Penny24Seven

Fiddy westerners who live in the East and were born in the North but eat like in the South.

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We agree on something... Not sure if this is good or bad.

RegUser

you do have a point but are mixing two issues. The current refugee flood in EU is caused by what you are talking about.
But the issue I am talking about has been going for more than 25 years

RegUser

If anyone has doubt about how dumb westerners are, please check the following news snippet......so called refugees stoning vehicles on highway so that they can hitch a ride when vehicles slow down !!
Calais migrants displaced, forced to move deeper into camp | Fox News

I don't blame the fraudsters, they are doing what they have learnt in life.
But what about the westerners?
For Pete's sake why cant they understand and see that these assholes are simply trying to move from one rich country to the more richer?
Why are Westerners still shedding crocodile tears for such blatant in your face criminality?
Someone please tell me W H Y ???

Paul Markham

How do you suggest we get rid of Islam?

In the 12th Century Protestantism emerged, it was ruthlessly crushed until the 16th Century. It took a lot of wars before Christianity was able to progress peacefully with different ways to worship.

The split in Islam started in 632 AD, it split along tribal and national lines. And the killing began. With one sect trying to kill the other sect and take their possessions. Saladin, a Sunni Kurd, their great warrior king who fought against the Crusaders. Spent a lot of his time killing Shia Muslims. Also, he was more afraid of being assassinated by a Muslim that a Crusader.

Research of the Ottoman Empire also reveals how they use terror as a means of control.

Of course, the original use of the Jihad was not for fighting the West or Christians. It was to spread Islam at the point of a sword.

After the invasion of Iraq, the Muslims were unable to sit around a table and talk things through. They resorted to killing.

This isn't about a few individuals, or Nations leaders ordering a regular army into battle. It's about people who believe the other side of their faith deserves to die because they worship differently. The leaders just use that belief and the promise of a place in Heaven if they die.

Which takes us back to Christianity and the emergence of Protestantism and the way it was crushed by one side killing the other on the promise of a place in heaven.

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pimpmaster9000

what I am talking about has been going on since ww2...more than half a century of US foreign policy and centuries of colonization before this...

it is time to pay for what the US and our forefathers did...is it fair? fuck no...but people have every right to flee from injustice just like the refugees are doing...they have no moral obligation to stay and die, because the US feels like bombing the world left and right...no obligation to fight US bullshit whilst the EU licks the US foreign policy asshole...

you would do EXACTLY the same in their shoes...its not fair to call them fraudsters IMO

next time honest honest bill clinton, or bush or some other member of the US corporate dynasty wants to start a war, you hit the streets in protest and make your government take its tongue out of filthy US asshole...fight for the right to keep your country safe from US bullshit...


Islam has nothing to do with it...nothing at all...I base this on the fact that I have been in many muslim countries, lived in one for 2 years (lybia) and have stayed for longer periods of time in several...also spent 13 years of my life living in 5 other european countries and met many muslims...

there are billions of muslims and if islam preached hate, the world would be a very very different place...

islam has as much to do with terrorism as US bombs have to do with liberation and democracy...

this is more of a case of people feeling the need to gargle the medias islamophobia dildo...the truth does not sell...but FEAR does...

"ISLAM IS OUT TO GET YOU, SHARIAH IN EU!"

fucking sells like hot cakes

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That led to the colonization era by Europe. Think about that one for a bit

Nobody ever comes back from heaven or hell except in the movies ...

RegUser

Yes indeed. But I am not asking why asylum shoppers are doing it
I am asking
why are westerners so fucking dumb as to not see the writing on the wall?
Lets focus on above question only, Please

Paul Markham

As little to do with it as the European Nations expanding Empires under the guise of spreading Christianity.

Religion is the galvanising force that makes people go into unnecessary wars to expand the wallets of a few. And yes Islam does preach hate and spreading Islam by war.

Blaming the West is implying Muslims are unable to stop themselves from killing each other. Much like the tribal atrocities the World over. It's something very basic within us to hate a stranger. And for uss to want to extend their powers, using that instinct.

Yes and colonisation of the world. It starts with the head religious ponchos thinking they can get a seat in heaven, by killing non-believers. Then the non-believers become people who want to worship the same god, messiah but in a slightly different way. The religious wars in Europe are a clear sign of how it works. Even as recent as 1935 Germany waged war on German Jews.

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Paul Markham

War isn't anything new, doesn't need the West or US to make people start killing each other. They're just a great excuse. It's an age-old culture.

War is as old as time: Cambridge University researchers unveil massacred bodies dating back 10,000 years | Africa | News | The Independent

Once we realise this, we can deal with stopping it.

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pimpmaster9000

because ISIS is the only job in syria at the moment...or the other side...because iraq and iran are next...after that saudi will fall...no oil for EU...chaos...collapse of economy...

you would join ISIS too if you had starvation as the other choice...

you just want to cure the cold without treating the cancer...immediate gratification...kick the can down the road for some other generation to solve...

closing boarders and turning our head away from the problem is not a solution...



this is a complete lie...1/4 of humanity is muslim and if this was even remotely true the world would look much different...oh and its a complete lie LOL...if you feel the need to believe that islam preaches hate go right ahead and believe it...all I know is 99% of the worlds terror attacks are done by christians...and by terror attacks I mean US army...

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Well anyone else care to explain to me why westerners are in this shitty "business" of refugees even though it is crystal clear to rest of the world that the so called refugees are economic opportunists, criminals fleeing justice and queue jumpers most of the time??
Anyone????

Paul Markham

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are severe against the disbelievers and merciful among themselvesâ?¦ (48:29)

And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall â?? â??any way of successâ?�] (4:141)

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)

Those who disbelieve from among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".


Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Do you need more proof?

Of course, if you say it's not Islam. then it has to be the people who claim it as their religion. You certainly hate America. How about Jews, Christians, and Hindus?

Are you Sunni or Shia?

The greatest thing about the Internet is the knowledge it distributes. Someone can say Islam preaches hate. The, Google it to see the truth.

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Ok lets take your same logic and use it in another way.. Refugees have committed rapes in hosting countries, therefore all refugees (or most) are dangerous rapists.

It's an extreme but so was your example, but broken logic all the same. I don't think flooding any country with people of extremely different cultures is a good idea either but claiming they are all horrible evil people is just an ignorant step that is unnecessary to prove a point.

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It will get much worse in 2016 and Donald Trump will win a landslide victory as a result.

RegUser

I guess this board is roaring when it comes to "them" but dead quite when it comes to "us"

Paul Markham

Glenn statistical evidence shows Muslims are 4 times more likely to break the law including sex crimes.

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Rape, in Western terms, is part of their culture. And the evidence proves many turn a blind eye to engaging in these activities.

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RegUser

Can we get back to the topic please?
This thread is not about muslims or anyone else.
It is about WESTERNERS

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Paul Markham

Because the refugees are black or brown and Westerners are fed a ton of guilt. Add these;

Black and Brown countries are so fucked up they can't look after themselves. White countries can.

Can you imagine refugees from America, Australia, Canada, etc?

The EU passed a law to make it legal for a poor unemployed Bulgarian, Romanian, etc. To move from a poor benefits system to a better one.

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czarina

Somewhere, somehow, the government is making money on it. I just haven't figured out how, but eventually it will come out.

NatalieK

Since my partner & I moved to Spain, we have thought about movement of people a lot!

I know a different situation, alas, the area of Torrevieja where we now reside, 15 years past, was the capital of the Spanish tourists. A lovely area full of Spaniards. Now 15 yrs later, the area has been over built with British shops, Irish bars & other nationality restaurants. The area where I live is probably 60% British, which is not something I moved to Spain for.

Have the British people living here created an area like in the UK full of Muslims, Hindu's, like areas of Luton, London, Birmingham, Indians or Pakistanis areas that some British folk moan about?

I know for fact, it is different here in Spain. The people that move to Spain want to & do all work & support themselves!

We, my partner & I have moved from the UK where we was earning up to 18k a year & still having our home of 1k a month, our home tax & £400 a month of 'working mans tax credit' coming into our home, to enjoy living on. This is a usual standard income when you have a child. We didn't con or beg, it is & was given because that's the UK. Now here in Spain, we support ourselves with no extra benefits, we need to have our own medical insurance & much more. Alas, we love living here, it's fun, enjoyable & so nice all year around!

Live where you want, but get a job & earn your own income. Allow refugees into a country, give them help, they didn't ask to be born in a war torn country. But help them get a job & support your country & themselves!

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Maybe waiting for nothing left in those countries, so they can take them & drain them.... oil, resources, rock, earth?

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Dumb as fuck.they will get almost free ppl for work

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pimpmaster9000

paul LOL you just quoted random shit, like if I was to take snippets from the christian bible and claim all christians are so and so...you went on to call it proof...

if islam preached hate, and islam is 1/4 of the world, the world would be a very different place...go to your local mosque and ask if islam really hates infidels etc...

I am not muslim, I come from ex-yugoslavia, I am christian by heritage but an atheist and believe in batman more than I do in god, because batman is a more plausible story than virgin mary LOL

you are free to keep believing islam hates you, you are all digging your own grave LOL I am moving to south or central america soon, have fun with your imaginary enemies and try not to focus on real problems like the USA war mongers but rather try to blame shit on people who have lost everything and are running from violence

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I do understand your guilt theory, never thought of it before.
Okay black/brown get sympathy but then how come highly talented black/browns stand absolutely no chance for immigration even though they are ready to prove themselves, will assimilate without any problems or tax payers' $$$ and will be an asset to the nation they decide to settle in?

RegUser

Allow refugees but don't allow talented, highly educated, westernized people?
"they didn't ask to be born in a war torn country." But they are the ones who are fighting in the first place.
So we should award people who fight and can not learn to settle their differences peacefully?
Lets bring them here so that they never get to learn what made western civilization what it is today but rather let them retain their culture and carry on their 18th century ways?

RegUser

You are mostly right but forgot to add one little point - people who have lost everything and are running from violence TO RICH COUNTRIES OF THEIR CHOICE, sometimes over thousands of kms away
Right?
There are no other countries in between for these poor souls?
After all Australia is just across Indian Ocean from Sri Lanka
Western Europe is right next to Syria and Pakistan

NatalieK

I didn't mention not allowing talented or highly educated people into any country, so I don't understand why you've said that & the whole country are not fighting, maybe first, people should stop stereo typing

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I am not implying that you said no immigration but this thread is about allowing criminals and not allowing well educated professionals.
That's what the west excels at somehow.
People fleeing for their lives run to the nearest safe place which happen to be next province or next country, no the richest country offering max $$$$, 10000 kms away.

RegUser

True to a small extent. But then again these countries can mass import labour if they want so this is one reason but not the only reason

ITraffic

if you think countries flooding themselves with immigrants has to do with anything other then importing cheap and complaint slave labour then you need to wake the fuck up.

it has nothing to do with some fantasy of "libbies" but capitalism and everyone here is a capitalist so who gives a fuck?

RegUser

If the US or Germany announce tomorrow that they will let anyone in for cheap labour and applicants will have to spend just $1100, I can assure you that the number of applications will be enough to sink a massive ship.
This is not about importing cheap labour, there is much more to it, Although cheap labour is one positive outcome of it.

pimpmaster9000

if only the pesky refugees had manners and went to ethiopia to die in the dessert sparing their ex colonial masters, and US foreign policy buttlickers, the unpleasant situation of not being able to enjoy the fruits of centuries of colonial exploitation and decades of failed US foreign policy...

bro...I have a solution...the EU can make a giant rug...like big enough to cover the whole middle east....we just sweep the whole middle east under the rug, then pretend the problem does not exist!

this is a well known way of solving problems, just look the other way and it does not exist and it will go away by itself

shit my dog does it sometimes, when its time for a bath he looks the other way and pretends he does not hear me

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You are correct about current cause of refugee influx but are going way too overboard and not seeing other reasons. Yes the US has raped the middle east recently but the refugee drama has been playing for over two decades. Western countries have been letting in criminals and murderers in the name of providing safe refuge. Look around in the UK US France Germany Canada and Australia How many terrorists from Asian countries descended happily during late eighties and nineties.
The problem in EU could have been fixed in one bloody day - Just had to declare that EU will not accept a single refugee for next five years. Anyone who shows up will be thrown back to country he claims to be from.
Easy.
But obviously there is something else involved here.
And by the way, once again, please do not confuse the issue of why westerners are so dumb with what are causes of refugees running to rich countries. These are two different issues. Thank you.

NatalieK

I agree there should be some system set up to deter criminals, Australia has a ruthless system

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So, anyone else who can please enlighten me why westerners are dumb enough NOT to understand that so called refugees in Calais camp who throw stones at passing trucks to slow them down and hitch a ride to apply for asylum in more rich UK rather than not so rich France are not human beings escaping war?

pimpmaster9000

reality: the huge majority of those refugees are not criminals or terrorists...

terrorists from aisan countries descended to US UK France Germany Canada??? what asian terrorists are you exactly referring to and where exactly would I go looking about for them in said countries? dude

you keep forgetting that not accepting refugees leads to them going to less financially stable countries and destabilizing them and expanding the problem further? <----ignore this all you need, I understand that it is detrimental to your district 9 proposal

as for the refugees throwing rocks, I will dare hazard a guess that not all people who have families to feed back home, or have lost everything, are going to behave like bona fide citizens and quietly wait to be put in camps, where the governments who fucked up their countries in the first place, find most convenient...you have to understand the obvious anger against the dick the west fed their countries and the fact that most of them have connections for jobs and/or family in the exact countries they want to flee to...

sorry to get in the way of your walls and concentration camps proposal herr ober fuhrer

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bump for enlightenment

dhihi

Are those refugees really bad people or they just do terrible things in other countries?
Do they think moving to another country earn you the right to shit in public places?

RegUser

This thread is not about those who shit but about those who let themselves be shitted upon

Paul Markham

I did not quote random shit. I quoted the Quran and only a small part. Go quote the New Testament and see how much of it talks about hate. The Old Testament which is based on the Judaic Bible does have a lot of hate in it.

The problem comes when people take the parts they want and apply it. The problems in Yugoslavia come from the time the Turks decided to invade Europe.

Islam does hate non-believers, you're saying those who have abandoned strict Islam no longer hate us. They just don't like us enough to allow us to date or marry their children or allow their women to dress like us. However after visiting Bosnia, I saw some are changing.

If it's not Isalm causing the problems. It has to be the people who follow it, in the regions that have problems. You blame the West, and in particular, the US.

Are Western Troops there on the ground fighting, is it a few individuals fighting, or is it a lot of people trying to kill each other and need little reason to slaughter fellow Muslims?

Yes, we removed regimes in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc. These regimes were savage and killed without thinking. Without any pushing by the West. Once removed did the people get around a table to talk the situation through and come to an agreement for the benefit of all the people in that country?

No, they all started to fight internally and made every attempt to ruin the lives of the people. Whether it was right or wrong to invade, they were given a golden opportunity to change. all they did was show us why savage regimes are the only way to rule these people.

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I have no idea what you're referring to. Probably individual cases. In the UK, there are 100,000s qualified immigrants.

Europe already has that system, and it's all about cheap labour.

Just a higher percentage are criminals and terrorists. This is proven that when they do arrive in the West, they bring the East with them.

The vast majority are people who will not integrate, expect their hosts to change to accommodate them, expect the citizens of these countries to have lower wages, higher rents, worse education, health services, social care and to be given money. They will dress their women to stay apart, many will keep their women and children as second rate citizens, teach their children to do the same. Even to the extent of killing those who don't adhere. Honour Killings are something you should research. As I said, it's a religion of hate. And they insist on bringing it with them.

They're not here in Czech, or in any other country with a frugal or strict benefits system. They're walking through very safe countries to get to those that will give them more. There's not one single person in the Calais Camp in fear of their lives from anyone but fellow migrants. They face more risk in those camps than applying for Asylum in Greece. Most have thrown away their passports, so can't prove who they are or if they face execution or imprisonment back home.

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crucifissio, I don't know where you live or how much you have studied the situation. Here's my take on it.

Radical and political Islam is like Christianity was until the 30 years war. It ruled over States as a superior authority. Roman Catholic laws were above laws of the country, the best example is Henry the VIII needing the Pope's permission to remarry to provide the England a male heir.

Their power was being able to decide who went to heaven and who dod not.

Islam wants to rule above State's lawmakers and in many countries today their laws are founded on Islam. Even Ireland until recently banned the sale of contraceptives. The difference is today the Irish didn't execute people for breaking religious laws. Many Muslim countries still do, as do ISIS, Al Queda, Boko Harem and many more Muslims like Fathers that kill daughters for not marrying the person chosen for them.

Give that power to priests like we did and it's a great tool to make people die to take power, land and property from those who currently have it. And should you die in your fight to establish the right version of Islam, you get 70 virgins in Heaven.

Those holding guns and killing aren't a minority, they're the ones with the best guns and army. Should that be the ones fleeing, we would see the otherside fleeing. Assuming they will not bring the Eastern Culture with them is ignoring the reality, they do bring it and do enforce it on their children.

Will they integrate over time? Not until they leave Islam behind them. Because Isalm forbids them to integrate and commands them to convert us. You might as well ask a Roman Catholic and Protestants in the 16th Century to integrate. They decided it was best to sort it our by war.

Religion or culture or a combination. It's the foundation of the problem and bring people here doesn't make it go away.

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pimpmaster9000

@paul

you are so wrong about islam its just obvious you have never spent time in islamic countries....they are normal people just like you and me...they like allah instead of batman or whatever...this is the only difference...

I understand that the EU and USA need to protect themselves from decades of their own foreign policy and are finding "great reasons" to turn people away that are running from what was served to them by the west...

it does not matter bro...its amusing to watch and the more you "district 9" them the bigger the problem will become...EU will stop licking US foreign policy asshole sooner or later...the EU will be like israel LOL...we will bring back apartheid LOL

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Muslims have been killing each other and conquering other people for 1,400 years. You have to be a retard to believe that Islamic terrorists are a result of US policy. It's the religion that's the problem at its core. Europe will go the way of the Sasanian Empire if they continue to let the economic migrants pour in. How many Zoroastrians do you know in real life? Probably zero.

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More deaths from "Terrorists" or Americans shooting each other?

More rapes by refugees or Catholic priests?

More Christians in UK jails than Muslims?



But never let facts get in the way of that pure feeling of hatred for people of a different culture.

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