mce

Don't say you weren't warned.

http://etfdailynews.com/2016/01/13/w...-5500-by-2017/

Personally, I think the 2017 timeline is a bit aggressive. I'm thinking more around the 2018 timeframe.

Regardless, it's time to give hard assets a second and third look...

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HeadPimp

For a non-institutional investor, playing the stock market is about as good as playing slots.

You will never win against computers that execute trades of thousands of shares in millisecond intervals.

rowan

The large majority of humans are also totally shitty at predictions, even if they're an 'expert' in their field. It's an unfortunate part of human nature that we marvel when an expert gets something right, but quickly forget when they (more often) get it wrong.

Rochard

So someone I've never met is pointing me to a website I've never heard of trying to convince me something I refuse to believe.

Sure.

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If you are in for the long game, it is okay. Stock Market has better rate of return than leaving money in a bank.

Just don't withdraw from stock market during a bust.

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mce

Just remember to bump this thread when the DJIA crosses the 7500 mark on its way to the 5K-ish range.

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True words.

Just invest in long term stocks and leave the gamblers alone.

The problem is the lack of control we have over these gamblers.

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pornguy

My parents did some investing when I was a kid. actually starting before I was born. They would invest about 12 dollars a month in bluechips. My moms portfolio is now worth more than 500k. Considering that she has been retired for 17 years thats not bad.

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thanks for the infos...

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tammix

playing PowerBall is ok?

HowlingWulf

Don't we see these doom predictions every year?
Then when they're finally right they tout that for years and years...

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PR_Glen

how about we bump the other 500 threads about doom and gloom in the markets over the past 15 years instead? Nobody here predicted the mortgage crisis thing in 2008 either..

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Protect yourself.
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MaDalton

i always base my investments on the GFY experts opinions...

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VRPdommy

I predict that the false prophets will die from the lack of attention by the end of 2017.

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Buy Bitcoin today, don't say I didn't warn you.

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GFED

Yes, not a bad idea to turtle into something our fed has less control of. I've got a recurring deposit at coinbase. I think bitcoin is a valid investment.

OneHungLo

Exactly. The same guys were telling us to build bunkers in our back yards and melt our gold down for bullets in 2001, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2015 and now, in 1 year the Dow will lose 75% of its value.

If you're a trader, I would be shorting but if you're not retiring in the next 5-10 years and you're a long-term investor, you'll be fine.

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Barry-xlovecam

I remember the DJI was less than 1000 for some time during the Regan recession in 1982 or so. The bottom may be 9000 this time IDK really .... That is a lot of paper wealth destroyed.

mce

I feel bad for people who have a lot of MARGIN EXPOSURE.

Ouch........

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mce

Hey.. high risks, high reward, right?

Right

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Joshua G

i agree its a beginning of a period of sideways to down movement over the next several years. The oil crash & its bankruptcies will not resolve itself in only months. Chinas true picture is sketchy, wont resolve in only months.

The fed has no choice but to raise rates. they been at zero over a decade & its killing the savings rate, generating fresh bubbles in stocks & real estate. whats the Fed gonna do if the economy slows while rates are at zero? they will be helpless. gonna need a new government bailout! so the Fed cannot keep the bull going forever, & raising rates is not bullish for stocks.

great time to be in cash, relax, wait for the time to get great dividend paying stocks at great prices. my eye is on Exxon & duke energy. Their charts are seriously outperforming the market at the start of this year!

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RummyBoy

Interesting to see what happens this year. If you search youtube youll see Kiyosaki has been predicting a massive meltdown in 2016 for many years.

mce

The problem with forecasts is precise timing. Still, it pays to see the larger picture since the implications can be DEVASTATING.

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woj

Kiyosaki? really? that guy is a nobody, he wrote a somewhat popular fiction book 20 years ago, and then milked it for all he could... he has zero qualifications to be considered an expert on any topic, let alone the US stock market...

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ilnjscb

Ummmm maybe. I thought exactly what you say above, literally thought the guy was a fraud, then he went on a show and said, buy silver. Over the next 3 year, silver went up like 400% and took a while to come down. He could have been lucky, but it is really hard to call the metals markets like that. If he makes another good call, I'll suspend my skepticism.

Barry-xlovecam

2981.03 or about 16% loss in the DJI in 52 weeks ...

mce

Looks more like a slow motion wreck....

I wonder how the looming oil industry-related bankruptcies are going to impact the overall market.

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mce

Anyone notice that when the market hits the skids, there's always talk of Central Bank meddling which shoots the market back up again?

I wonder how long this will keep up.......

Aren't some euro economies in recession already?

Anyway, the FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS forcing stock markets down aren't going anywhere anytime soon: Early 2016 Global market correction arrives as expected ? Stock news That Matters

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mce

Notice that the 2008 had a run up which also featured small crashes and major pops.... That's a dead giveaway.

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bushwacker

Yep it's definitely on the way to 5000

rabbit

even a broken clock is right twice a day... plus you can dig up a shitload of such articles from every year without fail...

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rabbit

not saying market wont correct...or crash... but that most of these charlatans have no skin in the game and nobody calls them out when their 'predictions' fail. market is random, pure n simple. everybody sees patterns, but market is all about chaotic randomness. sure, there's order in chaos, but most of the patterns we see or deduct are not really there.

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Barry-xlovecam

A lot of money was made on the volatility



You are talking 2/3 of the equity value lost in 2017.



That is twice the percentage loss of the Great Depression.


That is like predicting the Messiah. 99% unlikely.

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Predicting a financial crisis is on its way is easy. There's always one its way. Getting the year spot on isn't that hard.

It will always be like this with uncontrolled financial markets, overspending, overborrowing and gambling a $100 is really worth $150.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...banking_crises

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mce

There's always a nice little run up before the BLACK SWAN shows up

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ITraffic

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

rowan

Think about it, by definition, it would not be a black swan event, if there's signs of it approaching...

I was reading about a physicist who did some fancy math and predicted the GFC, before it happened, and regressively, prior crashes such as the late 90s tech crash, and the 1990s housing crash in Japan. Can't remember details but it was some sort of oscillation that is usually related to physics data. Even these "black swans" have clear indicators.

mce

All I can say is... After all the tears have dried... Don't tell me I didn't try to warn you all.

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crockett

Every election year they do the doom and gloom about the stock market crashing..

mce

So you're saying it will never crash?

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crockett

chicken little was eventually right wasn't he?

OneHungLo

As the Dow is about to pass 18,000...

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