what they know.

The one thing that really caught my attention was this:
He explained that the DOJ was run by the Obama Administration until Jan. 20th.
And that the FBI is of course...part of the DOJ.

He said that all of the former Obama officials who worked there until Jan. 20th had access to all kinds of classified info. And he said it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that those Obama people are the "Former DOJ and FBI officials" that the media uses as their "Source" for the allegations they keep making on a daily basis.

My guess is that the "unnamed US official" was a Democrat who worked under the Obama administration and is just as angry about Trump winning the election as all the Democrats in Washington D.C. are.

CNN and the New York Times and Washington Post and Rolling Stone and pretty much any media outlet aren't telling us who these sources are...because they know that the story's would no longer hold any credence if it was revealed that it's political b.s.

That's just the way things have been since Trump won the election.
Remember? CNN and Hillary Clinton and all the Democrats were saying that when Trump lost by the landslide that they were so wrong about...he needed to accept the results and support Hillary as President.
And if he didn't...he was destroying "our" democracy.

Funny how since day one of Trump taking office, the Democrats have funded, attended, and publicized protests in the streets against Pres. Trump and Chuck Schumer (who has been a close friend of Trump for decades) came out and said that he would lead the Senate Democrats to oppose ANYTHING that Trump does. Doesn't matter what it is or if it's beneficial to helping people get good jobs or even if Trump cures cancer...Schumer and the Democrats are going to oppose it.

Sounds exactly like what they said Trump SHOULDN'T do when they erroneously thought Hillary was going to win. lol
The hypocrisy of these politicians and CNN is just astounding.

EDIT: Drifting back to the Flynn conversation with the Russian Ambassador for a second...O'Reilly also asked the Arkansas Republican on the Intelligence Committee if he knew if Flynn had been inside Trump tower when that conversation took place that was wiretapped. The guy wouldn't answer...but in light of Trump saying that Obama had Trump Tower under surveillance, this whole thing could blow up in the Democrats faces if that turns out to be true.
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:16 PM   #53
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I tried to read it and find out what Trump has done that's illegal. Gave up half way through.
don't even try next time, with libbies posting articles with twisted sensationalist titles etc.
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I just saw a few minutes of the OReilly Factor on Fox News while I was eating a sandwich.

O'Reilly had a Senator from Arkansas on who is on the Intelligence Committee.

He wouldn't answer anything outright that had to do with intelligence gathering, but O'Reilly pushed him hard and got him to admit the he KNOWS which agency leaked the conversation between Gen. Flynn and the Russian ambassador. (which is a felony to leak that)

Anyway...the interview was pretty interesting as O'Reilly really kept dogging this Republican to give him some info on what they know.

The one thing that really caught my attention was this:
He explained that the DOJ was run by the Obama Administration until Jan. 20th.
And that the FBI is of course...part of the DOJ.

He said that all of the former Obama officials who worked there until Jan. 20th had access to all kinds of classified info. And he said it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that those Obama people are the "Former DOJ and FBI officials" that the media uses as their "Source" for the allegations they keep making on a daily basis.

My guess is that the "unnamed US official" was a Democrat who worked under the Obama administration and is just as angry about Trump winning the election as all the Democrats in Washington D.C. are.

CNN and the New York Times and Washington Post and Rolling Stone and pretty much any media outlet aren't telling us who these sources are...because they know that the story's would no longer hold any credence if it was revealed that it's political b.s.

That's just the way things have been since Trump won the election.
Remember? CNN and Hillary Clinton and all the Democrats were saying that when Trump lost by the landslide that they were so wrong about...he needed to accept the results and support Hillary as President.
And if he didn't...he was destroying "our" democracy.

Funny how since day one of Trump taking office, the Democrats have funded, attended, and publicized protests in the streets against Pres. Trump and Chuck Schumer (who has been a close friend of Trump for decades) came out and said that he would lead the Senate Democrats to oppose ANYTHING that Trump does. Doesn't matter what it is or if it's beneficial to helping people get good jobs or even if Trump cures cancer...Schumer and the Democrats are going to oppose it.

Sounds exactly like what they said Trump SHOULDN'T do when they erroneously thought Hillary was going to win. lol
The hypocrisy of these politicians and CNN is just astounding.

EDIT: Drifting back to the Flynn conversation with the Russian Ambassador for a second...O'Reilly also asked the Arkansas Republican on the Intelligence Committee if he knew if Flynn had been inside Trump tower when that conversation took place that was wiretapped. The guy wouldn't answer...but in light of Trump saying that Obama had Trump Tower under surveillance, this whole thing could blow up in the Democrats faces if that turns out to be true.
Do you think maybe this unnamed US official leaked the info because he's a patriot who doesn't like the idea of a presidential candidate colluding with Russia to get elected?

You know, leaks don't happen when things are rosy and going great. They happen when there's a shit circus that needs to be exposed. That's what whistleblowing is all about...blowing a whistle on bullshit that needs to see the light of day.

You Republicans are so caught up in your golden boy getting ratted out, you forget how egregious the charges are and should taken VERY seriously. All of this smoke means there's fire.
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Do you think maybe this unnamed US official leaked the info because he's a patriot who doesn't like the idea of a presidential candidate colluding with Russia to get elected?

You know, leaks don't happen when things are rosy and going great. They happen when there's a shit circus that needs to be exposed.
Where is the proof that Trump "colluded" with Russia...and how did it work to get him elected?
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Where is the proof that Trump "colluded" with Russia...and how did it work to get him elected?
You keep saying "where is the proof?" The FBI is working on it dickhead and we'll all know eventually. When it drops it's going to be hyuuuuge. There may be people in the House and Senate who will stonewall, but I believe the CIA and FBI are full of patriots who give a shit about a foreign adversary dabbling in our system.
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You keep saying "where is the proof?" The FBI is working on it dickhead and we'll all know eventually. When it drops it's going to be hyuuuuge. There may be people in the House and Senate who will stonewall, but I believe the CIA and FBI are full of patriots who give a shit about a foreign adversary dabbling in our system.
If they had anything it would already be dropped by now

We both know Trump has absolutely nothing to do with Russia. It's a total farse 100% made up to distract us from Trump's agenda and his landslide victory
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Where is the proof that Trump "colluded" with Russia...and how did it work to get him elected?
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...eech-reception

Once again Trump is proven to have lied about meeting Russians. It's now come out Trump himself met with the Russian ambassador at a "INVITE ONLY" after speech reception. Means yes the Russian ambassador was invited to be there..

First it was no one in his campaign, then it was Flynn, Trump's Son, then sessions now Trump.. Seems for "NO ONE" having contacts we are seeing lots of meetings and contacts with Russians..

You ask so many questions wanting proof but time and time again Trump has lied to you and you always excuse it away. Why don't you hold Trump to the same standards you hold us on GFY?
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Once again Trump is proven to have lied about meeting Russians. It's now come out Trump himself met with the Russian ambassador at a "INVITE ONLY" after speech reception...
I'm sure he met with dozens upon dozens of ambassadors and even mobsters in his time

Okay? Again where's the proof that he "colluded" with "russia" to "hack" the election?

Dude you are grasping at straws to say the least here
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I'm sure he met with dozens upon dozens of ambassadors and even mobsters in his time

Okay? Again where's the proof that he "colluded" with "russia" to "hack" the election?

Dude you are grasping at straws to say the least here
Answer my question.. Why do you keep ignoring the fact Trump has lied about this?
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Answer my question.. Why do you keep ignoring the fact Trump has lied about this?
What has he lied about?
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Do you smoke meth?
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Once again Drumpf is proven to have lied about meeting Russians. It's now come out Trump himself met with the Russian ambassador at a "INVITE ONLY" after speech reception. Means yes the Russian ambassador was invited to be there..

First it was no one in his campaign, then it was Flynn, Trump's Son, then sessions now Trump.. Seems for "NO ONE" having contacts we are seeing lots of meetings and contacts with Russians..

You ask so many questions wanting proof but time and time again Trump has lied to you and you always excuse it away. Why don't you hold Trump to the same standards you hold us on GFY?
There are a lot of other connections too.

Years ago Trump sold an estate in Florida to a Russian billionaire named Dmitry Rybolovlev. It seems that his plane showed up on Trump's campaign trail multiple times, including Florida, Vegas, Charlotte, etc....

One of the flights was really odd. They claim the plane needed to take on fuel for... what was a twenty-four mile flight. This is an airplane that can fly across oceans.

The connections from Russians to Trump is stacking up, and you know we'll find even more in the near future.

White House denounces 'conspiracy' on Trump, Rybolovlev - Business Insider
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It was a long winded article but basically the Trump group licensed their name but more importantly had direct control of every aspect of the building construction once they came on board.

Any money laundering going on at that point happens as the Trump family was over seeing the project and they would be profiting from it even if they were not directly involved.

His daughter was on the site every month, every thing that went on had to be ok'ed by the Trump family..

Either they knew there was corruption going on , or they didn't but either way they profited from it and that is illegal.

Basically the Trump family had full control over the project and they can not claim ignorance of wrong doing because they were in charge.

Added bonus the guy they were in business with was well known as a bad guy and money launder for the Iranians. This means they went into business with a guy known to launder money on a project that was used to launder money and they ran the project..

Not much to deny about it but I'm sure it won't stop the dumb dumbs here.
Can anyone prove they broke the law in Azerbaijan?
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Paul when that kind of cash money changes hands on a construction job in the USA there is tax evasion -- bet on it. Maybe they do business differently in Azerbaijan. Never done business there.

But why anyone would want to build an outrageous luxury hotel in a shit-hole like Azerbaijan?

We need SENATE HEARINGS NOW!
Why does it need a Senate Hearing? The US doesn't rule Azerbaijan.

Once you start going down the road of politicians legal, moral, ethical, dealings you're in great a great area. One that would empty most Governments. Because you keep voting for corruption.
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I wouldn't get hopes up TBH.. this kinda stuff is what rich guys do.. Scum like Trump breaks the law, they put up a legal defense force to slow down process to a crawl then negotiate out a "fine" payment with no omission of wrong doing and go back to do it again...

He will pay a couple million in fines the money will go somewhere into the federal budget and he will do it again. The feds can announce they did their job and "fined" someone, Trump still makes money on the deal most likely or comes out ahead on other shit like this he didn't get caught at.. everyone is happy everyone wins..

Meanwhile some kids steals a six pack from store and ends up with 3 years in jail, while all these white collar scum bags like Trump buy their way out of their crimes after stealing millions from their investors.
On this we agree. And you were in favour of voting for Clinton instead of Trump. Ironic.
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Do you realize that you refuse to ever see when Trump fucks up? This is not healthy for your mind.

Responding by reflecting is not acknowledging the subject at hand: Trump corruption.
And you refuse to see the fuck ups others make. Ever since Nixon went to China your leaders have been sending US jobs to the Third World in ever increasing amounts. They're gutting America slowly but surely. To make a few very rich. Those few are paying politicians to do that.

Why are you just realising political systems are corruptible while people insist on voting the way they do??
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You keep saying "where is the proof?" The FBI is working on it dickhead and we'll all know eventually. When it drops it's going to be hyuuuuge. There may be people in the House and Senate who will stonewall, but I believe the CIA and FBI are full of patriots who give a shit about a foreign adversary dabbling in our system.
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There are a lot of other connections too.

Years ago Trump sold an estate in Florida to a Russian billionaire named Dmitry Rybolovlev. It seems that his plane showed up on Trump's campaign trail multiple times, including Florida, Vegas, Charlotte, etc....
Dmitry Rybolovlev - He was deprived of business and he fled to the United States.
http://rumafia.com/en/dosje/54-dmitriy-rybolovlev.html

Source: «The New York Times» from 05 декабря 2008
The conflict around the name of Rybolovlev burst in 2008 when two companies - Uralkali and Silvinit (Rybolovlev owns 25 percent of shares in it) - claimed the lands of Verkhnekamskoye deposit.?Silvinit? won an auction, but Rybolovlev (who owns a large stake in the company and has long dreamed of control over "Silvinit") promised to block the attraction of credits on the development of the site. Owners of "Silvinit, in turn, suggested Rybolovlev $ 2 billion for his stake.
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On this we agree. And you were in favour of voting for Clinton instead of Trump. Ironic.
I didn't vote for Clinton and I never supported her. I've only said she wouldn't fuck shit up as badly as Trump has/will. Trump is a fucking imbecile at least Clinton was fucking smart as hell.
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There are a lot of other connections too.

Years ago Trump sold an estate in Florida to a Russian billionaire named Dmitry Rybolovlev. It seems that his plane showed up on Trump's campaign trail multiple times, including Florida, Vegas, Charlotte, etc....

One of the flights was really odd. They claim the plane needed to take on fuel for... what was a twenty-four mile flight. This is an airplane that can fly across oceans.

The connections from Russians to Trump is stacking up, and you know we'll find even more in the near future.

White House denounces 'conspiracy' on Trump, Rybolovlev - Business Insider
As soon as the Russians don't get what they want out of Trump, they will start leaking shit. They wanted Trump in office over Clinton because they knew Clinton would give them shit. Now that Trump is in office they are enjoying the constant distractions of all the stupid shit he does. Eventually they will enjoy the distraction of releasing intel on him to get him impeached once they feel he's run his course for their needs. Right now he is a valuable asset, sooner or later he will be more valuable as a distraction.
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Why does it need a Senate Hearing? The US doesn't rule Azerbaijan.

Once you start going down the road of politicians legal, moral, ethical, dealings you're in great a great area. One that would empty most Governments. Because you keep voting for corruption.
There are LAWS regulating all USA corporations' foreign dealings -- US Laws may have been violated -- that is why.

Last I heard the Trump Organization is a US corporation subject to US laws.
Donald J Trump is an officer of the corporation, Chairman of the Board at the time this occurred most likely. Corporate Officers can be criminally liable as a corporation is a legal person -- the legal person (the corporation) cannot be sent to jail.
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sometimes it just comes down to this Paul

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As soon as the Russians don't get what they want out of Trump, they will start leaking shit. They wanted Trump in office over Clinton because they knew Clinton would give them shit. Now that Trump is in office they are enjoying the constant distractions of all the stupid shit he does. Eventually they will enjoy the distraction of releasing intel on him to get him impeached once they feel he's run his course for their needs. Right now he is a valuable asset, sooner or later he will be more valuable as a distraction.
You are full blown conspiracy theorist now.
Chill a bit...those hackers..were probably Americans not russians
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And you refuse to see the fuck ups others make. Ever since Nixon went to China your leaders have been sending US jobs to the Third World in ever increasing amounts. They're gutting America slowly but surely. To make a few very rich. Those few are paying politicians to do that.

Why are you just realising political systems are corruptible while people insist on voting the way they do??
I'm not just realizing anything Paul. About 20 years ago, right before I moved to Australia, I had a really long deep conversation with a very good, extremely successful, and very smart 65 year old friend of mine she told me the system is rigged, there are 2 Americas, and they've been switching power back and fourth like clockwork for generations, and I believed her. Current day, she told me Hillary couldn't win because it's the Republicans turn. She was right.

Hopefully you're aware the only way for our systems to change worldwide is a big war with a lot of destruction, which could be coming.

America has 3 branches of government that balance our power. No matter how shitty Trump is, and how much he wants to destroy the system, the other two branches will compensate. (i.e. If Trump wants to find something, he has to go through congress, they are the purse strings.) They will not find Trumps wall scam.

In America you can't break the system from within and any president (the executive branch) has no power to change or destroy the 535 members of congress (Legislative) or the supreme court (Judicial) and vice versa.

The GOP in congress is fighting Trump he is powerless but for creating executive orders & controlling the military.

If Hillary was POTUS the GOP would be fighting her as well because the are the majority in the House and Senate (Congress)
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As soon as the Russians don't get what they want out of Drumpf, they will start leaking shit. They wanted Trump in office over Clinton because they knew Clinton would give them shit. Now that Trump is in office they are enjoying the constant distractions of all the stupid shit he does. Eventually they will enjoy the distraction of releasing intel on him to get him impeached once they feel he's run his course for their needs. Right now he is a valuable asset, sooner or later he will be more valuable as a distraction.
No matter how they spin this... The truth will come out.

It might not be now, it might not be during his administration, but eventually we will have a democratic President again. And that President will expose everything. And everyone remotely involved in this will go to prison for the rest of their lives.

The reality of this is (in theory) is that the people who work for the American intelligence community "serve at the pleasure of the President". But let's be realistic here - these people have a much higher calling; They serve the American people. The NSA, CIA, etc, have tens of thousands of people working for them. Some of these people not only have access to these secrets, but also believe in our country, they know right from wrong, and they will be willing to potentially violate the law in order to expose a corrupt President. This has already happened before with Watergate with "Deep Throat" - the deputy director of the FBI leaked out just enough information to bring down President Nixon.

This is what's happening right now. Members of our intelligence community (CIA, NSA, NRO, acronyms we've never heard of) is slowly leaking out information... If that isn't enough, there are other players involved - the Russians, intelligence agencies of other countries, and yet other players such as that guy in the UK who created the dossier. If this information isn't leaked out by people in the US intelligence community, it will be leaked out by another country, Russia, England, Germany, France, or Wikileaks, or some other third party. This of course doesn't mention the press who is looking for excuse to bring him down.

Then there is this to think of... If this isn't exposed by our intelligence community, a foreign government, Wikileaks, or some other third party.... It will come out with the next Democratic administration. After what the Republicans did to Hillary with her emails, the Democrats will go for the jugular and will start hauling in Republicans in bulk and everyone in the Trump administration, put them under oath, and start asking all kinds of interesting questions (Do you have any business connections with Russia Mr. Trump? How many times have you cheated on your wife Mr. Trump? Have you ever pissed on hookers in a Russian hotel room Mr. Trump?). Imagine calling Ryan into to testify under oath and asking him about his involvement....

I knew this entire Administration was going to be fun to watch. It just gets better and better every day.
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They spied on Trump, illegally and found nothing

That's a worse case scenario for Obama and the shitlibs
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No they didn't.
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