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Old 10-08-2015, 12:50 PM   #1
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Russian missiles 'fell on Iran'

Syria crisis: Russian missiles 'fell on Iran' - BBC News

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I hate it when that happens.
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I like the comments from Syria.

Russia gets involved. Three weeks later everything is hunky-dory and the Syrian army is taking back villages!
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On a more serious note, if that did actually happen, that is what NATO has been worried about in regards to random bombs dropping on Turkey. That would not be good. Russian pilots already got "lost" and flew over Turkey a few times.

Russians seem to have a hard time with GPS, don't they? Ukraine, Turkey, Iran…
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That's what I was talking about here: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...luff-isis.html

Should not be a fun for the locals actually. However those cruise missiles should not detonate if they don't hit the target, so there must be no victims IMHO.

P.S. The only thing I don't like in those "news" is "unnamed US officials say". WFT is "unnamed officials"? A homeless drunk street whore? Why don't they mention the source? Who should we trust to? So if the information is correct, those "officials" have nothing to be afraid of, am I right? When I read the Russian news, I can always see the source of the information, because otherwise it's just a rumor, but not a proven fact. Who in the sane mind will want to read a "rumor newsletter"? I don't want to call it a bullshit, but please show the sources and bring some facts (e.g. satellite pictures etc). "He said, she said" arguments don't work here. We need facts and details.
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You mean to tell me that Russia launched missiles and had them fly over two countries? Did they have permission to do that?

They have a naval port in Syria - Why can't they just launch from the other side of Syria instead of having missiles flying over two countries?
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You mean to tell me that Russia launched missiles and had them fly over two countries? Did they have permission to do that?
I've asked the same question. Please watch this video:



In total 26 cruise missiles were launched from Caspian Sea.

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They have a naval port in Syria - Why can't they just launch from the other side of Syria instead of having missiles flying over two countries?
Because they don't need to move the warships through 3 seas, and because the fire range of those missiles allow to do this from 1500 kilometers?
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Maybe they ended in Kunduz? I mean,it is hard to tell when there is no evidence and when source is "unnamed US official". Things are getting even worse then they fell in territory where you don't have access to proove anything

Conclusion: Political elites there are safe to do what they want as long as they have obedient subjects like you.
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That's what I was talking about here: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...luff-isis.html

Should not be a fun for the locals actually. However those cruise missiles should not detonate if they don't hit the target, so there must be no victims IMHO.

P.S. The only thing I don't like in those "news" is "unnamed US officials say". WFT is "unnamed officials"? A homeless drunk street whore? Why don't they mention the source? Who should we trust to? So if the information is correct, those "officials" have nothing to be afraid of, am I right? When I read the Russian news, I can always see the source of the information, because otherwise it's just a rumor, but not a proven fact. Who in the sane mind will want to read a "rumor newsletter"? I don't want to call it a bullshit, but please show the sources and bring some facts (e.g. satellite pictures etc). "He said, she said" arguments don't work here. We need facts and details.
"Unnamed officials" are usually military brass who don't have the written authorization to release info to the press but are not releasing classified info. Meaning it's ok the press is told but they aren't an "official" spokesman or it wasn't an official press release.
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"Unnamed officials" are usually military brass who don't have the written authorization to release info to the press but are not releasing classified info. Meaning it's ok the press is told but they aren't an "official" spokesman.
Are those same guys that were showing mass graves in Kosovo or WMD in Iraq?
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"Unnamed officials" are usually military brass
No, usually it's a junkie whore or a storyteller like the one on the picture below. The military-related sources (e.g. Stratfor) always identity themselves and post the facts that prove their statements. At least, they are getting paid for that.



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Are those same guys that were showing mass graves in Kosovo or WMD in Iraq?
I bet they are the same ones. So it would be nice if some facts will be published. I don't want to deny that information (4 failures of 26 cruise missile launches look normal to me), but I need the facts, not so-called "unnamed officials say" which is not serious.
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No, usually it's a junkie whore. The military-related sources (e.g. Stratfor) always identity themselves and post the facts that prove their statements. At least, they are getting paid for that.
You are still mad Boris visited that American grocery store aren't yea?
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So are the Russians using the same GPS system Americans use?

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You are still mad Boris visited that American grocery store aren't yea?
I'm not mad at all. I'm sad for the US buyers in that grocery. The lighting there really sucks. In Russia the owners will be fined for that and the grocery will be closed till they fix the light there. Sorry but I'm got used with better quality standards.
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Because they don't need to move the warships through 3 seas, and because the fire range of those missiles allow to do this from 1500 kilometers?
LOL. Then what's the point of having the naval base?

Isn't that the primary point of this with Syria? To keep their naval base in the Mediterranean sea on the coast of Syria? But they don't want to sail their ships to get there?If you want to sit at the big boy table, you have to eat like a big boy. If they can't sail their ships from Russia to the Mediterranean sea, what's the point of doing all of this?
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LOL. Then what's the point of having the naval base?

Isn't that the primary point of this with Syria? To keep their naval base in the Mediterranean sea on the coast of Syria? But they don't want to sail their ships to get there?If you want to sit at the big boy table, you have to eat like a big boy. If they can't sail their ships from Russia to the Mediterranean sea, what's the point of doing all of this?
To refuel and to be able to unload troops and heavy equipment.
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LOL. Then what's the point of having the naval base? Isn't that the primary point of this with Syria?
Maybe to travel from Mediterranean Sea to Atlantic?

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To keep their naval base in the Mediterranean sea on the coast of Syria? But they don't want to sail their ships to get there?
Hint: the main Russian Mediterranean Sea base is in Cyprus now

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If you want to sit at the big boy table, you have to eat like a big boy. If they can't sail their ships from Russia to the Mediterranean sea, what's the point of doing all of this?
They wanted to test those cruise missiles in a real battle and they did that. The military guys are just playing with their toys, nothing else (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...723_story.html and Russia in Syria: Cruise Missiles Fired From Caspian Sea - Bloomberg Business)

P.S. Man, you are a former US marine. These things must be as obvious to you as they are obvious to me.
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And one more thing: beside demonstrating "maskirovka" tactics once again (everyone were monitoring and expecting attack from another side) this was also marketing for their cruise missiles. I can bet it will sell more thanRussia Arms Expo 2015
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You mean to tell me that Russia launched missiles and had them fly over two countries? Did they have permission to do that?

They have a naval port in Syria - Why can't they just launch from the other side of Syria instead of having missiles flying over two countries?
They had permission. They had the same goals as Iraq and Iran.

The strike group was in the Caspian. They were flexing their muscles and essentially showing off. Launching cruise missiles at this stage is very uncommon as well. There is lots to read about this with lots of input from generals from around the world. It's pretty clear what Russia was doing. Showing off.
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...Hint: the main Russian Mediterranean Sea base is in Cyprus now ...
Calling it a main Russian Med Sea Base is pushing it - They are allowed to dock there...
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oh my god this is just too good to be true.......the missed an entire nation LOL. THis can't get any better. Plus they fired them into the nation they claim to be supporting. Wow top notch military there
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That's what I was talking about here: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...luff-isis.html

Should not be a fun for the locals actually. However those cruise missiles should not detonate if they don't hit the target, so there must be no victims IMHO.

P.S. The only thing I don't like in those "news" is "unnamed US officials say". WFT is "unnamed officials"? A homeless drunk street whore? Why don't they mention the source? Who should we trust to? So if the information is correct, those "officials" have nothing to be afraid of, am I right? When I read the Russian news, I can always see the source of the information, because otherwise it's just a rumor, but not a proven fact. Who in the sane mind will want to read a "rumor newsletter"? I don't want to call it a bullshit, but please show the sources and bring some facts (e.g. satellite pictures etc). "He said, she said" arguments don't work here. We need facts and details.
How is your english this good?
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Maybe to travel from Mediterranean Sea to Atlantic?
This is my point. They have naval bases in the Mediterranean sea. Why launch missiles through the airspace of two countries with both civilian and military flights going through the area when they can do it from the Mediterranean and avoid this?

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They wanted to test those cruise missiles in a real battle and they did that.
Seems their "test" utterly failed - mostly because they bombed the wrong country.
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You mean to tell me that Russia launched missiles and had them fly over two countries? Did they have permission to do that?

They have a naval port in Syria - Why can't they just launch from the other side of Syria instead of having missiles flying over two countries?
Just US propaganda. "US unable to confirm" until they finish rendering the video.

Both countries gave pre-approval for flight path. Reveals interesting chinks in the US media armor.
Better to come in from the Caspian. More difficult for US to shoot down until it is too late.
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Calling it a main Russian Med Sea Base is pushing it - They are allowed to dock there...
What else they need to refuel and repair the warships on their way to Atlantic and back?

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Seems their "test" utterly failed - mostly because they bombed the wrong country.
Who told you that? Some "unnamed sources" from CNN? Are you serious? According to named sources in Russian Ministry of Defense and Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, no single Russian missile fell on Iran. So if Iran has no claims why the US "media" is so worried about that?
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Sure. For example, NATO has launched over 220 cruise missiles during the Yugoslavian war. Mostly the US-made "Tomahawk" Block III ones. Only 65% of them were able to hit the target.
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So if Russia has really lost 4 of 26 missiles, then 85% of launches were successful. Not bad at all, especially for the first battle use of the new cruise missiles.
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Sure. For example, NATO has launched over 220 cruise missiles during the Yugoslavian war. Mostly the US-made "Tomahawk" Block III ones. Only 65% of them were able to hit the target.
Fake targets mostly. It took months to figure out that they were hitting nothing. After they figured out how stupid they look and how much money was spent without effect, retaliation started: bombing of civilians and civilian structure (trainis, markets, water supplies, power plants). Just like a real pussies do.

Below is a must see video (even if it it still full of lies like those on the beginning).

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Who told you that? Some "unnamed sources" from CNN? Are you serious? According to named sources in Russian Ministry of Defense and Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, no single Russian missile fell on Iran. So if Iran has no claims why the US "media" is so worried about that?
No Russian has ever lied or been shady ever, so this very reassuring.

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Sure. For example, NATO has launched over 220 cruise missiles during the Yugoslavian war. Mostly the US-made "Tomahawk" Block III ones. Only 65% of them were able to hit the target.
They did hit destroy the chineese embassy in Belgrade LOL, they hit it with a cluster bomb, in complete violation of the geneva convention, the funny part is the street in which the embassy resides had only 2 buildings in it at the time, one was a giant chineese pagoda building (obviously the chineese embassy) and the other was like a mile away and it was the building of a company that makes hunting supplies

Can you imagine the brain dead US army idiot who out of 2 buildings picked the wrong one? Its not just US tech that is crap, its also the people operating it. No wonder america has lost every war since ww2 LOL its an idiot-fest in the US army
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Old 10-09-2015, 03:53 AM   #37
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No Russian has ever lied or been shady ever, so this very reassuring.

A Russian will piss on you and tell you it's raining.
Sure, Russian and Iranians are liars. We just love to piss on you and tell it's raining because your facial expression is always priceless in those moments. So you are absolutely right, only CNN and its "unnamed US sources" always tell you the truth.



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Old 10-09-2015, 04:03 AM   #38
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Fake targets mostly. It took months to figure out that they were hitting nothing. After they figured out how stupid they look and how much money was spent without effect, retaliation started: bombing of civilians and civilian structure (trainis, markets, water supplies, power plants). Just like a real pussies do.

Below is a must see video (even if it it still full of lies like those on the beginning).

i read about the busted tanks with heat sources inside, were there other fake targets too?
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Yep, it's just a matter of time.
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We all will die someday. Sooner or later... ;)
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I'm not mad at all. I'm sad for the US buyers in that grocery. The lighting there really sucks. In Russia the owners will be fined for that and the grocery will be closed till they fix the light there. Sorry but I'm got used with better quality standards.
They have that lighting in US grocery stores for two reasons. The obvious one is that its much closer to natural light and easier on the eyes. The second is those lights allow them to spotlight produce so that it pops out to the customer more. Setting fluorescent lights to the max like in the pictures you showed is a quick way to get a migraine :D
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They have that lighting in US grocery stores for two reasons. The obvious one is that its much closer to natural light and easier on the eyes. The second is those lights allow them to spotlight produce so that it pops out to the customer more. Setting fluorescent lights to the max like in the pictures you showed is a quick way to get a migraine :D
...also whole world is taking steps to reduce energy use/green house gas emmissions/etc, while Russia clearly doesn't give a shit, Putin probably owns some stock in their electric companies, so need to make sure electricity use is cranked up high..

...and you are right, lighting levels here feels natural, why would anyone want to feel like they are in a tanning bed while shopping?

...and wtf is wrong with you all? arguing about lighting level in stores? that's a new low, even for gfy...
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So if Russia has really lost 4 of 26 missiles, then 85% of launches were successful. Not bad at all, especially for the first battle use of the new cruise missiles.
So four missiles missed their target by hundreds of miles and hit the wrong country? I mean, didn't even hit the country next to Syria, they landed two countries away.
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So four missiles missed their target by hundreds of miles and hit the wrong country? I mean, didn't even hit the country next to Syria, they landed two countries away.
You are a former marine, right? Why do you say they "hit the wrong country"? Do you understand that in case of failure the cruise missile will not detonate? You can say "lost at some wrong country", but not "hit". Where did you learn the basics of military science? Man, I'm talking about basics which every brainless private must know.
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...also whole world is taking steps to reduce energy use/green house gas emmissions/etc, while Russia clearly doesn't give a shit
The "economy" on day-light lighting? What do you smoke, man? Your fridges and air conditioners consume 1000's times more power (yes, they are soooo fuckin' green LOL). Who cares if a grocery store has 100 or 300 of energy-saving energy-saving lamps? I can't believe you are such stupid...

Look at the image posted by MetaMan. It uses high energy-consuming incandescent lamps that burn much more electricity for heating and only small part of it on lighting. Now look at the pictures I've posted to that thread. Russian grocery stores use energy-saving daylight lamps only/ So wha do you think, where is a real energy-saving system, professor?
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You are a former marine, right? Why do you say they "hit the wrong country"? Do you understand that in case of failure the cruise missile will not detonate? You can say "lost at some wrong country", but not "hit". Where did you learn the basics of military science? Man, I'm talking about basics which every brainless private must know.
You say that as if an undetonated cruise missile would fall from the sky on a pillow of marshmallows.
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The "economy" on day-light lighting? What do you smoke, man? Your fridges and air conditioners consume 1000's times more power (yes, they are soooo fuckin' green LOL). Who cares if a grocery store has 100 or 300 of energy-saving energy-saving lamps? I can't believe you are such stupid...
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You say that as if an undetonated cruise missile would fall from the sky on a pillow of marshmallows.
It doesn't mater what you think, what I think, what CNN and Russian Ministry of Defense think. The only thing what really matters is what Iran thinks/says about it. Am I right?
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It doesn't mater what you think, what I think, what CNN and Russian Ministry of Defense think. The only thing what really matters is what Iran thinks/says about it. Am I right?
I don't disagree at all.

Although like I mentioned before, incidences like this make the concerns of Turkey and NATO very real. Especially since Russia has already crossed into Turkish airspace multiple times. If one of these undetonated cruise missiles, or any missile, lands on Turkish soil it's not going to be like the current Iranian situation.
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