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Paul Markham · 07-21-2016, 01:06 AM

There was an excellent post by Porn Nerd in another great thread.

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

The #1 problem with shooters and they way they shoot porn? Too much focus on cock in pussy (or asshole).

Guys do NOT want to look at a cock sliding into a pussy 50,000 times for eight minutes straight. In fact, to show how useless most shooters are:

Gorgeous girl, in the midst of pleasure, her face contorted with ecstasy...the shooter IMMEDIATELY pulls away and goes down to the pussy. Man is fondling her beautiful breasts - shooter IMMEDIATELY goes back to the pussy. It's almost as if the shooter is emotionally uncomfortable with anything 'real' or focusing on the beauty of the female form. Nope, gotta be a CLOSEUP of a cock drilling a pussy for eight minutes.

Get it? No, probably not. LOL Carry on.

This type of porn is shot by people who are starved of pussy, or ordered by them. Pornographers know there's more to porn than biology and gynocology. It's about fantasy and possibilities.

Not "Would some lonely webmaster fuck her?" Because judging on what GFY posters think as HOT, they need to get out more often and get laid. It's all about Will she Fuck me if I was there?

That can be filmed by Jay Allen on a $100,000 worth of kit or me on my smart phone. Odds on it can be shot by a lover on his Smart Phone which is why so many love Ameteur Porn. It can't be shot as easilly by a paid photographer using a paid model, unless they're going to be fucking after the work.

This goes for webcamming even more so. Girls have to reveal their personality, not their tits and ass. They have to engage with the viewers, more than the keyboard and screen, they have to sell themselves for a private show. Because personalirties are easier to sell than meat.

Whether you're spending $100,000 on kit or $2million on a webcam site with a new domain. Shooting SD, HD, 3D, VR. None of it will add sales if theirs just a body in front of the customer doing what all the other bodies do. recently someone said he was investing a lot in VR, they need to realise it won't sell any better unless they change the action.

Mainstream 3D movies changed enormously from 2D. VR is a whole new approach to content production in gaming and will be with mainstream movies. I'll bet with porn VR nothing much will change and will be the same as it was in SD. Just sharper.

Paul Markham · 07-21-2016, 01:19 AM

Back in the day when selling porn as an Independent pornographer was hard. We had to learn fast, what girls could do the job, sold, what they were suitable for, etc. We also had to learn how to shoot porn. Shooting a front cover for a magazine of DVD box cover is a demanding job.

Without those money shots, the video or set are worthless or worth less. The set or video had to include key elements. No matter how good looking the girl was, she had to invoke emotions in the viewer, other than the fact that she's just another naked body doing porn.

The traffic was there as it has always been. The key was conversion and retention. Would the cover shots convert the browser to buy? Would the content please him enough to keep him buying that brand? We know this worked in porn because some sites were streets ahead of the others. Maybe they didn't convert so well for the individual, they had to be making a lot of money to run such an organisation. Even so, some affiliates swore blind micro niche sites that were barely making a profit converted best.

The problem is webmasters took over and traffic became the #1 priority.

Manfap · 07-21-2016, 01:55 AM

Depends on the shooter.

Not a dig, but I always thought your content was shit. You could tell you started as a mag photographer, all the same fake poses repeated time and time again.

A few times when I've been brought in by companies to re arrange members areas, I moved your stuff to the 'bonus/extra' section.

Paul Markham · 07-21-2016, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Manfap

Depends on the shooter.

Not a dig, but I always thought your content was shit. You could tell you started as a mag photographer, all the same fake poses repeated time and time again.

A few times when I've been brought in by companies to re arrange members areas, I moved your stuff to the 'bonus/extra' section.

I started as a porn model. My main learning curve was in producing amateur videos. Which were driven by the girls individual personalities.

Yes I shot a lot of magazine sets to the way they demanded, pay me $3,000 a set with me retaining the right and I will shoot them the way you want.

And yes the stuff in the store was bonus/extra stuff. Again the store earned us more per set than shooting exclusive ever did. Gay Pornstars, Gay Videos, Gay Photos, Gay Galleries and Gay Bios I can see what you're talking about with these natural non posed non fake images you have.

I can even tell where the lights were placed for this magazine style shoot. I could shoot that all day long, with a girl instead of a guy.

Never open a door that might swing back and hit you in the face.

CaptainHowdy · 07-21-2016, 06:56 AM

I couldn't agree more ...

nikki99 · 07-21-2016, 06:58 AM

Paul to the Hall

Grapesoda · 07-21-2016, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

There was an excellent post by Porn Nerd in another great thread.

This type of porn is shot by people who are starved of pussy, or ordered by them. Pornographers know there's more to porn than biology and gynocology. It's about fantasy and possibilities.

Not "Would some lonely webmaster fuck her?" Because judging on what GFY posters think as HOT, they need to get out more often and get laid. It's all about Will she Fuck me if I was there?

That can be filmed by Jay Allen on a $100,000 worth of kit or me on my smart phone. Odds on it can be shot by a lover on his Smart Phone which is why so many love Ameteur Porn. It can't be shot as easilly by a paid photographer using a paid model, unless they're going to be fucking after the work.

This goes for webcamming even more so. Girls have to reveal their personality, not their tits and ass. They have to engage with the viewers, more than the keyboard and screen, they have to sell themselves for a private show. Because personalirties are easier to sell than meat.

Whether you're spending $100,000 on kit or $2million on a webcam site with a new domain. Shooting SD, HD, 3D, VR. None of it will add sales if theirs just a body in front of the customer doing what all the other bodies do. recently someone said he was investing a lot in VR, they need to realise it won't sell any better unless they change the action.

Mainstream 3D movies changed enormously from 2D. VR is a whole new approach to content production in gaming and will be with mainstream movies. I'll bet with porn VR nothing much will change and will be the same as it was in SD. Just sharper.

fact: the men in porn do NOT like women, the focus of the photography and videography is the COCK

fact: the customers are sick and tied of looking at cock photography, hence the market for real amateur girls and women... face it, Paul you guys fucked porn up with your creepy fantasy and creepy cock pics.

Adnium_Ivana · 07-21-2016, 07:14 AM

Thanks for your insight Paul. The adult industry is new and fascinating to me. As for traffic...if the webmasters concentrated on providing excellent content they wouldn't have to worry about getting decent traffic as much ;)

Paul Markham · 07-21-2016, 07:21 AM

The skill of producing porn comes from the cameraman's relationship with a model. He has that gift that put's models at ease and yet still leaves him in command. He knows his stuff, the model knows he knows his stuff. And he's the type of guy that allows her to do the most intimate things with emotions she keeps for very few people. Most good pornographers have or are able to seduce women with charm or cheek. They don't do the job to get laid, they do get laid though.

He knows the angles, poses, settings, etc. But that's easy it can be taught. What has to be learned is the different personalities people have and models are people. In my case is she a mouse or a tiger, a leader or a follower, shy or over confident, and more.

Will she be scared if I look remotley interested in sex, or will it flatter her that I think she's sexy. Will her mood change as she goes threw the scene. Who do I put her with, what will she do, will she flake out, and more.

Because the viewerdemands a believable performance and unless she's been to drama school for 5 years, there's only one way to get a performance that looks believable. She does it for real.

Unlesss for real is timid and surpressed because so far all te sex she's had, including masturbating, was in her bedroom with her parents in the room down the hall.

Porn has never been about film, tape, digital, SD, HD, 3d, VR, 4K, if one has the right lens, lighting, sound, the right colour sofa, etc. It's about raw emotions being shared with an audience of one. Sometimes two.

It's not about poses, it's about the look in the model's eyes that says "Yes I would."

Paul Markham · 07-21-2016, 07:26 AM

The pity is the online webmasters thought we could do all that in 5 sets and videos in a day for $1,500. Or whatever they were willing to pay for GG or BG.

Which is why most sites had shit content or a content producer in the ownership team.

Paul Markham · 07-21-2016, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

fact: the men in porn do NOT like women, the focus of the photography and videography is the COCK

fact: the customers are sick and tied of looking at cock photography, hence the market for real amateur girls and women... face it, Paul you guys fucked porn up with your creepy fantasy and creepy cock pics.

Bullsht

Pornographers love women, well most of them.

I was shooting amateur content in 1977 right through to 2008. And yes the consumers love it. Not as much as they loved the Fantasy End. The $$$ stats prove you wrong.

What consumers want is real fucking and with webmasters paying shit money, no content producer could give you real fucking. It had to be faked, so they could rush onto the next scene.

This is the problem when a webmaster talks porn, he's out of his comfort zone.

Paul Markham · 07-21-2016, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Adnium_Ivana

Thanks for your insight Paul. The adult industry is new and fascinating to me. As for traffic...if the webmasters concentrated on providing excellent content they wouldn't have to worry about getting decent traffic as much ;)

Webmasters can't produce great content. Their job is to drive traffic and build sites.

Great content can convert crap traffic into customers. The problem for most is being able to afford great content.

I've been in porn for 40 years. I've seen shoots, production sets, on a budget of a few hundred bucks, done a few myself

and I've been on shoots that were $20,000. The former were amateur, the latter the fantasy market.

Now retired on my ill-gotten gains from producing fantasy content. The mistake some make is in thinking there's a porn niche that isn't a fantasy. The fantasy is that the viewer could be in there doing that for real. Even amateur is a fantasy. The viewer wants to be in there and fantasising what he would do.

xXXtesy10 · 07-21-2016, 08:54 AM

arock10 · 07-21-2016, 08:58 AM

In b 4 10 pages

arock10 · 07-21-2016, 09:04 AM

Pornographers lost to marketers many years ago.... Pornographers are (sadly) just a small part of making money in adult now

The Porn Nerd · 07-21-2016, 09:14 AM

Glad I inspired you Paul. LOL The one area where you DO have experience and knowledge is in the area of shooting.

Most porn today is made by workingman shooters who are just trying to get the scene down, make a little scratch, then go and do whatever they do when not shooting. To do a DVD shoot, or a film project, like Jay Allen and others do, is a whole different strata of production. There is room for ALL kinds of porn tho (amateur, VR, HD, films, POV, gonzo, etc).

The problem happens when the content does not match the presentation. Trying to sell amateurs as pros, or pros as teens, or MILFs as babes etc. When you match up the content with the proper presentation (marketing) it all comes together. Sadly many do not realize this aspect of paysites.

Bladewire · 07-21-2016, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

I couldn't agree more ...

^^

Manfap · 07-21-2016, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I started as a porn model. My main learning curve was in producing amateur videos. Which were driven by the girls individual personalities.

Yes I shot a lot of magazine sets to the way they demanded, pay me $3,000 a set with me retaining the right and I will shoot them the way you want.

And yes the stuff in the store was bonus/extra stuff. Again the store earned us more per set than shooting exclusive ever did. Gay Pornstars, Gay Videos, Gay Photos, Gay Galleries and Gay Bios I can see what you're talking about with these natural non posed non fake images you have.

I can even tell where the lights were placed for this magazine style shoot. I could shoot that all day long, with a girl instead of a guy.

Never open a door that might swing back and hit you in the face.

Thats just pulling default content from an affiliate stream. I couldn't care what the content looks like. 5 minutes to set up 3 years ago, has earned $xxxx.

faxxaff · 07-21-2016, 11:19 AM

Generalizing won't help. Each niche and shoot has to be approached in a different way at different times. The industry needs fearless people who are able to learn and develop new projects in unchartered territory - not people who have "experience". Just my 2 GFY Cents for this week.

Jigster715 · 07-21-2016, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

fact: the men in porn do NOT like women, the focus of the photography and videography is the COCK

fact: the customers are sick and tied of looking at cock photography, hence the market for real amateur girls and women... face it, Paul you guys fucked porn up with your creepy fantasy and creepy cock pics.

True, most of the "straight bros" here crave cock. Its pathetic.

Paul Markham · 07-21-2016, 10:47 PM

Going back 18- years it was only webmasters building sites. They had no clue how to find content and were will to pay a lot of money for it. Not enough to support content producers who wanted to create good porn, but anything from $3 to $10 per image. The system was to put up content and throw traffic at it because people would buy whatever was offered.

The problem was the thinking of these early site owners. They knew anything would sell, few were making enough to fund decent production and many were stealing content because of their culture.

Fast forward a few years and good sites were emerging. The problem again was few were able to fund decent content production. Digital cameras were expensive, video cameras even more so. We were spending more for a lens than many of today's cameras cost. Most sites were making too little to attract good porn producers. So they bought in whatever they could afford.

And that was rarely enough.

Paul Markham · 07-21-2016, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by arock10

Pornographers lost to marketers many years ago.... Pornographers are (sadly) just a small part of making money in adult now

Content dominated the industry. The better in quality and the more in quantity ruled over sales and traffic. The problem was webmasters. They never got it. They thought, or tried to convince everyone, selling porn to men was a tough job.!!!!

They were overfed, pampered and cossetted. And like mice they multiplied to a point where most were scraping a living to doing OK. Cut all the support system and money, only the strong survive. The number of surfers remains constant. Sales for those left, skyrocket and at 25% rev share those left earn more. At 10% those left are earning a fortune.

Pay 50%, add all the support and marketing to affiliates. Add the other costs of running sites. Then what's left for profit and the product = a shit product.

Unless.

The content producer is a pornographer and part of the management/ownership team. Look at all the great sites and see how it worked.

That was the biggest mistake many made. When the going was easy.

Paul Markham · 07-22-2016, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Glad I inspired you Paul. LOL The one area where you DO have experience and knowledge is in the area of shooting.

My other skills are selling, marketing and running a business.

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Most porn today is made by workingman shooters who are just trying to get the scene down, make a little scratch, then go and do whatever they do when not shooting. To do a DVD shoot, or a film project, like Jay Allen and others do, is a whole different strata of production. There is room for ALL kinds of porn tho (amateur, VR, HD, films, POV, gonzo, etc).

Absolutely spot on.

The budgets for content production before online would have blown te mind of the online guys.

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The problem happens when the content does not match the presentation. Trying to sell amateurs as pros, or pros as teens, or MILFs as babes etc. When you match up the content with the proper presentation (marketing) it all comes together. Sadly many do not realize this aspect of paysites.

Absolutely spot on.

The content inside sites turned off more buyers than most imagine. It's impossible for a shooter to shoot 5 solo girl sets and videos in a day and make them average, let alone good. When top solo girl sites were paying $300 a scene and demanding 40 scenes of the same girl. That model of paysite had a very short lifespan. Same goes for all the other sites that paid minimum wage for the product.

Buyers soon learn that free porn was the best offer. The lie that buyers won't spend $30 to download 100 scenes in a month is BS. They didn't want 100 scenes that weren't that good. So only the top sites made real money.

Paul Markham · 07-22-2016, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Manfap

Thats just pulling default content from an affiliate stream. I couldn't care what the content looks like. 5 minutes to set up 3 years ago, has earned $xxxx.

Then show us the type of content you refer to on your site. You made accusations about my content being posed your site is full of posed content. Show us what you mean.

Paul Markham · 07-22-2016, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

fact: the customers are sick and tied of looking at cock photography, hence the market for real amateur girls and women... face it, Paul you guys fucked porn up with your creepy fantasy and creepy cock pics.

Bullshit.

Show us proof. Top converting sites, top videos on Tube sites, your top selling site that you own.

You're talking about what you personally can sell. Not what porn consumers want and buy. I can produce facts I'm right. We're waiting for you to show proof.

Manfap · 07-22-2016, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Then show us the type of content you refer to on your site. You made accusations about my content being posed your site is full of posed content. Show us what you mean.

It pulls content from 1 sponsor and every link on that site goes to that sponsor.
5 minutes work, content on blog matches sponsor... and repeat.

Dont get butthurt, you have a personal opinion on content. I have mine.
You spend time criticising companies that make millions, I'm just pointing out, that your content was too posed to be amateur, and too cheap looking to be pro.

SBJ · 07-22-2016, 01:29 AM

not taking sides in all this cause it's sorta pointless. Porn is evolving and you will see the future will be 100 times more webcam girls compared to pornstars.

But one thing I've always hated about porn is in the 80's they would always do a close up of the guys face just before he came and it was the biggest boner killer and I hate all the extreme close up of cock going in and out of the pussy for 60% of a scene. I want to see a girls tits bouncing, her ass shaking, and her face as she moans. Her whole body. I love all the dirty talk that is in today's porn and even like a little spitting.

In 2006 when I rented Rochard's house in AZ and let other porn guys shoot in my extra rooms for a small fee. One of the girls was flown in from LA and was a "nasty porn whore" that was always in the nasty stuff like Max Hardcore and stuff. I did a photo shoot with her while she was in town and showed my friend Cole the photos I shot of her. I've never claimed to be a great photographer (or even a good one), but he said he was hella jealous of those photos cause I turned a porn whore into a glamorous model. I told him I started off shooting Non Nude content. To make that look interesting you need to know every curve of your models body to get the best angles to make her look sexy. I told him I could never shoot hardcore porn like he does, but casually shooting a sexy girl to look more sexy rather than slutty was just my thing.

I like shooting more as a hobby not as a source of income.

Struggle4Bucks · 07-22-2016, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Manfap

Depends on the shooter.

Not a dig, but I always thought your content was shit. You could tell you started as a mag photographer, all the same fake poses repeated time and time again.

A few times when I've been brought in by companies to re arrange members areas, I moved your stuff to the 'bonus/extra' section.

Pauls problem was not "posing" models... There's nothing really wrong with the production value of his content. The only problem with his content is that he appeared in it...
So much porn knowledge... so less self-knowledge:

Serious... who can fap to that?????

Paul Markham · 07-22-2016, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by faxxaff

Generalizing won't help. Each niche and shoot has to be approached in a different way at different times. The industry needs fearless people who are able to learn and develop new projects in unchartered territory - not people who have "experience". Just my 2 GFY Cents for this week.

It's only those with experience who know how to shoot the right porn for the right niche. The problem is the webmaster side of the business paying enough to allow them to.

Paul Markham · 07-22-2016, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Manfap

It pulls content from 1 sponsor and every link on that site goes to that sponsor.
5 minutes work, content on blog matches sponsor... and repeat.

Dont get butthurt, you have a personal opinion on content. I have mine.
You spend time criticising companies that make millions, I'm just pointing out, that your content was too posed to be amateur, and too cheap looking to be pro.

I asked you to show me the kind of content you were referring to as non-posed. That was on a site you owned. So far all I found was manfap.com which is full of posed content. Which you claim is wrong. Show us the non-posed stuff that's so good.

Bladewire · 07-22-2016, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I asked you to show me the kind of content you were referring to as non-posed. That was on a site you owned. So far all I found was manfap.com which is full of posed content. Which you claim is wrong. Show us the non-posed stuff that's so good.

He's an affiliate with a cookie cutter promo site fucking with you Paul.

If he wanted an actual conversation and had something intelligent to offer he would. He just wanted to swoop in, put you down, then mock your reaction.

The Porn Nerd · 07-22-2016, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

My other skills are selling, marketing and running a business.

OK that's where you lost me.

Paul Markham · 07-22-2016, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Pauls problem was not "posing" models... There's nothing really wrong with the production value of his content. The only problem with his content is that he appeared in it...
So much porn knowledge... so less self-knowledge:

Serious... who can fap to that?????

So if I appeared in so much of my porn, it should be easy to find more pictures of me.

Or you're full of BS and trolling.

Paul Markham · 07-22-2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

He's an affiliate with a cookie cutter promo site fucking with you Paul.

If he wanted an actual conversation and had something intelligent to offer he would. He just wanted to swoop in, put you down, then mock your reaction.

He's not the only one.

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On the other hand www.paulmarkham.com 6 years retired and still have a tiny toe in the pool.

Struggle4Bucks · 07-22-2016, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

He's not the only one.

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https://www.epochstats.com/wmreg/add...program=629929 What are they signing up to?

On the other hand www.paulmarkham.com 6 years retired and still have a tiny toe in the pool.

Try a free proxy server to check my sites from a different location... it appears that you are blocked

Interesting... not that i'm interested in your whereabouts... but interesting anyway...

Struggle4Bucks · 07-22-2016, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So if I appeared in so much of my porn, it should be easy to find more pictures of me.

Or you're full of BS and trolling.

Of course i'm trolling... there is no other way then trolling confronted with your utter bullshit... That's why I asked the mods here to introduce the Biggest Idiot On Multiple Topics Awards

dig420 · 07-22-2016, 06:26 PM

Paul, you have precious few years left and you spend ALL your time on this board. You've never had any real success, yet you spend ALL your time trying to tell people how to be successful. I don't think you're a bad guy, you're just not that fucking bright.

Get off the board. Go to the park. Go on vacation with the grandkids. For anyone who's been around this business for any length of time and had any success, you're worse than a joke, you're a non-entity who never - NEVER - stops talking.

Tough love bro.

Bladewire · 07-22-2016, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Try a free proxy server to check my sites from a different location... it appears that you are blocked

Interesting... not that i'm interested in your whereabouts... but interesting anyway...

The security cert expired in Ocotber 2016 and is throwing out the Google warning page before going forward

NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID

dig420 · 07-22-2016, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420

Paul, you have precious few years left and you spend ALL your time on this board. You've never had any real success, yet you spend ALL your time trying to tell people how to be successful. I don't think you're a bad guy, you're just not that fucking bright.

Get off the board. Go to the park. Go on vacation with the grandkids. For anyone who's been around this business for any length of time and had any success, you're worse than a joke, you're a non-entity who never - NEVER - stops talking.

Tough love bro.

You know, if I could delete my post I would. Fuck it. If preaching on a porn board all day and night makes you happy, go for it.

I'm getting soft in my old age.

Paul Markham · 07-22-2016, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

OK that's where you lost me.

Just being able to produce a product isn't enough. One has to be able to market and sell it to earn a living. And you know how hard it is to sell porn.

The problem on a board dominated by webmasters and suggesting they should step aside is the knee jerk reaction from webmasters. The recorded porn industry is shrinking, the big companies are the only ones maintaining revenue. Tubes are are getting more people off in a day than a lot of sites manage in a year.

Change has to come, should VR have the same impact as HD and 3D, many are fucked. Because filming yesterday's porn scene in tomorrow's technology has little impact on someone who only wants a 20-minute wank. They used to have to buy porn. Now the webmasters deliver more free wanks than have ever been sold online.

Paysites have to change, webmasters are more interested in an automated system to give away free porn than changing the industry. How is the problem?

Marketing involves looking at the consumers needs, market's situation and the producers/products ability.

Consumers needs. He doesn't need to pay for a 20-minute wank.
Market's situation. Too much porn, free or paid for, only delivers a 20-minute wank.
Producers/products ability. Too many people shoot girls who can't communicate with the viewer and deliver more than a 20-minute wank.

In effect, we're still shooting the same porn that was shot in 1990. Just sharper. Most of it is so "Tube Ready" it's a wonder who buys. About 1-10,000 that can't continue.

The only part of the industry that's making money at the same level or higher is Webcams. Dating isn't really porn, it's relationships and that's soaring. People still buy people, in fact buying more than ever before. Certainly more than people who buy porn.

The conclusion is obvious, shoot the person not the act. Let customers become part of her life rather than wank over the biological act of sex. If you don't know what that means, you're a webmaster. Pornographers know models are people they come in all shapes, sizes and personalities. That with a little marketing knowledge can be made into a product.

How the individual company does that is the hard part. Those shooting cheap content in Russia of teens doing the same thing then packaging them on different sites every few months are stuck. Jay Allen and people of his level are more than capable, he only needs the time.

Then webmasters are given the tools to sell the person not the site. Tubes are only interested in traffic to sell ad space they don't want anything but content to get visitors to wank to. So won't be interested n this content. What the sites have to do is not give away the money shot when that's the reason many will pay for.

By no means 100% solution. That will only come when free porn is 99% eliminated. Like it was before webmaster took over.

S4B how does the Epoch affiliate program work for your sites?

AdultKing · 07-22-2016, 11:15 PM

Paul, serious question.

With all this knowledge, experience and insight why aren't you a millionaire living in Mansion or on a tropical paradise ? Why don't you have a car collection ?

Why aren't you a high flyer ?

Surely with all the answers and insight you have you should be living it up in the lap of luxury ?

Struggle4Bucks · 07-23-2016, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

The security cert expired in Ocotber 2016 and is throwing out the Google warning page before going forward

NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID

mmmmkay Marty McFly.... it EXPIRED in oct 2016?

Are you going to write a blog about this issue too... Squirtit?

Maybe you should check your own computer for maleware...

Struggle4Bucks · 07-23-2016, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

S4B how does the Epoch affiliate program work for your sites?

Are you too old to understand what I wrote here?
Or did you just overlooked it?
Could be that your eyes also starting to become incontinent?:

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Try a free proxy server to check my sites from a different location... it appears that you are blocked

Interesting... not that i'm interested in your whereabouts... but interesting anyway...

My affiliate program works perfectly fine idiot! My sites are up and running. The fact that you see what you see means you are in a location that is blocked for accessing my sites.... So... bassicaly... what a rapefugee would say in broken english: "I know where your house lives"...

AdultKing · 07-23-2016, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

My affiliate program works perfectly fine idiot! My sites are up and running. The fact that you see what you see means you are in a location that is blocked for accessing my sites.... So... bassicaly... what a rapefugee would say in broken english: "I know where your house lives"...

I don't want to be a pain, but it appears that at least Struggling Babes is misconfigured, I can't load it - errors out after loading the html. Boundmenwanked worked.

I did a scan on both sites, there are issues on both, if you want me to paste you the results come in to Adult Industry Chat and I'll private message you the output.

Struggle4Bucks · 07-23-2016, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I don't want to be a pain, but it appears that at least Struggling Babes is misconfigured, I can't load it - errors out after loading the html. Boundmenwanked worked.

I did a scan on both sites, there are issues on both, if you want me to paste you the results come in to Adult Industry Chat and I'll private message you the output.

The sites load perfectly fine for me... That said... the whole thing will be updated to 2016 very soon...

Struggle4Bucks · 07-23-2016, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I don't want to be a pain, but it appears that at least Struggling Babes is misconfigured, I can't load it - errors out after loading the html. Boundmenwanked worked.

I did a scan on both sites, there are issues on both, if you want me to paste you the results come in to Adult Industry Chat and I'll private message you the output.

I'm trying to contact you at that chat... Would like to hear what you have to say

Paul Markham · 07-23-2016, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Paul, serious question.

With all this knowledge, experience and insight why aren't you a millionaire living in Mansion or on a tropical paradise ? Why don't you have a car collection ?

Why aren't you a high flyer ?

Surely with all the answers and insight you have you should be living it up in the lap of luxury ?

Valid question.

Lack of drive.

I own our home, have enough money in the bank and investments to see my life out and keep Eva n comfort when I go.

What else do I need?

I haven't worked a 40 hour week for as long as I can remember, probably when I had a clothing factory in the early 80s. In porn, 30 hours a week was a tough gig. in the UK I worked 1-3 days a week. Here n Czech with a studio and office of programmers it was 40 tops

Easy come, easy life if you don't buy a mansion or live on a tropical paradise or have a car collection.

The best thing is I never wanted all that, so never was disappointed or frustrated about not getting it. I feel the disappointment in many people's posts here. They do yearn for those things.

Nice to see you acknowledge my knowledge and insight. Thanks.

Paul Markham · 07-23-2016, 02:44 AM

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My affiliate program works perfectly fine idiot! My sites are up and running. The fact that you see what you see means you are in a location that is blocked for accessing my sites.... So... bassicaly... what a rapefugee would say in broken english: "I know where your house lives"...

Tell us which countries you block and I will use a free VPN from an unblocked country to see what great porn you have..

dig420 · 07-23-2016, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Valid question.

Lack of drive.

I own our home, have enough money in the bank and investments to see my life out and keep Eva n comfort when I go.

What else do I need?

I haven't worked a 40 hour week for as long as I can remember, probably when I had a clothing factory in the early 80s. In porn, 30 hours a week was a tough gig. in the UK I worked 1-3 days a week. Here n Czech with a studio and office of programmers it was 40 tops

Easy come, easy life if you don't buy a mansion or live on a tropical paradise or have a car collection.

The best thing is I never wanted all that, so never was disappointed or frustrated about not getting it. I feel the disappointment in many people's posts here. They do yearn for those things.

Nice to see you acknowledge my knowledge and insight. Thanks.

You have the drive to post advice obsessively (I mean, OCD obsessive) 24/7 but not the drive to try anything you talk about? If you've never done anything, then what exactly makes you think anything you say is going to work?

AdultKing · 07-23-2016, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dig420

You have the drive to post advice obsessively (I mean, OCD obsessive) 24/7 but not the drive to try anything you talk about? If you've never done anything, then what exactly makes you think anything you say is going to work?

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07-21-2016, 01:19 AM	#2
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Back in the day when selling porn as an Independent pornographer was hard. We had to learn fast, what girls could do the job, sold, what they were suitable for, etc. We also had to learn how to shoot porn. Shooting a front cover for a magazine of DVD box cover is a demanding job. Without those money shots, the video or set are worthless or worth less. The set or video had to include key elements. No matter how good looking the girl was, she had to invoke emotions in the viewer, other than the fact that she's just another naked body doing porn. The traffic was there as it has always been. The key was conversion and retention. Would the cover shots convert the browser to buy? Would the content please him enough to keep him buying that brand? We know this worked in porn because some sites were streets ahead of the others. Maybe they didn't convert so well for the individual, they had to be making a lot of money to run such an organisation. Even so, some affiliates swore blind micro niche sites that were barely making a profit converted best. The problem is webmasters took over and traffic became the #1 priority. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-21-2016, 06:56 AM	#5
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07-21-2016, 06:58 AM	#6
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07-21-2016, 07:14 AM	#8
Adnium_Ivana Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,094	Thanks for your insight Paul. The adult industry is new and fascinating to me. As for traffic...if the webmasters concentrated on providing excellent content they wouldn't have to worry about getting decent traffic as much ;) __________________ Skype - ivana.gsmi Email - [email protected] [URL="https://adnium.com/ref/3168"]

07-21-2016, 07:21 AM	#9
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	The skill of producing porn comes from the cameraman's relationship with a model. He has that gift that put's models at ease and yet still leaves him in command. He knows his stuff, the model knows he knows his stuff. And he's the type of guy that allows her to do the most intimate things with emotions she keeps for very few people. Most good pornographers have or are able to seduce women with charm or cheek. They don't do the job to get laid, they do get laid though. He knows the angles, poses, settings, etc. But that's easy it can be taught. What has to be learned is the different personalities people have and models are people. In my case is she a mouse or a tiger, a leader or a follower, shy or over confident, and more. Will she be scared if I look remotley interested in sex, or will it flatter her that I think she's sexy. Will her mood change as she goes threw the scene. Who do I put her with, what will she do, will she flake out, and more. Because the viewerdemands a believable performance and unless she's been to drama school for 5 years, there's only one way to get a performance that looks believable. She does it for real. Unlesss for real is timid and surpressed because so far all te sex she's had, including masturbating, was in her bedroom with her parents in the room down the hall. Porn has never been about film, tape, digital, SD, HD, 3d, VR, 4K, if one has the right lens, lighting, sound, the right colour sofa, etc. It's about raw emotions being shared with an audience of one. Sometimes two. It's not about poses, it's about the look in the model's eyes that says "Yes I would." __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-21-2016, 01:55 AM	#3
Manfap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 2,606	Depends on the shooter. Not a dig, but I always thought your content was shit. You could tell you started as a mag photographer, all the same fake poses repeated time and time again. A few times when I've been brought in by companies to re arrange members areas, I moved your stuff to the 'bonus/extra' section.

07-21-2016, 07:26 AM	#10
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	The pity is the online webmasters thought we could do all that in 5 sets and videos in a day for $1,500. Or whatever they were willing to pay for GG or BG. Which is why most sites had shit content or a content producer in the ownership team. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-21-2016, 08:54 AM	#13
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07-21-2016, 08:58 AM	#14
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07-21-2016, 09:04 AM	#15
arock10 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,218	Pornographers lost to marketers many years ago.... Pornographers are (sadly) just a small part of making money in adult now __________________ Sup

07-21-2016, 09:14 AM	#16
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,173	Glad I inspired you Paul. LOL The one area where you DO have experience and knowledge is in the area of shooting. Most porn today is made by workingman shooters who are just trying to get the scene down, make a little scratch, then go and do whatever they do when not shooting. To do a DVD shoot, or a film project, like Jay Allen and others do, is a whole different strata of production. There is room for ALL kinds of porn tho (amateur, VR, HD, films, POV, gonzo, etc). The problem happens when the content does not match the presentation. Trying to sell amateurs as pros, or pros as teens, or MILFs as babes etc. When you match up the content with the proper presentation (marketing) it all comes together. Sadly many do not realize this aspect of paysites. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold (Coming Soon) Over 90 paysites to promote! ICQ: 579915163 Skype: peabodymedia

07-21-2016, 11:19 AM	#19
faxxaff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Marina Hemingway Posts: 2,130	Generalizing won't help. Each niche and shoot has to be approached in a different way at different times. The industry needs fearless people who are able to learn and develop new projects in unchartered territory - not people who have "experience". Just my 2 GFY Cents for this week. __________________ Asian Babes

07-21-2016, 10:47 PM	#21
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Going back 18- years it was only webmasters building sites. They had no clue how to find content and were will to pay a lot of money for it. Not enough to support content producers who wanted to create good porn, but anything from $3 to $10 per image. The system was to put up content and throw traffic at it because people would buy whatever was offered. The problem was the thinking of these early site owners. They knew anything would sell, few were making enough to fund decent production and many were stealing content because of their culture. Fast forward a few years and good sites were emerging. The problem again was few were able to fund decent content production. Digital cameras were expensive, video cameras even more so. We were spending more for a lens than many of today's cameras cost. Most sites were making too little to attract good porn producers. So they bought in whatever they could afford. And that was rarely enough. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-22-2016, 01:29 AM	#27
SBJ So Fucking Fabulous Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 11,354	not taking sides in all this cause it's sorta pointless. Porn is evolving and you will see the future will be 100 times more webcam girls compared to pornstars. But one thing I've always hated about porn is in the 80's they would always do a close up of the guys face just before he came and it was the biggest boner killer and I hate all the extreme close up of cock going in and out of the pussy for 60% of a scene. I want to see a girls tits bouncing, her ass shaking, and her face as she moans. Her whole body. I love all the dirty talk that is in today's porn and even like a little spitting. In 2006 when I rented Rochard's house in AZ and let other porn guys shoot in my extra rooms for a small fee. One of the girls was flown in from LA and was a "nasty porn whore" that was always in the nasty stuff like Max Hardcore and stuff. I did a photo shoot with her while she was in town and showed my friend Cole the photos I shot of her. I've never claimed to be a great photographer (or even a good one), but he said he was hella jealous of those photos cause I turned a porn whore into a glamorous model. I told him I started off shooting Non Nude content. To make that look interesting you need to know every curve of your models body to get the best angles to make her look sexy. I told him I could never shoot hardcore porn like he does, but casually shooting a sexy girl to look more sexy rather than slutty was just my thing. I like shooting more as a hobby not as a source of income. __________________ Chaturbate - Make tons of money from Cams! *Name Silo - Domains under $9 and free ID protect*

07-22-2016, 06:26 PM	#37
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	Paul, you have precious few years left and you spend ALL your time on this board. You've never had any real success, yet you spend ALL your time trying to tell people how to be successful. I don't think you're a bad guy, you're just not that fucking bright. Get off the board. Go to the park. Go on vacation with the grandkids. For anyone who's been around this business for any length of time and had any success, you're worse than a joke, you're a non-entity who never - NEVER - stops talking. Tough love bro.

07-22-2016, 11:15 PM	#41
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,602	Paul, serious question. With all this knowledge, experience and insight why aren't you a millionaire living in Mansion or on a tropical paradise ? Why don't you have a car collection ? Why aren't you a high flyer ? Surely with all the answers and insight you have you should be living it up in the lap of luxury ?