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beks001 · 12-24-2015, 07:05 PM

Which is easier to make 5 figs a month in as an affiliate? Mainstream or adult?

Purely affiliate and full time. Thoughts?

mce · 12-24-2015, 09:52 PM

If you have the right attitude and mindset and a SOLID GAME PLAN, either will do.

A client of mine has a FB Quote fan page (and matching blog). He's banking 5 figures.

Tinder and Grindr bot marketers make 5 figures per month too.

Income level is not determined by adult vs mainstream but whether you're willing, ready, and able to learn what you need to learn to achieve your goals.

ITraffic · 12-24-2015, 10:03 PM

keep in mind 80% of people literally think the internet IS fb.

is porn on fb?

extrapolate from there.

Craft · 12-25-2015, 12:27 AM

Its the product that counts. A solid buiesness Will win.

Paul Markham · 12-25-2015, 02:07 AM

Content is KING, Emperor and god.

Get the content right and the rest will follow.

People will not look at shit, click, surf, stay, bookmark, buy, etc anything that's shit. The "If I had enough traffic I could sell shit". Presupposes the person can get traffic with shit, he can't.

You're reading one of the few remaining porn webmaster forums because it has great content. The top sites are the top sites because they have great content, the top webmasters are the top webmasters because they have great content. My daughter spends all her free time watching Peedy Pie, or whatever his name is, because?

The days of sheeple making 5 figures a month by doing what everyone else does. Never happened.

ErectMedia · 12-25-2015, 02:12 AM

I've always done both since 2003 and the reason that if one area has a dip doesn't phase me much as usually something else is running strong.

If this was 2003 I'd probably say Adult as was normal back then to see conversion ratios of 1-x, 1-xx and 1-xxx where today normal leans more to 1-xxx, 1-xxxx as free porn galore as the game has changed to more of a give it away and sell ad spots. Had sites back then with only a few hundred visitors a day making bank.

I'd probably lean to mainstream today and not because I'm not making money in Adult anymore but because you don't have the adult restrictions so if you are strictly talking from an affiliate angle can promote mainstream shit anywhere and personally I make hundreds of dollars on some single leads I sell in mainstream.

Would still recommend doing what I did though. Run your adult game and tinker with mainstream on the side until you figure shit out and run both so you have a diversified income stream.

fuzebox · 12-25-2015, 08:19 AM

Why box yourself into these categories? "Mainstream", "Adult", even "purely affiliate"... These are barriers a lot of the world doesn't even acknowledge.

Figure out a traffic source and figure out how to monetize it.

The Porn Nerd · 12-25-2015, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ErectMedia

I've always done both since 2003 and the reason that if one area has a dip doesn't phase me much as usually something else is running strong.

If this was 2003 I'd probably say Adult as was normal back then to see conversion ratios of 1-x, 1-xx and 1-xxx where today normal leans more to 1-xxx, 1-xxxx as free porn galore as the game has changed to more of a give it away and sell ad spots. Had sites back then with only a few hundred visitors a day making bank.

I'd probably lean to mainstream today and not because I'm not making money in Adult anymore but because you don't have the adult restrictions so if you are strictly talking from an affiliate angle can promote mainstream shit anywhere and personally I make hundreds of dollars on some single leads I sell in mainstream.

Would still recommend doing what I did though. Run your adult game and tinker with mainstream on the side until you figure shit out and run both so you have a diversified income stream.

Golden advice here.

beks001 · 12-25-2015, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Golden advice here.

I'm basically trying to get to 100k annual in 2016.

Trying to figure out best approach.

ITraffic · 12-25-2015, 01:24 PM

figure out how to generate traffic first.

with that you have everything. without, nothing.

The Porn Nerd · 12-25-2015, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by beks001

I'm basically trying to get to 100k annual in 2016.

Trying to figure out best approach.

That's basically my goal every year: to add an additional 100k in profit. Try for the "low hanging fruit" first (the areas you are already making money). See if you can rinse/repeat or expand that side of things by doubling or tripling your existing sites. Then look for ways of optimizing or monetizing your existing customers. Can you sell them something else they may want or (better yet) need? Then try luring back ex-customers with email offers, different products (both adult and mainstream) and perhaps even selling your email lists (or partnering with another company to do mailings where you alternate your list with theirs).

But once you've exhausted all the ways to squeeze more $ out of your existing/ex-customers this is really the only avenue left:

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

figure out how to generate traffic first.

with that you have everything. without, nothing.

Good luck! I do know one thing: If you keep going you will find the right solution(s).

$money$ · 12-25-2015, 02:12 PM

I believe you could do it on both

incredibleworkethic · 12-25-2015, 02:26 PM

Trying both. Also trying myself to get to $100k/year is my goal, but for 2020. Sooner is obviously better but I think sustained progress is better than trying to get rich quick.

Both mainstream and adult for me.

The Porn Nerd · 12-25-2015, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by incredibleworkethic

Trying both. Also trying myself to get to $100k/year is my goal, but for 2020. Sooner is obviously better but I think sustained progress is better than trying to get rich quick.

Both mainstream and adult for me.

I'm going into my 8th year doing this shit (OMG). So I have some momentum. But when I started for the first few years even adding 10k annually was a win.

It still is, come to think of it. Happy Holidays!!

Barefootsies · 12-25-2015, 02:45 PM

I personally feel that you would be able to make money faster and bigger in mainstream than adult based on the current economy and circumstances. Especially if you are doing email marketing, and long term effective data management.

Based on my past experience in adult, it is not to say that you can't shoot content, make a website, and then work to drive traffic. Because you can. However, I would think the cost involved and learning curve in some ways would be harder and less profitable than spending that same time and money in mainstream by comparison. Especially for those older affiliates who already have solid experience in building websites, tracking conversions, etc..

Paul Markham · 12-25-2015, 02:47 PM

Real advice. Because "generating traffic" is easy. You did that by posting here, you can do that by posting on Twitter, FB, etc and never get anyone interested in buying anything.

List your skills, experience, character, resources. And what's special about you, everyone has something.

Then write, blog, vlog, etc and follow the rules the webmasters use to make sure it works to the best possible effect. There are people writing advice, guidance, opinions, news, entertainment, and a host of other things online.

What you're going to find out very soon is whether people like what you can offer. If not, improve or try something else.

Because the days of sticking up a few links and making money were over a long time ago. Full-time professionals with 15 years experience will swamp you.

Generating traffic is easy, generating a lot, getting them to stop, view, be intrigued to consider, bookmark, return, and then buy something is the name of the game. These guys have it. Top 500 YouTubers Filtered by SB Score - Socialblade YouTube Stats | YouTube Statistics

Now think of what you can offer the public.

Paul Markham · 12-25-2015, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Based on my past experience in adult, it is not to say that you can't shoot content, make a website, and then work to drive traffic. Because you can. However, I would think the cost involved and learning curve in some ways would be harder and less profitable than spending that same time and money in mainstream by comparison. Especially for those older affiliates who already have solid experience in building websites, tracking conversions, etc..

Why does he have to shoot porn?

As you said this market is so tough the odds are stacked against even good people starting from scratch. If fact, most people without some talent, or the gem of a good idea, are going to find it tough.

Can a newbie, start from scratch, not saying Beks is, and live off bouncing traffic these days? IMO surfers aren't stopping long enough on sites that don't offer them a good reason.

beks001 · 12-25-2015, 06:53 PM

Im an affiliate so no shooting content. Just build, build, build, cash checks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Why does he have to shoot porn?

As you said this market is so tough the odds are stacked against even good people starting from scratch. If fact, most people without some talent, or the gem of a good idea, are going to find it tough.

Can a newbie, start from scratch, not saying Beks is, and live off bouncing traffic these days? IMO surfers aren't stopping long enough on sites that don't offer them a good reason.

The Porn Nerd · 12-25-2015, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by beks001

Im an affiliate so no shooting content. Just build, build, build, cash checks.

I love Paul but he knows ZERO about making money online. Barefootsies on the other hand offers some solid advice.

Bottom line still applies tho: either you make ONE BIG SITE that you make your money off of or you build many, many, many sites and make a little off of each one. Maybe one of the 'little guys' hits it big for awhile and grows into a real moneymaker, maybe not. Either way, stopping will gauruntee failure.

mineistaken · 12-25-2015, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

keep in mind 80% of people literally think the internet IS fb.

Wrong.

8char

Andreweb · 12-26-2015, 01:25 AM

I haven't done any mainstrean in the last 5 years but I am thinking to start again something in 2016 !

incredibleworkethic · 12-26-2015, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I'm going into my 8th year doing this shit (OMG). So I have some momentum. But when I started for the first few years even adding 10k annually was a win.

It still is, come to think of it. Happy Holidays!!

I don't mean to get personal on this board, but we're on topic. How much are you clearing if you don't mind me asking?

No exact numbers needed. If you don't want to say, that's totally understandable! Congrats on your success.

WorldOfPorn · 12-28-2015, 01:48 AM

I heard that mainstream is better, money-wise.

mce · 12-28-2015, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

figure out how to generate traffic first.

with that you have everything. without, nothing.

Good point.

Build your biz around traffic and build ways to RETAIN that traffic.

BoomBoomBenoit · 12-28-2015, 09:43 AM

If we're looking at opportunities - the mainstream market is less mature, has less restrictions and is WAAAAY bigger. It is difficult to measure the actual size of online porn, but I've seen sources that estimate it's between $5 billion and $20 billion a year. Ecommerce is a little easier to measure and Statista says it's $1.5 TRILLION. (E-commerce worldwide - Statistics & Facts | Statista)

Considering the market is less mature, that sounds like a whole bunch of opportunity to me! The shear size of the market makes it more attractive. Online porn only appeals to a portion of the online audience (mostly dudes although more women are clicking on, it's still mostly dudes). But it's not all dudes, I've seen estimates between 60% to 70% of dudes and 15% to 20% of ladies enjoy smut. Compare to 90% of both men and women having made an online purchase...

Bigger market, bigger opportunity. Assuming the barrier to entry is the same, I suggest using the lessons learned in adult and taking advantage of the mainstream industry ;)

anexsia · 12-28-2015, 10:04 AM

I love building and managing adult websites and I still make good money as an adult affiliate. Just pick something you love doing and think you'll be good at and go for it! It's easier then ever now to make money online doing just about anything - the sky really is the limit with income from online activities.

j3rkules · 12-29-2015, 06:48 PM

Just pick something you love, give it some time and see your money grow.

DCSRO · 01-25-2017, 04:29 PM

you can do it both..

NatalieK · 01-25-2017, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DCSRO

you can do it both..

Struggle4Bucks · 01-26-2017, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Real advice. Because "generating traffic" is easy.

The whole internet is basically nothing but a WAR on traffic... and this guy likes to claim that generating the traffic is the easy part...

mce · 05-17-2017, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beks001

Im an affiliate so no shooting content. Just build, build, build, cash checks.

Didn't you have a blog network? How's that coming along? Is it social media 'virable'?

The Porn Nerd · 05-17-2017, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by incredibleworkethic

I don't mean to get personal on this board, but we're on topic. How much are you clearing if you don't mind me asking?

No exact numbers needed. If you don't want to say, that's totally understandable! Congrats on your success.

Sorry I missed this one. Six figures is all I will say on a public forum.

And yes, that's profit.

But I want to get into cams more, like you did! Gotta diversify in 2017.

deonbell · 05-17-2017, 12:49 PM

Porn is free and boring. I would go mainstream, ransomware, or scareware.

NatalieK · 05-17-2017, 05:03 PM

You can run adult & mainstream business, both can work...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craft

Its the product that counts. A solid buiesness Will win.

exactly

mce · 05-19-2017, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Gotta diversify in 2017.

Quoted for truth

2MuchMark · 05-19-2017, 02:23 PM

Lots of money in both.

incredibleworkethic · 05-20-2017, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Sorry I missed this one. Six figures is all I will say on a public forum.

And yes, that's profit.

But I want to get into cams more, like you did! Gotta diversify in 2017.

Awesome congrats on your success!

Klen · 05-20-2017, 03:35 AM

Old thread, but still relevant topic. All i can say, run like hell from adult :D

AlexRozett · 07-20-2017, 07:50 AM

I think it is easier on adult sites

CPA-Rush · 07-20-2017, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Old thread, but still relevant topic. All i can say, run like hell from adult :D

if u can

Barry-xlovecam · 07-20-2017, 08:17 AM

In mainstream you have 'super-affiliates' competing like AdWords, Facebook and Twitter advertising. Then there are thousands of branded sites like news media, Youtube, et al.

They list for sale affiliate and advertiser sites at Flippa in mainstream with their claimed revenue -- I would suggest you take a look-see

Hannes · 07-20-2017, 08:36 AM

you can make it on both. I haven't ever got e mainstream enough to speak on it in detail though.

oppoten · 07-20-2017, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mce

Didn't you have a blog network? How's that coming along? Is it social media 'virable'?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mce

Quoted for truth

Come on man, MORE CAPS!! You're losing your touch

mce · 08-05-2017, 08:57 PM

Has this content versus traffic debate been resolved yet?

All I know is that it is easier to build a business around existing traffic... than the other way around.

12-24-2015, 07:05 PM	#1
beks001 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,837	Mainstream or Adult? Which is easier to make 5 figs a month in as an affiliate? Mainstream or adult? Purely affiliate and full time. Thoughts?

12-24-2015, 09:52 PM	#2
mce Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: All Over Posts: 3,917	If you have the right attitude and mindset and a SOLID GAME PLAN, either will do. A client of mine has a FB Quote fan page (and matching blog). He's banking 5 figures. Tinder and Grindr bot marketers make 5 figures per month too. Income level is not determined by adult vs mainstream but whether you're willing, ready, and able to learn what you need to learn to achieve your goals. __________________ Pay Virtual Assistants Based on RESULTS instead of TIME STOP getting FUCKED IN THE ASS by your VA

12-25-2015, 02:07 AM	#5
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Content is KING, Emperor and god. Get the content right and the rest will follow. People will not look at shit, click, surf, stay, bookmark, buy, etc anything that's shit. The "If I had enough traffic I could sell shit". Presupposes the person can get traffic with shit, he can't. You're reading one of the few remaining porn webmaster forums because it has great content. The top sites are the top sites because they have great content, the top webmasters are the top webmasters because they have great content. My daughter spends all her free time watching Peedy Pie, or whatever his name is, because? The days of sheeple making 5 figures a month by doing what everyone else does. Never happened. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

12-25-2015, 02:12 AM	#6
ErectMedia Confirmed Chicago Pimp Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 7,100	I've always done both since 2003 and the reason that if one area has a dip doesn't phase me much as usually something else is running strong. If this was 2003 I'd probably say Adult as was normal back then to see conversion ratios of 1-x, 1-xx and 1-xxx where today normal leans more to 1-xxx, 1-xxxx as free porn galore as the game has changed to more of a give it away and sell ad spots. Had sites back then with only a few hundred visitors a day making bank. I'd probably lean to mainstream today and not because I'm not making money in Adult anymore but because you don't have the adult restrictions so if you are strictly talking from an affiliate angle can promote mainstream shit anywhere and personally I make hundreds of dollars on some single leads I sell in mainstream. Would still recommend doing what I did though. Run your adult game and tinker with mainstream on the side until you figure shit out and run both so you have a diversified income stream. __________________ Domain Name Registration Web3 Domains

12-25-2015, 02:45 PM	#15
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	I personally feel that you would be able to make money faster and bigger in mainstream than adult based on the current economy and circumstances. Especially if you are doing email marketing, and long term effective data management. Based on my past experience in adult, it is not to say that you can't shoot content, make a website, and then work to drive traffic. Because you can. However, I would think the cost involved and learning curve in some ways would be harder and less profitable than spending that same time and money in mainstream by comparison. Especially for those older affiliates who already have solid experience in building websites, tracking conversions, etc.. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

12-24-2015, 10:03 PM	#3
ITraffic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,726	keep in mind 80% of people literally think the internet IS fb. is porn on fb? extrapolate from there.

12-25-2015, 12:27 AM	#4
Craft Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 169	Its the product that counts. A solid buiesness Will win.

12-25-2015, 08:19 AM	#7
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 21,674	Why box yourself into these categories? "Mainstream", "Adult", even "purely affiliate"... These are barriers a lot of the world doesn't even acknowledge. Figure out a traffic source and figure out how to monetize it.

12-25-2015, 01:24 PM	#10
ITraffic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,726	figure out how to generate traffic first. with that you have everything. without, nothing.

12-25-2015, 02:12 PM	#12
$money$ So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 1,418	I believe you could do it on both

12-25-2015, 02:26 PM	#13
incredibleworkethic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,302	Trying both. Also trying myself to get to $100k/year is my goal, but for 2020. Sooner is obviously better but I think sustained progress is better than trying to get rich quick. Both mainstream and adult for me.

12-25-2015, 02:47 PM	#16
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Real advice. Because "generating traffic" is easy. You did that by posting here, you can do that by posting on Twitter, FB, etc and never get anyone interested in buying anything. List your skills, experience, character, resources. And what's special about you, everyone has something. Then write, blog, vlog, etc and follow the rules the webmasters use to make sure it works to the best possible effect. There are people writing advice, guidance, opinions, news, entertainment, and a host of other things online. What you're going to find out very soon is whether people like what you can offer. If not, improve or try something else. Because the days of sticking up a few links and making money were over a long time ago. Full-time professionals with 15 years experience will swamp you. Generating traffic is easy, generating a lot, getting them to stop, view, be intrigued to consider, bookmark, return, and then buy something is the name of the game. These guys have it. Top 500 YouTubers Filtered by SB Score - Socialblade YouTube Stats \| YouTube Statistics Now think of what you can offer the public. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

12-26-2015, 01:25 AM	#21
Andreweb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Internet Posts: 2,422	I haven't done any mainstrean in the last 5 years but I am thinking to start again something in 2016 ! __________________ Make Money With: Chaturbate

12-28-2015, 01:48 AM	#23
WorldOfPorn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 210	I heard that mainstream is better, money-wise. __________________ 85% off on 2 sites for sale - adultCelebs.com and xModelsPics.com - pornstars / babes niche

12-28-2015, 09:43 AM	#25
BoomBoomBenoit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 204	If we're looking at opportunities - the mainstream market is less mature, has less restrictions and is WAAAAY bigger. It is difficult to measure the actual size of online porn, but I've seen sources that estimate it's between $5 billion and $20 billion a year. Ecommerce is a little easier to measure and Statista says it's $1.5 TRILLION. (E-commerce worldwide - Statistics & Facts \| Statista) Considering the market is less mature, that sounds like a whole bunch of opportunity to me! The shear size of the market makes it more attractive. Online porn only appeals to a portion of the online audience (mostly dudes although more women are clicking on, it's still mostly dudes). But it's not all dudes, I've seen estimates between 60% to 70% of dudes and 15% to 20% of ladies enjoy smut. Compare to 90% of both men and women having made an online purchase... Bigger market, bigger opportunity. Assuming the barrier to entry is the same, I suggest using the lessons learned in adult and taking advantage of the mainstream industry ;) __________________ skype: boomboombenoit

12-28-2015, 10:04 AM	#26
anexsia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 5,735	I love building and managing adult websites and I still make good money as an adult affiliate. Just pick something you love doing and think you'll be good at and go for it! It's easier then ever now to make money online doing just about anything - the sky really is the limit with income from online activities.

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DCSRO Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 16	you can do it both..

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07-20-2017, 07:50 AM	#39
AlexRozett Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 37	I think it is easier on adult sites

07-20-2017, 08:17 AM	#41
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	In mainstream you have 'super-affiliates' competing like AdWords, Facebook and Twitter advertising. Then there are thousands of branded sites like news media, Youtube, et al. They list for sale affiliate and advertiser sites at Flippa in mainstream with their claimed revenue -- I would suggest you take a look-see

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Hannes Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 1,594	you can make it on both. I haven't ever got e mainstream enough to speak on it in detail though. __________________ Skype: gallag97 Email: [U]comingsoon/U]

08-05-2017, 08:57 PM	#44
mce Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: All Over Posts: 3,917	Has this content versus traffic debate been resolved yet? All I know is that it is easier to build a business around existing traffic... than the other way around. __________________ Pay Virtual Assistants Based on RESULTS instead of TIME STOP getting FUCKED IN THE ASS by your VA