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Paul Markham · 03-17-2016, 10:14 AM

Trump can't be described as a typical GOP candidate. They have to back him if he wins the Nominee race. All this talk about nominating someone else is hot air.

Can he win, will the two houses back or block him and what happens in the next round of elections?

Clearly people are pissed off with the old style candidates. Do they have the will to vote for candidates who don't have huge war chests of money to spend?

L-Pink · 03-17-2016, 10:22 AM

why do you care?

Joshua G · 03-17-2016, 11:03 AM

He will win. voters are sexist.

plaster · 03-17-2016, 11:34 AM

Who is the gop?

Penny24Seven · 03-17-2016, 12:32 PM

Paul knows more about America than anyone who lives here.
He thinks we live in fear of getting shot and ISIS, another I can't remember.
Fact is and i'm around 1000 people a week and not once has anyone ever said i'm afraid of anything but sitting in traffic LOL.
We enjoy the weather and do whatever we want. I don't carry a gun and do not care if people do. I live in a town of 50K and it averages one murder a year.
I will take those odds.

hottoddy · 03-17-2016, 12:45 PM

The GOP only has a chance if they borrow a page or two from the liberal strategy guide. Something must be promised to the have-nots (47%+) and taken from the haves (eg, $, immigration amnesty, etc).

Google Expert · 03-17-2016, 01:03 PM

President Donald Trump.

Suck on it crybabies.

Paul Markham · 03-17-2016, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

why do you care?

I know you don't notice. The rest know that what happens in the US affects Europe. Did you miss the recent wars?

dyna mo · 03-17-2016, 01:37 PM

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I know you don't notice. The rest know that what happens in the US affects Europe. Did you miss the recent wars?

Y'all had your shot at leading Western civilization. You blew it.

Rochard · 03-17-2016, 01:40 PM

If you look at the polls.... No, he will not win.

If he looses the nomination (which is possible), he will run his own which pretty much ensures he will not win and the Republican party will not win - Trump would most likely take a large portion of his Republican voters with him.

If Trump wins the nomination he will go against Clinton or Sanders. According to polls, he would loose to either of them.

Of course a lot could change from now until then.

Paul Markham · 03-17-2016, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian837

Paul knows more about America than anyone who lives here.
He thinks we live in fear of getting shot and ISIS, another I can't remember.
Fact is and i'm around 1000 people a week and not once has anyone ever said i'm afraid of anything but sitting in traffic LOL.
We enjoy the weather and do whatever we want. I don't carry a gun and do not care if people do. I live in a town of 50K and it averages one murder a year.
I will take those odds.

This is about one of the two Americans Political Parties going into meltdown.

Donald Trump 673 Delegates
Ted Cruz 410 Delegates
John Kasich 143 Delegates
Marco Rubio 169 Delegates

Trump has nearly more than the rest put together. He'as appealing to voters more than the GOP want.

Paul Markham · 03-17-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hottoddy

The GOP only has a chance if they borrow a page or two from the liberal strategy guide. Something must be promised to the have-nots (47%+) and taken from the haves (eg, $, immigration amnesty, etc).

Agreed. Unless the Republicans change their ideals, they're done for. Trump is proving that. his message isn't "Republican". Big business needs migrants, doesn't want trade barriers and absolutely doesn't want any of the money that flows through government into businesses to stop flowing.

Paul Markham · 03-17-2016, 01:52 PM

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Y'all had your shot at leading Western civilization. You blew it.

You are a clown of the top order.

dyna mo · 03-17-2016, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You are a clown of the top order.

I may or may not be a clown but your chart just proved my point. You lost your shot at leading the world, now all you can do is bitch about America while you allow Sharia law to take over your entire geography.

Paul Markham · 03-17-2016, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

If you look at the polls.... No, he will not win.

If he looses the nomination (which is possible), he will run his own which pretty much ensures he will not win and the Republican party will not win - Trump would most likely take a large portion of his Republican voters with him.

If Trump wins the nomination he will go against Clinton or Sanders. According to polls, he would loose to either of them.

Of course a lot could change from now until then.

Elections are won and lost by influencing the middle ground. Is Trump appealing to enough of the middle to make up for those he's pissing off, would he get the backing from Cruz and Rubio supporters if he's nominated, can he get across the finish line with enough delegates.

And can that guy beat Clinton? I don't see Sanders getting it, could be surprised, though.

Trying to find actual voters numbers per candidate is tough.

Obviously, it needs breaking down by State and Electoral College.

Paul Markham · 03-17-2016, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

I may or may not be a clown but your chart just proved my point. You lost your shot at leading the world, now all you can do is bitch about America while you allow Sharia law to take over your entire geography.

All Empires come to an end, the US never really had one. But as leader of the World, it's term will be shorter the Great Britains.

We lost after 300 years, the US was losing after 60.

dyna mo · 03-17-2016, 02:20 PM

Heads up markahm USA is #1.

Joshua G · 03-17-2016, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

If you look at the polls.... No, he will not win.

If he looses the nomination (which is possible), he will run his own which pretty much ensures he will not win and the Republican party will not win - Trump would most likely take a large portion of his Republican voters with him.

If Trump wins the nomination he will go against Clinton or Sanders. According to polls, he would loose to either of them.

Of course a lot could change from now until then.

once again, you cite polls that are 6 months out from the election, & tell us he will not win. are you in like first grade, & dont know polls dont mean jackshit? how about hilarys lead all last fall, where did it go?

i know you cant digest anything not tilted to the left. so i found this piece for you from a comfortable place, huffpost. Even the liberals see the writing on the wall.

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Trump is likely to decisively beat Clinton in virtually all of the states that she has performed strongly in so far, and seems poised to win many of the states she lost as well. This leaves her relying heavily on the solidly blue states, which overwhelmingly voted against her in the primaries, suggesting that enthusiasm will not be high with her base. Forget national polling. When one takes a sober look at the electoral map ? at who can turn out their base in solidly partisan states and appeal in swing states, based on how the primaries have turned out thus far, the edge is cleanly with Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton.

enjoy. & stop making posts sounding like the media is leading you hook-in-mouth.

Paul Markham · 03-18-2016, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Heads up markahm USA is #1.

And dropping fast.

Paul Markham · 03-18-2016, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

once again, you cite polls that are 6 months out from the election, & tell us he will not win. are you in like first grade, & dont know polls dont mean jackshit? how about hilarys lead all last fall, where did it go?

i know you cant digest anything not tilted to the left. so i found this piece for you from a comfortable place, huffpost. Even the liberals see the writing on the wall.

enjoy. & stop making posts sounding like the media is leading you hook-in-mouth.

Can he appeal to enough Democrat voters to reduce Clinton's vote and boost his?

Plus enough to replace the GOP voters he will lose. Which is the point of this thread. Even though he stands as a Republican, is he backed by the Party?

ruff · 03-18-2016, 04:46 AM

You cannot possibly underestimate the stupidity of the average American citizen (just check this board). Yes, the GOP could win. Then you would see real catastrophe, but of course it would be Obama's fault.

slapass · 03-18-2016, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Agreed. Unless the Republicans change their ideals, they're done for. Trump is proving that. his message isn't "Republican". Big business needs migrants, doesn't want trade barriers and absolutely doesn't want any of the money that flows through government into businesses to stop flowing.

I think you are missing that the GOP has gone super conservative. They tried to ban gay marriage. They are trying to ban abortion. These are more minority interest things then main stream. By controlling the first part of the election process, they took over the party. Trump is a snap back. Rubio and Cruz are guys from the extreme edge. No one realized that the moderate GOP supporter was going to vote in the caucus level stuff.

The party is in flux. I do not think it is about migrants so much as he is not preaching about guns and abortion.

MiamiBoyz · 03-18-2016, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ruff

You cannot possibly underestimate the stupidity of the average American citizen (just check this board). Yes, the GOP could win. Then you would see real catastrophe, but of course it would be Obama's fault.

Penny24Seven · 03-18-2016, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

If you look at the polls.... No, he will not win.

If he looses the nomination (which is possible), he will run his own which pretty much ensures he will not win and the Republican party will not win - Trump would most likely take a large portion of his Republican voters with him.

If Trump wins the nomination he will go against Clinton or Sanders. According to polls, he would loose to either of them.

Of course a lot could change from now until then.

what would a thread be without your post

Polls don't mean shit. People still vote for Cruz so until there are two left Hillary and Trump you will not get good results and even after that you don't know.

VRPdommy · 03-18-2016, 06:55 AM

It remains to be seen in a brokered convention who gets the delegates of those who dropped out.

I think there will be enough fan fare about that to piss-off both edges of the party to ensure a low turn out in the general election.
Cruz (that nobody in the establishment likes) will want those delegates and the party will want to support a 3rd person that may not have even been in the race up to this point. The optics are going to be terrible.

Trump will most likely prevail but not without some blood being shed.

The republicans are dammed no matter what they do at this point.

One third of the voters in both parties are dead set against trump in the general. Those third on the right may not turn-out and those third on the left surely will.

I have already moved past this and now looking at what's going to happen in the house and the senate.

It's going to be interesting when those running are asked questions on supporting Trumps platform. Plenty more news headlines coming.

Paul Markham · 03-18-2016, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ruff

You cannot possibly underestimate the stupidity of the average American citizen (just check this board). Yes, the GOP could win. Then you would see real catastrophe, but of course it would be Obama's fault.

Of course it will be Obama's fault. He's a Democrat and black.

Paul Markham · 03-18-2016, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

I think you are missing that the GOP has gone super conservative. They tried to ban gay marriage. They are trying to ban abortion. These are more minority interest things then main stream. By controlling the first part of the election process, they took over the party. Trump is a snap back. Rubio and Cruz are guys from the extreme edge. No one realized that the moderate GOP supporter was going to vote in the caucus level stuff.

The party is in flux. I do not think it is about migrants so much as he is not preaching about guns and abortion.

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The republicans are dammed no matter what they do at this point.

That's my point.

Paul Markham · 03-18-2016, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

I have already moved past this and now looking at what's going to happen in the house and the senate.

It's going to be interesting when those running are asked questions on supporting Trumps platform. Plenty more news headlines coming.

The Democrats and Republicans are owned by their backers in order to get the needed campaign money. They can't back Trump, so won't.

Will more Independents have the funds to stand and win? If not Trump can't do as promised, he has to bend over.

baddog · 03-18-2016, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Y'all had your shot at leading Western civilization. You blew it.

Haha haha haha

baddog · 03-18-2016, 09:08 AM

And Rochard, will you please learn the difference between lose, loose, loses and looses.

Rochard · 03-18-2016, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Elections are won and lost by influencing the middle ground.

I guess the planets are all aligned just right because I have never agreed with you more.

Elections in the United States are won and lost by the people on the fence. Republicans will vote Republican and Democrats will vote Democratic; It's the people on the fence that will decide this.

Right now the candidates are trying to get members of their own party to come over to their side. Once the nominee is selected, they will try to win over the people on the fence and the people from the other side. This is a an odd thing because - for example - the Republican nominee will have to cater his message to Democrats without upsetting the core Republican base (and Democratic nominee will do the same).

The reason why the Republicans lost in 2008 and 2012 was because the people on the fence "wanted change" because the last Republican administration screwed us with the economy.

Likewise, I think the Republicans will loose again this year. A large percentage of Republicans might (eventually) be behind Trump, but I also believe that a unusually large percentage of Republicans will be dead set against Trump. This might not be a huge number, but if 10% of Republicans do not vote Republican it will mean Trump will loose. Combined with the people on the fence being against him, I see this as being a loss for the Republicans.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-18-2016, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I guess the planets are all aligned just right because I have never agreed with you more.

Elections in the United States are won and lost by the people on the fence. Republicans will vote Republican and Democrats will vote Democratic; It's the people on the fence that will decide this.

Right now the candidates are trying to get members of their own party to come over to their side. Once the nominee is selected, they will try to win over the people on the fence and the people from the other side. This is a an odd thing because - for example - the Republican nominee will have to cater his message to Democrats without upsetting the core Republican base (and Democratic nominee will do the same).

The reason why the Republicans lost in 2008 and 2012 was because the people on the fence "wanted change" because the last Republican administration screwed us with the economy.

Likewise, I think the Republicans will loose again this year. A large percentage of Republicans might (eventually) be behind Trump, but I also believe that a unusually large percentage of Republicans will be dead set against Trump. This might not be a huge number, but if 10% of Republicans do not vote Republican it will mean Trump will loose. Combined with the people on the fence being against him, I see this as being a loss for the Republicans.

The reason the Republicans lost the last two election is purely based on immigration. Millions upon millions of people from 3rd world countries with low IQs coming to this country and vote Democrat. They're on the dole.

Again, you keep singling Trump out like he is the only person without talking about HILLARY. Why are you so biased and not realize that someone will become President? Do you not think democrats will vote for Trump over her? I see Trump easily taking New York and Michigan. Trump has huge support from many different factions of society and once he sets his sights on Hillary, it'll be over

plaster · 03-18-2016, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by plaster

Who is the gop?

Still waiting for my answer. Would like to know one human name associated with GOP and the source. Like who are the members and what are their titles?

VRPdommy · 03-18-2016, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The Democrats and Republicans are owned by their backers in order to get the needed campaign money. They can't back Trump, so won't.

Will more Independents have the funds to stand and win? If not Trump can't do as promised, he has to bend over.

While I agree, I cant see where I said anything to the contrary.

I was hoping the race would be Sanders and Trump (big money looses) but I am very happy for folks to just see the true colors of many a politician. Perhaps give everyone's lie detector a bit of a workout.

A learning lesson long overdue. Future change should be a bit easier because of it.
For now, I shall laugh and cry with the rest (mostly laugh).

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-18-2016, 03:07 PM

All Trump has to do is threaten an Independent run and they'll give him the nomination

Robbie · 03-18-2016, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by plaster

Still waiting for my answer. Would like to know one human name associated with GOP and the source. Like who are the members and what are their titles?

Every Republican politician and most importantly every Republican voter.

Are you confused that the Republican Party is also known as the "GOP" (grand old party)?

baddog · 03-18-2016, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I guess the planets are all aligned just right because I have never agreed with you more.

Elections in the United States are won and lost by the people on the fence. Republicans will vote Republican and Democrats will vote Democratic; It's the people on the fence that will decide this.

Right now the candidates are trying to get members of their own party to come over to their side. Once the nominee is selected, they will try to win over the people on the fence and the people from the other side. This is a an odd thing because - for example - the Republican nominee will have to cater his message to Democrats without upsetting the core Republican base (and Democratic nominee will do the same).

The reason why the Republicans lost in 2008 and 2012 was because the people on the fence "wanted change" because the last Republican administration screwed us with the economy.

Likewise, I think the Republicans will loose again this year. A large percentage of Republicans might (eventually) be behind Trump, but I also believe that a unusually large percentage of Republicans will be dead set against Trump. This might not be a huge number, but if 10% of Republicans do not vote Republican it will mean Trump will loose. Combined with the people on the fence being against him, I see this as being a loss for the Republicans.

Fucking A dude, they aren't going to loose anything

imabro · 03-18-2016, 07:41 PM

Cannot wait to observe all the crying come November.

TCLGirls · 03-18-2016, 07:57 PM

The GOP are in a loose-loose situation. They played too fast and lose with their own party rules.

Rochard · 03-18-2016, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

once again, you cite polls that are 6 months out from the election, & tell us he will not win. are you in like first grade, & dont know polls dont mean jackshit? how about hilarys lead all last fall, where did it go?
from a comfortable place, huffpost. Even the liberals see the writing on the wall.

I understand we have six months of this, and I understand a lot can change between now and then. But I am not basing my opinion on polls alone. I've never seen such a backlash of hate from a candidates own party. Fifty percent of Republicans are voting for him, but I also feel like a fair percentage will refuse to back Trump and will either vote against him or will sit this election out. Even if this is only two percent, that would be enough for Trump to loose the election.

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

i know you cant digest anything not tilted to the left. so i found this piece for you from a comfortable place, huffpost. Even the liberals see the writing on the wall.

At some point in time the Republican party will have to stand behind Trump. If Trump does not run as a Republican, the Republican party will loose the race - Trump would take a large percent of Republican voters with him ensuring that both Trump and the Republican nominee will loose.

NKYKev · 03-19-2016, 01:09 AM

I find it amusing that people are always wanting to cite national polls when, in reality, they mean almost nothing in an American election. I remember watching TV the night of the last election when one of the commentators showed an electoral map of the US. Basically, the Democrats start off with a 40 electors or so advantage in the Electoral College that the Republicans have to make up, and there are only 10-12 states that are "swing states" that could vote either way, which means the Republicans have to take more of them than the Democrats. In short, unless you happen to live in one of those "swing states" your vote is basically meaningless in the US because so many states are so far to the red or to the blue.

The main point the commentator was making was that, if the Republicans lose the swing states of Ohio and Florida it is basically over for them. That means they need a candidate that can run strong in places filled with moderate and independent voters. That is exactly why Cruz, not Trump, would be the true disaster for Republicans. Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Michigan - Cruz places third or worse in swing states among Republicans. Who cares if he gets 90% of the vote in Alabama; he gets destroyed by any Democrat in the swing states that matter. He can't even excite Republicans there, much less anyone else. But this fact is conveniently never stated on Fox News, of course.

Trump, on the other hand, has shown strength in those swing states, and may even put a couple of "Democratic" states like Massachusetts in play because Hillary is not showing a lot of strength in "blue states", she is winning the "red ones" that in the general will likely go to the Republicans. And he is also strong in Southern/traditionally Republican states as well. What no one is saying is that Sanders supporters may be as likely to vote for Trump than Clinton. NAFTA and the Iraq War are serious anchors around Clinton, which is why about half of her party won't support her - which puts her in about the same position as Trump. But Trump might get some of those voters; no Republicans are voting for Clinton.

Trump has a lot of issues and problems, but so does Hillary. There is a lot of anti Obama sentiment out there and if Hillary gets indicted, what then? Even if she doesn't, I am sure that there will be leaks of the evidence found against her and pressure from Republicans to pursue the case. In fact, would they impeach Obama for failing to indict Hillary if the evidence supports it? Something else that is not being talked about much right now, but is a distinct possibility if they feel crimes are being covered up or ignored.

Paul Markham · 03-19-2016, 02:46 AM

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The reason the Republicans lost the last two election is purely based on immigration. Millions upon millions of people from 3rd world countries with low IQs coming to this country and vote Democrat. They're on the dole.

Again, you keep singling Trump out like he is the only person without talking about HILLARY. Why are you so biased and not realize that someone will become President? Do you not think democrats will vote for Trump over her? I see Trump easily taking New York and Michigan. Trump has huge support from many different factions of society and once he sets his sights on Hillary, it'll be over

I didn't know migrants were allowed to vote. Certainly the children of migrants from before 1996 are allowed, and the many of the migrants that were over 40 years old then are on their way to becoming deductors from the system.

You can't see past the reason so many are allowed in, voter numbers aren't the key reason. Wages and property prices are key and that's controlled by the top 5%. Then there's the extra load on the Public Service, more problems need more people to look after them. Then the Liberalisation of many in the Upper Middle class. They see them all as victims who should come to the West to have some of what we have.

Trump won't solve the problem with his Wall. The only way to solve the problem is through benefits, jobs and housing. Remove those from the system for illegal migrants and repatriate those who don't earn enough to contribute.

Paul Markham · 03-19-2016, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

At some point in time the Republican party will have to stand behind Trump. If Trump does not run as a Republican, the Republican party will loose the race - Trump would take a large percent of Republican voters with him ensuring that both Trump and the Republican nominee will loose.

All Clinton has to do is ask Trump precisely what he intends to do with China exporting so much to the US. Any answer he gives, she can then tell Americans how that's going to raise the cost of living by whatever % he hits Chinese goods with.

And that will hit Trump supporters in the gut, they think Trump is going to give them something.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-19-2016, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

All Clinton has to do is ask Trump precisely what he intends to do with China exporting so much to the US. Any answer he gives, she can then tell Americans how that's going to raise the cost of living by whatever % he hits Chinese goods with.

And that will hit Trump supporters in the gut, they think Trump is going to give them something.

No they don't Paul, you fucking moron!

Paul Markham · 03-20-2016, 03:38 AM

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No they don't Paul, you fucking moron!

Explain why then.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-20-2017, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Trump can't be described as a typical GOP candidate. They have to back him if he wins the Nominee race. All this talk about nominating someone else is hot air.

Can he win, will the two houses back or block him and what happens in the next round of elections?

Clearly people are pissed off with the old style candidates. Do they have the will to vote for candidates who don't have huge war chests of money to spend?

Yes

They won the Presidency, The House and The Senate

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-20-2017, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

If you look at the polls.... No, he will not win.

If he looses the nomination (which is possible), he will run his own which pretty much ensures he will not win and the Republican party will not win - Trump would most likely take a large portion of his Republican voters with him.

If Trump wins the nomination he will go against Clinton or Sanders. According to polls, he would loose to either of them.

Of course a lot could change from now until then.

Good call, Rochard

Spot on as usual

Robbie · 02-20-2017, 10:39 AM

Actually the GOP didn't win shit.

Trump is no Republican. He's a New York Democrat who stuck an "R" in front of his name on the ballot to win the Presidency.

He is a total Populist. That's why the establishment Republicans fought him all the way and you still have McCain and Graham trying to hurt him.

Joshua G · 02-20-2017, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

If you look at the polls.... No, he will not win.

If he looses the nomination (which is possible), he will run his own which pretty much ensures he will not win and the Republican party will not win - Trump would most likely take a large portion of his Republican voters with him.

If Trump wins the nomination he will go against Clinton or Sanders. According to polls, he would loose to either of them.

Of course a lot could change from now until then.

rochard...isn't it great that the internet records the things we say in the past? & then we can weigh them with actual history.

do you still believe polls rochard? i bet you do!

i bet you believe trump has a 40% approval too, because the same lying polls say so.

Joshua G · 02-20-2017, 03:12 PM

no comment from rochard! wants to forget the things he said before the election.

lets forget rochard said hilarys win, "won't even be close" according to the polls!

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Penny24Seven So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 6,289	Paul knows more about America than anyone who lives here. He thinks we live in fear of getting shot and ISIS, another I can't remember. Fact is and i'm around 1000 people a week and not once has anyone ever said i'm afraid of anything but sitting in traffic LOL. We enjoy the weather and do whatever we want. I don't carry a gun and do not care if people do. I live in a town of 50K and it averages one murder a year. I will take those odds. __________________ Our site is coming soon. It will be one of the best ever! I know so. Brian and Penny

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hottoddy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: PacNorWest Posts: 3,046	The GOP only has a chance if they borrow a page or two from the liberal strategy guide. Something must be promised to the have-nots (47%+) and taken from the haves (eg, $, immigration amnesty, etc). __________________ - *** -

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Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 70,164	If you look at the polls.... No, he will not win. If he looses the nomination (which is possible), he will run his own which pretty much ensures he will not win and the Republican party will not win - Trump would most likely take a large portion of his Republican voters with him. If Trump wins the nomination he will go against Clinton or Sanders. According to polls, he would loose to either of them. Of course a lot could change from now until then. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,841	Actually the GOP didn't win shit. Trump is no Republican. He's a New York Democrat who stuck an "R" in front of his name on the ballot to win the Presidency. He is a total Populist. That's why the establishment Republicans fought him all the way and you still have McCain and Graham trying to hurt him. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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03-17-2016, 11:03 AM	#3
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	He will win. voters are sexist.

03-17-2016, 11:34 AM	#4
plaster So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 2,295	Who is the gop?

03-17-2016, 01:03 PM	#7
Google Expert Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 14,295	President Donald Trump. Suck on it crybabies.

03-17-2016, 02:20 PM	#17
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 60,350	Heads up markahm USA is #1.

03-18-2016, 06:55 AM	#25
VRPdommy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 8,823	It remains to be seen in a brokered convention who gets the delegates of those who dropped out. I think there will be enough fan fare about that to piss-off both edges of the party to ensure a low turn out in the general election. Cruz (that nobody in the establishment likes) will want those delegates and the party will want to support a 3rd person that may not have even been in the race up to this point. The optics are going to be terrible. Trump will most likely prevail but not without some blood being shed. The republicans are dammed no matter what they do at this point. One third of the voters in both parties are dead set against trump in the general. Those third on the right may not turn-out and those third on the left surely will. I have already moved past this and now looking at what's going to happen in the house and the senate. It's going to be interesting when those running are asked questions on supporting Trumps platform. Plenty more news headlines coming.

03-18-2016, 09:08 AM	#30
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,090	And Rochard, will you please learn the difference between lose, loose, loses and looses.

03-18-2016, 03:07 PM	#35
JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE Trump! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Rent free in Bladewire's head Posts: 6,442	All Trump has to do is threaten an Independent run and they'll give him the nomination

03-18-2016, 07:41 PM	#38
imabro Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 871	Cannot wait to observe all the crying come November.

03-18-2016, 07:57 PM	#39
TCLGirls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Posts: 3,068	The GOP are in a loose-loose situation. They played too fast and lose with their own party rules.

03-19-2016, 01:09 AM	#41
NKYKev Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 283	I find it amusing that people are always wanting to cite national polls when, in reality, they mean almost nothing in an American election. I remember watching TV the night of the last election when one of the commentators showed an electoral map of the US. Basically, the Democrats start off with a 40 electors or so advantage in the Electoral College that the Republicans have to make up, and there are only 10-12 states that are "swing states" that could vote either way, which means the Republicans have to take more of them than the Democrats. In short, unless you happen to live in one of those "swing states" your vote is basically meaningless in the US because so many states are so far to the red or to the blue. The main point the commentator was making was that, if the Republicans lose the swing states of Ohio and Florida it is basically over for them. That means they need a candidate that can run strong in places filled with moderate and independent voters. That is exactly why Cruz, not Trump, would be the true disaster for Republicans. Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Michigan - Cruz places third or worse in swing states among Republicans. Who cares if he gets 90% of the vote in Alabama; he gets destroyed by any Democrat in the swing states that matter. He can't even excite Republicans there, much less anyone else. But this fact is conveniently never stated on Fox News, of course. Trump, on the other hand, has shown strength in those swing states, and may even put a couple of "Democratic" states like Massachusetts in play because Hillary is not showing a lot of strength in "blue states", she is winning the "red ones" that in the general will likely go to the Republicans. And he is also strong in Southern/traditionally Republican states as well. What no one is saying is that Sanders supporters may be as likely to vote for Trump than Clinton. NAFTA and the Iraq War are serious anchors around Clinton, which is why about half of her party won't support her - which puts her in about the same position as Trump. But Trump might get some of those voters; no Republicans are voting for Clinton. Trump has a lot of issues and problems, but so does Hillary. There is a lot of anti Obama sentiment out there and if Hillary gets indicted, what then? Even if she doesn't, I am sure that there will be leaks of the evidence found against her and pressure from Republicans to pursue the case. In fact, would they impeach Obama for failing to indict Hillary if the evidence supports it? Something else that is not being talked about much right now, but is a distinct possibility if they feel crimes are being covered up or ignored.

02-20-2017, 03:12 PM	#50
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	no comment from rochard! wants to forget the things he said before the election. lets forget rochard said hilarys win, "won't even be close" according to the polls!