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Here we go.... Antigua needs more condoms.


I really don't see how it will work, but I guess what goes in Germany goes in the UK? *shudders*

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hard BDSM, ballbusting etc has also been banned from 1st December, many mistresses are having to remove content / outsource their editing etc. Just been reading up on it today.

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Any link to the actual law/bill?

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must suck to live in the UK

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Clueless fuckers, absolutely clueless! I feel sorry for producers in the UK now!

Kids don't pay, they'll get it for free on tubes or piracy forums/torrent sites before using their debit cards. I heard it is mainly affecting femdom/mistress and ballbusting type sites.
What kids actively go and search that shit out? It's insane.

I had a contingency against this as I could see it coming earlier this year. I did target my audience originally to Brits/Americans but now I film mainly in America and use mostly American girls and my US market share has gone up considerably and the British share down by the same margins. Sucks to be British, like you said, lol. Adapt or die as they say

Poor bastards and their stupid lazy Govt allowing this to happen! (it would appear they couldn't be bothered to regulate themselves so outsourced it to ATVOD and rubber stamped this earlier this month.)

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If we get another republican president it will only be a matter of time before this happens here. And should. From a fatherly standpoint.

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Can you provide a source for this? Can't find it...

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VPN won't work as I believe the age verification is for every surfer regardless of where they are in the world if its a Brit company website... I think!

TheSquealer

Haha.. funny how people in the adult industry get pissed at a law to prevent unrestricted access of minors to hardcore porn. You look exactly like the stereotypical scumbags that the world thinks you are. Congrats to the winners.

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I think it's the fact that it's ill conceived and all it will do is make it harder for webmasters to work from the UK - Kid's wont even notice it - They know exactly where to go for their fix of free porn...

The only people affected are us and legitimate surfers.....

It wasn't that long ago we where told we couldn't use cards for AV...

SmutHammer

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I talked to my 13 year old last week and found out he was looking at porn online. When I asked where he seen it. He would just do searches in google on his phone and click on images. He told me his friends on the bus showed him, and said to make sure he clears his browsing history every time.

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Yep but that's the intelligent way to think about it, you can't stop the bandwagoners

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Bullshit.

A simple header tag in the web site should be able to shut down any browser that does not have the age verification turned on.

MUCH EASIER AND BETTER SYSTEM. Put the parents in control.

Kids don't have the ability to pay for porn so there is no adult webmaster with half a brain that wants freeloading kids on their site (not even looking at the social implication).

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Been there, done that. Deemed an illegal law by the US Supreme Court.

Child Online Protection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TheSquealer

This is not my point at all. It doesn't matter who is affected or how. No one cares if you are somehow impeded in your efforts to view hardcore porn online. Do you think someone is going to fight for that? Do you think anyone in public office is going to be caught dead even taking those arguments seriously?

At the end of the day, the argument has ALWAYS been this (remember, this happened in the USA as well)....

Concerned parents and politicians: "Pornographers need to limit children's access to hardcore pornography and make small changes in their way of doing things to prevent this from happening in the same exact ways children are prevented from easy access to things like alcohol, adult magazines/videos, firearms, prescription drugs, cigarettes etc etc etc etc"

Those operating hardcore porn sites; "Too bad. Fuck you. Not my problem. You need to change your behavior". THAT is exactly whats expected from a stereotypical operator of a hardcore porn site. THAT response is why there is a problem to begin with and why bad solutions ultimately get forced on business people.

Who is going to win this argument in the end? I'd say its pretty damn obvious and just a matter of time.

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There is also a livejasmin whitelabel there: Cam1000.com
I understand the whitelabel is by an UK affiliate, but... the cam site (and the WHOIS of domain name) is not an UK company and not a BDSM site. This is an hungary/luembourg company, the whois shows Belize. Further, no one is naked there, all models stay clothed in livejasmin all the time, so perhaps one of the very few adult sites in the world of clothed nature.
Question: if UK bans 1 livejasmin whitelabel... they could ban whole livejasmin + whitelabels from uk? And all the other non-UK cam sites which usually show more in free chats?

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U.K. Imposes New Age-Verification Law - XBIZ.com

Online distributors of adult content in the U.K. will be forced to block R18 video-on-demand adult content before users are able to reach age-verified pay walls, according to a new law that targets content strength. The law is slated to go into effect Dec. 1.

Pete Johnson, who leads ATVOD as chief executive, told XBIZ on Monday that the new legislation defines "specially restricted material" in a manner that matches ATVOD’s current interpretation of the existing legislation.

"In other words the new legislation simply puts beyond doubt that U.K.-based providers of on-demand program services must keep R18 equivalent material out of reach of under 18s," he said. "As that was already ATVOD’s position, this aspect of the regulations is unlikely to result in a change to ATVOD’s investigatory practices.

"The new legislation also prohibits on a U.K. on-demand program service material equivalent to that which would be refused a classification by the BBFC. This is a new requirement and we will monitor the impact of enforcing this new rule on our workload over the coming months.

"Neither aspect of the legislation affects the range of websites subject to regulation by ATVOD: The definition of an on-demand program service remains unchanged."

The U.K. government’s Department of Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) brought the legislative proposal to Parliament on Nov. 6, where it was approved. The law makes it a criminal offense for violators under Section 368E of the 2003 Communications Act relative to "harmful matter."

News of the "Audiovisual Media Services Regulations 2014" coming into law in the U.K. was first noted by XBIZ.net blogger Ben Yates.

The law forces online companies to prohibit material classified as the equivalent of R18 classification prior to the pay wall unless users have been verified as to age typically through credit cards. R18 under the U.K. film classification system is classified as a video work "to be supplied other than in a licensed sex shop."

Communications regulator OFCOM, which receives complaints from on-demand authority ATVOD over existing laws relative to age-verification over online adult content, will be the authoritative agency governing the new statutory instrument, No. 2916.

Several companies, including Veridu and VeriMe, which have jumped on the scene and have launched new products to provide age-verification solutions online and through mobile for adult content, stand to capitalize on the new law.

The new law applies only to U.K. sites, but government sources several months ago from within the DCMS said the plans would inevitably “starve” any Internet company trying to make money in the U.K. If that were the case, foreign adult tube sites would be the hardest hit.

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So am I understanding this correctly?

ATVOD have now made it so failing to meet their "code" will not just end up in a fine, but instead criminal proceedings?

Surely there can't be any companies who have not moved their "EDITORIAL CONTROL" outside of the UK left? Most paysites I know of simply partnered with companies state side to run their sites while they carried on producing?

Please correct me if I am wrong here..

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Same as the US and gambling sites no?
Can you legally bet online in the US, or run gambling sites?

footmonkey

Sorry for the stupid question but...

Which kind of websites are targeted here?

Is it purely free tubes or sites with free videos? They want those kind of sites to have age verification pre-credit card (if any)?

Or, is it all porn sites and blogs, i.e. those just containing still photos in the free area?

DAMNMAN

From a fatherly standpoint. I don't allow my son 13 to go on the Internet unsupervised. He doesn't have a phone where he has access to the net.


"Parents shouldn't allow their children under the age of 18 unfettered access to the Internet. There is content of an adult nature including death and perversion"
Adults have the right to view things that children do not, so....... making adults adhere to standards of children is censorship disguised as child protection!!!!

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Pay sites with movies. ATVOD - authority of television on demand.

Any film footage with payment. So free porn's ok to show to under 18's, like what!

Oh, and just to really make this all unclear, the internet isn't television, so why's ATVOD controlling the net?

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because no one has challenged them yet?

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Thanks for the comment.

I had a NATS program with 3 sites back in 2011/12 ....when I was in the UK! ATVOD bombarded me with letters. I closed me sites, told them to fuck off and Id rather die in a ditch that comply to their bullshit....Fucking scum.

Times have moved on.. I just hope other UK companies have found ways to work around this shit heal, bottom of humanity scum fuck organisation that is NOT lawful... Not lawful at all.. .... I found a way... I would be happy to help anyone else looking for help, advice or legal contacts.

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I repeat: they banned a livejasmin white label. Just because part of sites of an UK company, they ban a non UK non movies site.

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no they didn't. its just one name on a list they WANT to chase after. they often list sites well out of their range, such as picture TGPs. ATVOD is nothing but a protection racket.

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I think the counter argument is more like:

why do marlboro have to make it hard to have their cigarettes bought by kids, but camel can hand out their cigarettes out for free at the school gate.

Why do smirnoff have to have their vodka sold only in off licences, but jack daniels can have their product given away for free to kids in the local toys-r-us

etc

or more precisely: chain store #1 needs to ask for verification to sell alcohol, but chain store #2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 can give alcohol away for free to minors because they get paid per 1000 visitors to the store, regardless of whether anyone buys anything.

blogsy

ATVOD are acting way outside of their remit. The Audiovisual Media regulations come from an EU directive which is not about protecting minors but more about ensuring a level playing field between mainstream TV and online "TV like" services.

The UK has gold plated this directive and turned it into a censorship exercise.

ATVOD & OFCOM haven't let a challenge to this go to Judicial Review. In the The Urban Chick Supremacy Cell case, which was backed by some serious legal people (funded by backlash) and on a pathway for Judicial Review, Ofcom overturned ATVODS ruling that the site was an ODPS, thereby avoiding the process which in all likelihood would be a disaster for them.

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The new regulations / rules apply to "TV like" services. If you are in the UK and ATVOD label your content TV like and attempt to heard you into their "notified services", I suggest you do not respond and seek immediate legal advice. There are some excellent people out there ready to help and very eager to test ATVODS & OFCOM's remit through Judicial Review.... which of course, ATVOD & OFCOM are equally desperate to avoid.

naughtylaura

I agree with their rule 11 which is stopping hardcore content being outside the members areas, and not accepting debit card and paypal as age isn't verified but I don't think attacking uk paysites is going to make a big difference. Kids will just hit up the tubes for free porn!

shoot twice

Perhaps it's a failure on my part to understand the problem. But I would imagine that anyone involved in the production of porn would be supportive of these rules.

Would it be too much to ask that someone explain to me the problem with age verification?

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You sir have a smart son! If only my son knew how to clear his browser history!

SmutHammer

There is a big blue link in plain view that says "clear history" when you search on google. I never noticed until he showed me.

NewNick

The problem is that it only applies to UK companies when online porn is a global marketplace for the consumer.

So the UK adult company is put at an enormous disadvantage and their business is no longer viable.

The UK surfer, of any age, still has unlimited access to wall to wall free porn.

So any chance of really helping to clean up what is available to minors, or what questionable sexual practises are being shown on tubes, the opportunity is lost as UK producers cease to be, and unregulated offshore porn continues without hindrance.

The legislation does absolutely nothing to "protect the kids", and is a political shot in the arm for an unpopular government.

Personally I would welcome proper AV, free unregulated porn does nothing for the business, and I dont think it is healthy for Mindgeek to be delivering our kids sex education. But this law is pointless because it only applies to a tiny minority of sites and companies leaving the rest to go about their business as normal.

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shoot twice

Thank you very much for the response.

I can see where having your hands tied while someone else gets to do whatever they want would be a real piss off.

I have my own opinions about the Internet and porn. I've seen in my career where I used to work at least every day to a situation where I stopped counting on the industry to pay my bills. So I tend to see age verification as being generally a good thing.

Therefore I hope for all of you blokes that if this law is going to be passed then hopefully it's just a first step and they quickly "censor" (block) the non-UK porn sites too.

I've read the UK's Obscene Publications Act and Criminal Justice and Public Order Act. What I'm curious to know is how do porn sites that have no age verification and zero paperwork on the performers manage to stay online without being busted. I'm not no attorney but every looks to me like these goons are breaking the law

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