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Old 09-12-2015, 05:53 AM   #1
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How does Pierre Woodman do it?

Was watching few WoodmanCastingX videos which left me with more questons than answers.

First of all, (an obviuos one) does anyone know how much he pays for a scene? I've googled that an off a lot and seen the same question being asked on his forum but all the answered I could find was "This question has been answered a lot of times already" but I could never find the original answer! Does anyone know?

Second, majority of his ladies are not porn actresses at the time of his interviews, but come to him as ordinary girls. These ordinary girls let him do absolutely everything to them including: anal (even if they never had that experience before), beat and insult them. Almost all videos seem like a long rape but the girls never ask to stop even if they don't feel comfortable. So I wonder if there are any psychological tricks or narcotics are being used? What do you think? I have intrest in psychology and I would really appreciete to learn something new.

Thirdly, all girls starring in those films scream and shout as loud as they can. All the time. WoodmanCastingX videos seem like amateur vids, but in reall life girls barely moan. Why do you think this is happening? Are they secretely told to always scream on film before the interview? Or they scream from the pain that they are getting? If they scream from the pain and they are hurt, why none of them ask to stop?
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Just three questions is too many for you?)) Man, which IQ level are you?
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Just three questions is too many for you?)) Man, which IQ level are you?
I counted more than three so higher than yours, apparently.
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I counted more than three so higher than yours, apparently.
You've proved otherwise. There are clearly three question topics and you may try to count again. If you count every questionmark as a completely seperate question without realising that they were only added for discussion, it makes me wonder if you went to basic school. Or are you still at a process?


Anyway, it is best to stay on the topic.
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He has been in business a long time, has wide distribution and revenue. The girls who are temporary talent often make snap decisions but tend to go with "established" producers. In their minds, it is better to know exactly what will be done than wonder if they'll wind up beaten, stiffed, or dead. They are complicit with the appearance of the scene, which is of course fabricated.

Translation: you will never be able to do this
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I know a few girls who shot for him, the girls are basically prostitutes or semi-pros they look like girls next door because they are not pro hookers, yet...he recruits in eastern euro...the nasty stuff is just a question of extra money...300 euros is classic b/g but everything else is extra...they go to shoot the scenes in another country and have not been paid yet, so basically he has the situation wide open for exploit, not saying that he does it, or that he pressures the girls, but the girls I know did not do the shoot in serbia...nor did they speak of him in a bad way, I am just saying that when the model goes to another country she does not have the option of bailing out of a shoot so much as she does when she shoots in her hometown....
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Producer: "Here's what I want you do do."
Chick: "Okay. And I get paid how much?"
Producer: "This amount...$$$" {For public knowledge, that's NOBODY's business!}
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That should answer your questions...along with I highly HIGHLY doubt there are any 'substances' involved provide or requested by him.
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1) A girl who worked for him told me she had been paid $ 1,400 US. He often pays more than agreed (a kind of bonus). So the girl is happy.

2) He focuses on girls from Eastern Europe. For these girls, $1,400 is the equivalent of five or six thousand dollars for a North American (power purchase parity). And they often have a more URGENT need of money that North Americans.

3) In addition, he uses the lure of travel (many scenes are shot in Hungary), the prestige of his fame, the chance to make love to a true sex-expert (himself) and the mirage to be known in the West (and therefore to earn a lot of extra money in the West), to convince the girls.

4) He also use psychological techniques. One of them is the balanced use of the carrot and stick: he is very nice (French charm) to the girls (especially outside of the screen) but he is also authoritarian.

5) Another psychological technique could be called psychotherapeutic handling. Everyone knows that women often fall in love with their psychotherapist. Woodman then uses this method: he asks them a lot of personal questions, especially about their sexuality, their expectations, about love, etc .. to create a psychological intimacy between girls and himself.

6) Screamings are often remade in post-production so that they are louder, a lot louder. Then just the girl opens her mouth or shout a bit during the shoot. The rest is done thereafter.

7) He insults the girls in French... and they do not understand. His French is dubbed in English thereafter.

8) This girl I knew told me she had had a good experience with Pierre Woodman: he was kind and gentle outside of the screen, that sex was good and she was well paid.


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...they go to shoot the scenes in another country and have not been paid yet.......... I am just saying that when the model goes to another country she does not have the option of bailing out of a shoot so much as she does when she shoots in her hometown....
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Fact: I once shared an elevator ride with Pierre Woodman at the Venetian and from getting to know him during those 30 seconds he was trapped with me in the same small space I can tell you that he gets these women via his reputation, skills with handling new recruits, his accent, and his chutzpah.
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These ordinary girls let him do absolutely everything to them including: anal (even if they never had that experience before), beat and insult them. Almost all videos seem like a long rape but the girls never ask to stop even if they don't feel comfortable.
For most of the videos that I have seen, I would not say that this is a "long rape". He almost always begins by giving girls a cunnilingus and they seem to appreciate it highly.

However, what you say is perfectly true for the casting with Gina Gerson.

2) But one thing that surprises me in his castings: many girls claim to be virgins. On the one hand, they seem to be real amateur: hesitant, timid and sincere. But on the other hand, Pierre Woodman doesn't have any difficulty to penetrate these virgins, they never seem to bleed, and they always have a lot of fun even if it's their first time. So I'm a little skeptical...
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7) He insults the girls in French... and they do not understand.
I am sure they get the gist of it.
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Was watching few WoodmanCastingX videos which left me with more questons than answers.

First of all, (an obviuos one) does anyone know how much he pays for a scene? I've googled that an off a lot and seen the same question being asked on his forum but all the answered I could find was "This question has been answered a lot of times already" but I could never find the original answer! Does anyone know?

Second, majority of his ladies are not porn actresses at the time of his interviews, but come to him as ordinary girls. These ordinary girls let him do absolutely everything to them including: anal (even if they never had that experience before), beat and insult them. Almost all videos seem like a long rape but the girls never ask to stop even if they don't feel comfortable. So I wonder if there are any psychological tricks or narcotics are being used? What do you think? I have intrest in psychology and I would really appreciete to learn something new.

Thirdly, all girls starring in those films scream and shout as loud as they can. All the time. WoodmanCastingX videos seem like amateur vids, but in reall life girls barely moan. Why do you think this is happening? Are they secretely told to always scream on film before the interview? Or they scream from the pain that they are getting? If they scream from the pain and they are hurt, why none of them ask to stop?
When did this board turn into not helping a bro out? So what if he's newbie. He asks some questions and it shouldn't be answered with a lot of speculation

I'm a producer. I've worked with many of the girls, agencies and Woodman himself.

1. There is more to this answered in question 2, but his starting costs are the same as everyone: €400 in the Europe and $1000 in the US. Plus 20% to the agent. He almost always asks for anal. Not all girls offer it so he starts offering them more and more. If he likes a girl a lot, he is willing to go as high as 5k, but this is extremely rare

2. He has a long, healthy relationship with the European agents because he's been shooting there for decades, so whenever they have a new girl, he's the first person they contact. The agents also know he's good for the money. Remember I said as much as $5k? Imagine 20% of that. The agents earn a lot so they are happy. He doesnt have these relationships with American agents thus he doesn't shoot as much there. So these girls are amateurs. Not virgins and not always whores (more on that another day). The agent is the woman in the room translating for him. They also meet outside before and after. He shows this in a few videos. They tell the girl what is going to be involved in broad terms (more in answer 3). There are no psych tricks and no drugs. It's just money, being nice, and having the agent with him almost the entire time. He treats the girls VERY well outside the camera. He doesn't offer them lavish trips or potential stardom. That part of his cachet is long gone. He's just nice and normal

3. Before the scenes, he tells the girls it may get a little rough and they should be as vocal as possible. Sometimes it gets rougher than the girl expected and you see that in some scenes. But the girls are told to "act". There is no post dubbing or ADR. Or track duping. That's just way too much work. He edits a lot of these vids himself.
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I'm a producer. I've worked with many of the girls, agencies and Woodman himself.
I'm interested too in this subject. Thank you to enlighten us! .

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So these girls are amateurs. Not virgins...
Then you agree that all these stories of " virgin girls" that we often see in his films are fake?


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There is no post dubbing or ADR. Or track duping.
I was just repeating what this girl I knew told me.

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I'm interested too in this subject. Thank you to enlighten us! .



Then you agree that all these stories of " virgin girls" that we often see in his films are fake?




I was just repeating what this girl I knew told me.

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Then you agree that all these stories of " virgin girls" that we often see in his films are fake?
Screen virgins, but not real virgins. Any kind of blood, and the payment services will come down on you hard. You can't hurt the girls in any way. That's why in the scenes where he goes a little too far, he has additional footage of them afterwards saying they are OK and everything is fine

Has he ever had sex with a virgin pornstar - yes, but the scenes were probably pulled, and its extremely rare. There's a whole bunch of other issues to deal with, and Pierre is not an asshole. He's not going to deflower a sweet, innocent girl with his rough handling. He respects a girl's first time
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I love WoodMan! Particularly to see Porn Stars, very young, just starting and getting it up the Ass. I think casting is one of best niches out there!
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Screen virgins, but not real virgins......

Thank you so much for all your information. I love to watch casting videos of Pierre Woodman and I had always wondered how things went exactly. ;)

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Thank you for your answers everyone! It's very interesting...

There was one Russian girl (Can't remember her name but I can find out) who was interviewed while she had her period. Now, let's face it that is almost impossibe for a woman to shoot during that time. She later stated that Woodman forced her to shoot by some "psychological trick" she assumes that he had put something in her coffee (or juice, I can't remember). There is another story that some Hungarian model stated on hungarian TV show that Woodman likewise, more than likely put something in her drink to make her accept to shoot the video.


Granted, these "models" are probably just pissed off on him that they never became real pornstars and after realising that they have been just used, decided to tell tales to justify themselves. But, I've seen that video with a Russian girl myself and indeed, she had a tampon on. This is why I think psychology does have to do with it.

Another point that backs this theory is that in few videos girls refuse to do the shooting but walk out of the room and agree when they come back. Or come back in few weeks or months.
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And about screams that are added during video editing, for some reason his models seem to scream more realistic than in any average porn. Especially when he bangs then hard and their voice changes fast too. Not just plane "aaaah" like in majority of films. This would take a big effort to add that sound and match the video. He also often insults not only in french, but also in the model's local language.
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I know two porn girls who recently did their first anal for Pierre, when he visited the US a few months ago, and they were quite happy with what they were paid.
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It's like doing a kink scene, you have rules and boundaries that are usually gone over beforehand and if the girl calls red (or whatever the safe word is, sometimes using a 'yellow', too) then things stop. No blood is a common rule, too..

Some girls like being beaten, degraded, etc. as long as there is an agreement to not go too far. Plus in this case money would probably help..

My gf always wants me to beat her, but it's all for fun and it always ends with cuddles..
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i only can say woodman pay more, much more than other studios for scenes.

thats how he work. years for years
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Eastern European girls, he gets them from agents and pays a premium for that. There's an interpreter there. What you're seeing is real sex, not the potted type most porn producers put out.
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Eastern European girls, he gets them from agents and pays a premium for that. There's an interpreter there. What you're seeing is real sex, not the potted type most porn producers put out.
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Old 09-13-2017, 07:14 AM   #41
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Eastern European girls, he gets them from agents and pays a premium for that. There's an interpreter there. What you're seeing is real sex, not the potted type most porn producers put out.
I'm not sure why there aren't more producers trying to make stuff like his. I know there are a lot of 'reality' and 'casting' sites but most of them are obviously fake and using porn actresses let alone whores.

Czech X Casting is another one with a very authentic feel. A lot of the models are obvious tattooed pros, but some of the girls appear to be everyday university students who are visibly nervous in front of the camera and occasionally even blush when the guy gets his dick out.

As long as the sex is 'real' and not an actress or a pro going through the motions, viewers will suspend their disbelief regarding the fake bit - that the girls thought they were only going to be doing glamour shoots etc.

And in this age of social media it can't be difficult to find real and attractive amateurs (never had sex for money on or off camera) who might be tempted to shoot a porn video, especially in Eastern Europe.
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Old 09-13-2017, 08:36 AM   #42
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I'm not sure why there aren't more producers trying to make stuff like his. I know there are a lot of 'reality' and 'casting' sites but most of them are obviously fake and using porn actresses let alone whores.

Czech X Casting is another one with a very authentic feel. A lot of the models are obvious tattooed pros, but some of the girls appear to be everyday university students who are visibly nervous in front of the camera and occasionally even blush when the guy gets his dick out.

As long as the sex is 'real' and not an actress or a pro going through the motions, viewers will suspend their disbelief regarding the fake bit - that the girls thought they were only going to be doing glamour shoots etc.

And in this age of social media it can't be difficult to find real and attractive amateurs (never had sex for money on or off camera) who might be tempted to shoot a porn video, especially in Eastern Europe.
well said, content like him is not so much. its a amateur real-time feeling.

you know his wake up and fuck? is also a good style
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Check "Czech wife swap" also real...
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He's not going to deflower a sweet, innocent girl with his rough handling. He respects a girl's first time

Oh that's so touching it made me cry..

Does he also tell them frankly that he won't marry them??
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Is this the same Pierre Woodman or no?

The Sexual Coercion Epidemic in Porn

"Lana Rhoades found herself in an awkward and very unprofessional situation. Using her social media platform, Rhoades tweeted about what—according to her—transpired: a veteran French porn director, Pierre Woodman, allegedly tried to coerce her into doing things she said no to. Her post also alleges that he admitted to violating another woman on his set."
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Paul, just curious, why did you bump this?
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Paul, just curious, why did you bump this?
Paul didn't bump this the new nic OneMillionGirls did
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Check "Czech wife swap" also real...
so i searched this keywords on pornhub, and the first 3 clips with the logo of Czech wife swap, was shooted with very well known porngirls in biz^^

nothing amateur, but dude its a very interesting content ;)


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...but not today ;) and not in this thread.
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...but not today ;) and not in this thread.
Yeah you were the first to bump this 2 year old thread yesterday. Congrats

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i only can say woodman pay more, much more than other studios for scenes.

thats how he work. years for years
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