Still so enthusiastic about Google Self-driving cars?

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Want to ask yourself how can a machine react on something as unpredictable as traffic (and the human aspect involved in it)?

Apparently this doesn't work so well.

Google reports self-driving car mistakes: 272 failures and 13 near misses | Technology | The Guardian

[dyna mo]

following traffic laws perfectly = more accidents. i guess they can tweak the algo........

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

following traffic laws perfectly = more accidents. i guess they can tweak the algo........

pretty much and a computer trying to predict what a women or any driver will do behind the wheel of other cars will never work out. The only way self driving cars will ever workout is if ALL cars are self driven but way too many people enjoy driving to give up that.

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by SBJ

pretty much and a computer trying to predict what a women or any driver will do behind the wheel of other cars will never work out. The only way self driving cars will ever workout is if ALL cars are self driven but way too many people enjoy driving to give up that.

This is correct. Asians and woman fuck everything up.
Get rid of both of them (and Muslims while you are at it.)


This is the happiest day of my life!

[muthisdev]

You know what scares me? BMW cars driving themselves.
Will they drive as douchey as their owners?

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

following traffic laws perfectly = more accidents. i guess they can tweak the algo........

Well I sure hope it'll be no Panda update

Originally Posted by SBJ

pretty much and a computer trying to predict what a women or any driver will do behind the wheel of other cars will never work out. The only way self driving cars will ever workout is if ALL cars are self driven but way too many people enjoy driving to give up that.

That's pretty much my view on this, unless you would dedicate something like a no trespass line just for the self driving cars alone, that's pretty much impossible though since this would be possible on multi line roads only, and all the lines need access to exits. It would also completely negate the convenience of using a car whenever and wherever you need to go.

Originally Posted by muthisdev

You know what scares me? BMW cars driving themselves.
Will they drive as douchey as their owners?

It's not necessarily BMW's around here that are the most problematic drivers.

I guess what distorts the view on BMW drivers is that it's a very frequent "spoiled brat driving a daddy's car" or "spoiled brat gift car".

Plus if they're older and in not so perfect condition they are already quite affordable for the ghetto like tuning wannabees, that's another problematic group.

[bronco67]

Do you ever see a car near you in traffic and have that sixth sense feeling that you need to watch out for this asshole? AI can't do that.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Google will probably track your driving trips and use that data somehow -- for local search results?

[Frank]

Im going to stick with the old-fashion steering wheel.

[2MuchMark]

The fact that we are talking about self-driving cars and will probably see them in the next year or so, is completely stunning to me. I never thought it would happen. Kudos to the engineers who are making this happen.

[woj]

zero accidents in 424,000 miles isn't half bad... not many human drivers would be able to beat that...

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Do you ever see a car near you in traffic and have that sixth sense feeling that you need to watch out for this asshole? AI can't do that.

I disagree.

You look at that fifteen year old Toyota Corolla with the dent and the spare tire being used and think "Gee, I'll need to watch him".

But your car with it's AI automatically accessed the car's entire history, knows every incident and accident it's been in, every ticket issued to a driver of that car and your car decided to re-route itself so that you are never on the same street of that car.... all without ever having seen it.

Makes you wonder huh?

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I disagree.

You look at that fifteen year old Toyota Corolla with the dent and the spare tire being used and think "Gee, I'll need to watch him".

But your car with it's AI automatically accessed the car's entire history, knows every incident and accident it's been in, every ticket issued to a driver of that car and your car decided to re-route itself so that you are never on the same street of that car.... all without ever having seen it.

Makes you wonder huh?

I'm talking more about the energy coming from the driver's movements and choices, not the condition or appearance of the car itself.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I disagree.

You look at that fifteen year old Toyota Corolla with the dent and the spare tire being used and think "Gee, I'll need to watch him".

But your car with it's AI automatically accessed the car's entire history, knows every incident and accident it's been in, every ticket issued to a driver of that car and your car decided to re-route itself so that you are never on the same street of that car.... all without ever having seen it.

Makes you wonder huh?

wait, so you think it's OK to release people's private info to the public, including every ticket issued to a driver so all other car reroute away from any car/driver with an infraction.

wow.


that doesn't make sense on any level.

[woj]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

wait, so you think it's OK to release people's private info to the public, including every ticket issued to a driver so all other car reroute away from any car/driver with an infraction.

wow.


that doesn't make sense on any level.

not release detailed information, but compile kinda a score similar to "credit score"... car insurance companies already have access to this information, so it's not exactly a secret... it would only be a minor stretch to make it 100% public... and then have self driving cars use extra caution when "high risk" drivers are around...

currently you can get a credit score on anyone and then decide if you want to do business with them...

so it wouldn't be that ridiculous to get a "driving score" from a driver ahead of you to decide how careful you need to be around them...

there are obviously some problems with this, but it's certainly conceivable that one day we could end up with a public "driving score"...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by woj

not release detailed information, but compile kinda a score similar to "credit score"... car insurance companies already have access to this information, so it's not exactly a secret... it would only be a minor stretch to make it 100% public... and then have self driving cars use extra caution when "high risk" drivers are around...

currently you can get a credit score on anyone and then decide if you want to do business with them...

so it wouldn't be that ridiculous to get a "driving score" from a driver ahead of you to decide how careful you need to be around them...

there are obviously some problems with this, but it's certainly conceivable that one day we could end up with a public "driving score"...

There are huge privacy and rights concerns to be sure but the silliest part of this is thinking a car can be rerouted away from all cars with infractions and matching infractions to the actual driver.

Gonna have face recognition and rerouted a million times ? That's an enormously silly idea basrd on profiling.

[woj]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

There are huge privacy and rights concerns to be sure but the silliest part of this is thinking a car can be rerouted away from all cars with infractions and matching infractions to the actual driver.

Gonna have face recognition and rerouted a million times ? That's an enormously silly idea basrd on profiling.

what's silly about avoiding high risk cars? you are driving on the highway and have 3 lanes to choose from... without any information, you would just pick a random lane... by knowing where "high risk" drivers are, you would position yourself in a lane furthest away from them... or you see "high risk" driver ahead of you, you then put 70ft of space between that car and you, instead of the default 50ft... etc...

as far as matching drivers, most obvious way is assuming car = driver... most(?) people have their own car, so it's reasonable assumption that would work 90% of the cases... it works quite well on the internet, companies do a pretty reasonable job of profiling you with very limited info, browser, ip, etc... so no reason why it wouldn't work in real world... wouldn't be perfect, but close enough...

also government wouldn't even need to provide any information... self driven cars could see themselves what cars with what license plates get pulled over or what cars are involved in an accident, etc...

there are ton of problems with all this, but it's far from a pipe dream, I wouldn't be shocked at all if it all plays out like this within our lifetimes...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by woj

what's silly about avoiding high risk cars? you are driving on the highway and have 3 lanes to choose from... without any information, you would just pick a random lane... by knowing where "high risk" drivers are, you would position yourself in a lane furthest away from them... or you see "high risk" driver ahead of you, you then put 70ft of space between that car and you, instead of the default 50ft... etc...

as far as matching drivers, most obvious way is assuming car = driver... most(?) people have their own car, so it's reasonable assumption that would work 90% of the cases... it works quite well on the internet, companies do a pretty reasonable job of profiling you with very limited info, browser, ip, etc... so no reason why it wouldn't work in real world... wouldn't be perfect, but close enough...

also government wouldn't even need to provide any information... self driven cars could see themselves what cars with what license plates get pulled over or what cars are involved in an accident, etc...

there are ton of problems with all this, but it's far from a pipe dream, I wouldn't be shocked at all if it all plays out like this within our lifetimes...

i already stated what's silly about it. you agree with rochard.

[dyna mo]

i can only imagine where all the cars would reroute to under your 3 lanes scenario. all the cars are going to reroute from each other to where exactly? the same spot furthest away from that one bad car. right. who gets to decide which car profiles as the one to most avoid? insurance company math guys? that's like letting psychologists decide who gets guns, another rochard gem of an idea.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by SBJ

pretty much and a computer trying to predict what a women or any driver will do behind the wheel of other cars will never work out. The only way self driving cars will ever workout is if ALL cars are self driven but way too many people enjoy driving to give up that.

Most people will be forced to give up driving themselves. As more self driving cars go on the road, insurance companies will make less money. This will drive the prices up for those not in self driving cars and will price most people out.

[dyna mo]

now that i think about it, using the rochard driving profiling index, i'd rack up as many moving violations as possible so i get the roads to myself. all y'all can reroute around me.

ahahahahaha.

[woj]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i can only imagine where all the cars would reroute to under your 3 lanes scenario. all the cars are going to reroute from each other to where exactly? the same spot furthest away from that one bad car. right. who gets to decide which car profiles as the one to most avoid? insurance company math guys? that's like letting psychologists decide who gets guns, another rochard gem of an idea.

I didn't mean "reroute" literally, but just in general use additional information about other drivers to make your trip safer/faster/better...

wouldn't you agree that having additional information about drivers around you could potentially make your trip safer/faster/better? Seems pretty obvious that by knowing more, you can only improve your driving experience...

it doesn't even matter who compiles this information, doesn't really even matter if it's 100% accurate.... for example: you look at weather report and see there is 30% chance of rain tomorrow, so you pack an umbrella to work just in case... no rain next day, no harm done...

same with drivers, driver ahead of you gets profiled as 30% risky, your car puts extra 5 feet space between you... if the algorithm turns out to be wrong, no harm done...

but if it's not wrong, the additional information it had and the action it took (5 extra feet of space) could potentially save your life...

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by **********

The fact that we are talking about self-driving cars and will probably see them in the next year or so, is completely stunning to me. I never thought it would happen. Kudos to the engineers who are making this happen.

I totally agree. I predict that within 5 years they will have worked out the bugs, and then the sales will start up. Another 5 years after that to prove to everyone that it really is safe, and then you will start to see them everywhere.

I love to drive, and drive fast, but when it comes to just getting around town to do errands, or sitting in traffic, this will be awesome!


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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by woj

I didn't mean "reroute" literally, but just in general use additional information about other drivers to make your trip safer/faster/better...

wouldn't you agree that having additional information about drivers around you could potentially make your trip safer/faster/better? Seems pretty obvious that by knowing more, you can only improve your driving experience...

it doesn't even matter who compiles this information, doesn't really even matter if it's 100% accurate.... for example: you look at weather report and see there is 30% chance of rain tomorrow, so you pack an umbrella to work just in case... no rain next day, no harm done...

same with drivers, driver ahead of you gets profiled as 30% risky, your car puts extra 5 feet space between you... if the algorithm turns out to be wrong, no harm done...

but if it's not wrong, the additional information it had and the action it took (5 extra feet of space) could potentially save your life...

my rule of thumb is if i agree with rochard, i am not thinking something through.

there's a reason we can't predict the weather accurately. we certainly can't base autonomous driving on imperfect predictions. bringing an umbrella is very much different from having cars play musical chairs with each other.

but just like the local weatherman sucks, so too will the guy who gets to decide who's the riskiest driver based on past tickets and dents.

my aunt is the shittiest driver on the planet and i literally cringe and look away when she's driving the car, but guess what, not 1 single ticket she's gotten. not 1 single accident. i'm going to be rerouted close to her but away from the guy with a door ding that got busted by a shithead cop for doing 56mph in a 55?

no thank you.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by woj

I didn't mean "reroute" literally, but just in general use additional information about other drivers to make your trip safer/faster/better...

wouldn't you agree that having additional information about drivers around you could potentially make your trip safer/faster/better? Seems pretty obvious that by knowing more, you can only improve your driving experience...

it doesn't even matter who compiles this information, doesn't really even matter if it's 100% accurate.... for example: you look at weather report and see there is 30% chance of rain tomorrow, so you pack an umbrella to work just in case... no rain next day, no harm done...

same with drivers, driver ahead of you gets profiled as 30% risky, your car puts extra 5 feet space between you... if the algorithm turns out to be wrong, no harm done...

but if it's not wrong, the additional information it had and the action it took (5 extra feet of space) could potentially save your life...

you've developed an intuition when driving right? it's not based entirely on visual clues or on knowing a person's driving history or the condition of the vehicle. it's based on a 6th sense, and you count on it to keep you safe and to get you to your destination.


the most important part of intuition is..........

no reasoning required.


a computer driving algo is based entirely on reasoning.

[ITraffic]

first all commercial vehicles because it is just cheaper not to have to employ people to drive.

then those who use a vehicle for monotonous commutes or daily work and errand driving which is the majority of civilian driving.

the last few hold outs will be looked at as outcast, backwards, antisocial weirdos who will eventually cave because people take clues on how to live, act and behave from signals from members of the pack that surround them and want group acceptance and inclusion.

[NickBaer]

I'm OK with the unmanned trams at airports, and the monorail in downtown Miami... but those run on rails.

[CDSmith]

Sometimes that guy's car that's all dented up is that way because of someone else's shitty driving.

Just saying.


Personally I'm on the fence about all this. Owning such a vehicle would basically mean your car is quite simply your own personal taxi. The term "my car" would no longer mean the same thing it does today.

Will it eliminate drunk driving fatalities/DUI's?