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Old 03-26-2014, 03:48 AM   #51
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Not kissing ass, as I have zero reason too, but I was gonna post 'good luck' - But decided not too...

Why? Cause you dont need 'Luck'... Whoever parters with Shap will no doubt suffer extreme success, and likewise, Shap will succeed again, even if its just on his own two feet...

Thanks man. That's a really awesome post and really appreciate it!
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Old 03-26-2014, 03:51 AM   #52
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The emails I've received cover a wide range. From big sites to smaller sites to guys with domains to guys with an idea to guys who just want to be a part of something. I just want to say thank you to every person that emails. I will get back to each of you. It may not be right away but I will reply.

I love when people swing for the fences. You never know what's going to happen. And a lot of people that emailed are swinging. I love that. So much respect to each of you
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Old 03-26-2014, 03:53 AM   #53
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The emails I've received cover a wide range. From big sites to smaller sites to guys with domains to guys with an idea to guys who just want to be a part of something. I just want to say thank you to every person that emails. I will get back to each of you. It may not be right away but I will reply.

I love when people swing for the fences. You never know what's going to happen. And a lot of people that emailed are swinging. I love that. So much respect to each of you
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:53 AM   #54
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Here's a thought.

You have knowledge and lots of it.

Teach that knowledge and become a mentor/partner in multiple "companies"

Your knowledge to someone relatively new would be priceless so to speak.

Leave a legacy bigger than the one you already have.
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Old 03-26-2014, 06:09 AM   #56
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I’m considering getting back in adult by either partnering up with a company, acquiring a company, or acquiring a stake in a company. If you, or anyone you know, may be interested please email me at pornshap at gmail dot com.

That’s the cliff notes version. Now some details.

I’ve spent the last few months thinking about what I am going to do next. Do I go mainstream and start something new? Do I join a startup or two and help them grow? Do I buy a mainstream company and try to crush it? I’m not sure which direction I want to go. What I do know is the adult biz and i know how to make money. So I thought before I make a decision on my future that I’d see what is available in adult and see if there is a good fit for me.

What am I looking for?
I’m not looking for someone to pay me I’m looking for someone to make money with. It doesn’t matter what niche (gay or straight) or what area (billing, pay sites, tubes, cams, dating) I believe I can contribute in all of them. What matters is finding someone that I believe has a good product/business and more importantly someone that I think would benefit from what I can offer.

Anyhow I think that’s long enough of a post. If you have any questions feel free to ask and bump this thread for me. Also, feel free to spread the word and pass this along. If you play match maker and pass this along to someone that turns out to be the perfect fit I will be sure to find a very appropriate way to thank you

Any of you that are interested email me at pornshap at gmail dot com
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we will reengineer the strap on harness and call them Shapons. We will take it public in three years or get facebook to buy us. Best of Luck!
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Great question and I hope I can answer it without coming across like a douche bag. If I do please by all means let me know.

The truth is I've built a company from the ground up already. I've done that grind. When I did it it was worth every hour I spent doing it. I had no money, i was young and the time was right. I'm not interested in working 16 hours a day by myself to build up a new business.

Not too long ago I heard an interview with Rob from FTV where he was mentioning that this may be his last year. I know how he feels. I felt the same way the last few years before I sold. After 15 years the grind of running a business had worn me down. I needed a break. I know others feel that way too. Listening to him got me thinking an ideal situation may be partnering up with someone in that position that needs a break but wants their business well looked after and maybe even grown.

I have really enjoyed myself the past 3 years. Not working and enjoying life and enjoying my family has been great. To get me back in the ring will take a really unique opportunity. It makes no sense for me to start busting my ass for a few extra dollars a month. If I'm going to do anything it has to be big. Not only in terms of the money but the challenge and fun of it. My gut tells me somewhere out in the industry the right opportunity is there. We shall see
Shap what you've just posted sounds like FTV could be the perfect fit for you, it might be an idea to have a chat with Rob from FTV

I'm sure you'll be able to cherry pick from a bunch of great offers.

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thought ya had a temp biz model in mind. y dont ya post what u wanna do ???? - cant c u sittin in the back givin a company reign 2 your hard earned resources n reputation. u aint gonna let that happen.

do something with gunner/m60 machine gunner , hes got the reputation , powerlifter , lookin 4work , jus tell em 2 watch the fake ids. wheres kim from atk ???? ernesto , ppl from the nasty group ???? dean capture ???? ur old twistys crew , common man u got contacts n resources.
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Interesting response. First time I've had a thread where I get more emails than replies. Interesting stuff so far.

Just as a disclaimer. Anything discussed by email will be confidential. I won't ever mention any names of who emailed me. All discussions are private.
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:34 AM   #63
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yo shap , ya still livin the dream with the balloons
funny that dude let ya put his .com in ur sig

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yo shap , ya still livin the dream with the balloons
funny that dude let ya put his .com in ur sig
Shhh that's my email for close friends ;)
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Shhh that's my email for close friends ;)
ya had 88 in ur sig 4awhile. gonna say , wadda ya doin switchin emails thats a good domain name 4ya , pornshap.com , .net , .org.
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Old 03-26-2014, 08:22 AM   #67
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Damn Shap,

Your offer makes me salivate at the possibilities....
Damned tempted to fire you off an email!
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A great example is Porn Nerd. He busts his ass. He's a one man show and is doing his best to make money. He does a great job imo. He's honest and hard working. I could give him ideas all day long but he can't implement them. How do you work that situation out?
First, thank you for the kind words Shap.

A single person could not implement whatever advice you would give because of the reasons you mentioned. But you started this thread seeking investment opportunities, not giving advice opportunities. So if you gave me advice like "Hire 3 people to do X,Y & Z" or "Go shoot 20 scenes like this..." and it was JUST advice then yes, it would be difficult to implement your suggestions. But if you backed up those suggestions with an actual investment then absolutely a single person could grow their business, and incredibly quickly, too.

BTW: I have 5 full-time (outsourced) employees and 2 part-timers. I wouldn't be able to do this level of volume, sales and revenue if I did everything by myself.
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hey Shap, I'm doing great Thank you. Email sent
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Shap, good to hear.

Not sure I have a current email for you.

Hit me up if you are looking to acquire something.

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mainstream= unlimited money
adult= limited ceiling ( no billionaires in porn, very few 8 figures, maybe 1 or two 9 figures...maybe)
but there's no reason to not have a piece of a few things. Buying in at small seed money and watching the company grow to possibly explode.
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There's your idea right there Shap, start the adult version of Shark Tank...
That's always an option. In order to do that though I believe I'd have to set up little workforce that could implement the necessary tasks that need to be carried out to get the companies on the right track. The question then becomes will companies/people be willing to pay for that work to be carried out and then subsequently pay a portion towards being provided this knowledge (be it % or something else). One thing I know about this industry is that people always want help but aren't always ready to pay for it.
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thought ya had a temp biz model in mind. y dont ya post what u wanna do ???? - cant c u sittin in the back givin a company reign 2 your hard earned resources n reputation. u aint gonna let that happen.

do something with gunner/m60 machine gunner , hes got the reputation , powerlifter , lookin 4work , jus tell em 2 watch the fake ids. wheres kim from atk ???? ernesto , ppl from the nasty group ???? dean capture ???? ur old twistys crew , common man u got contacts n resources.
Sure I could build another Twistys, Michael as well, especially with Shap's help and it would run smoothly but Shap himself said he doesn't want to get into a start up situation if he can avoid it which of course is what that would be. Similar with everyone else mentioned, starting from scratch requires a cash outlay with no guarantee of return and definitely no return for months or even a year or more.

Shap has capital and with that dishing money out of pocket knowing he's going to be pulling in $X per month from it is more what he seems to be looking for... I would guess.
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Sure I could build another Twistys, Michael as well, especially with Shap's help and it would run smoothly but Shap himself said he doesn't want to get into a start up situation if he can avoid it which of course is what that would be. Similar with everyone else mentioned, starting from scratch requires a cash outlay with no guarantee of return and definitely no return for months or even a year or more.

Shap has capital and with that dishing money out of pocket knowing he's going to be pulling in $X per month from it is more what he seems to be looking for... I would guess.
I agree 100%. As the saying goes we could get the band back together pretty quickly. That said there's no point in doing something half assed. If you start a paysite from scratch you start it and you fuckin kill it. Just like JT did. He had the money went balls to the wall and smashed it. That's the way to do it. To do it that way you need to really throw down the money at the beginning and get everything in place properly. It wouldn't be cheap. It wouldn't even be guaranteed. It would be a big ass job. If I were to make that type of investment, both financially and physically, I'd want it to be something else. I couldn't go through the start up phase of a paysite company again. It's a bitch. For that level of investment I'd rather try my hand at mainstream and fail horribly but have something to say I did in mainstream.


Another thing I'm not interested in is running a company from the get go and being responsible for all the paperwork, the legal, the accounting, basically the core infrastructure. Not many people realize just how much paperwork we had at Twistys. I think it was an entire truckload just of 2257 papers. Absolute insanity.

To get back into adult I have to find something fun. Everything above is not fun.


I think the best way to put is probably the way my wife has described the idea of having another child. She'd love to snap her fingers and have a 7 year old but doesn't have the energy or desire to go through pregnancy and baby phase again.

You get to a certain age or certain point in life where the pregnancy and baby phase is something you've gladly done and enjoyed but have no desire to do it again. That's how I feel.
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Btw my secret is tennis I don't run or jog. I just play tennis daily and a few workouts here and there and chase after the kids. The result is double the activity you do
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Sounds like you want to be a corporate stepfather. Make a VC site offering to stepfather companies that are beyond the point of incubation. StepFarther.com ;)

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The better question for you Shap is: what did you ENJOY doing before and want to do again? If the answer is 'nothing' then you're looking for something else in adult to do, and you know very well what those opportunities may be:

1. cams
2. dating
3. hosting, traffic, ad spots (infrastructure/B2B)

Anything else you said you wouldn't want to do (shoot content, build a tube, run a paysite) or basically anything you did before and exceled at. So it sounds like you want something NEW but then ask yourself this: does the experience you had before with building/running Twistys/Sextube translate into something you've never done before? If not then what are the chances of succeeding with whatever it is you try that's "new"?

In today's Adult climate there are very few options for million dollar ideas. It seems to me that you could do what you said JT did well - and then only participate in those aspects that you enjoy. The #1 problem you are going to have - and this is true of anyone who's a "self-made man" like you are - is switching to an Investor. Your instincts will be to run everything (even tho you said you don't want to do that). To avoid this pitfall the common wisdom is to invest in several projects at once (3-5), this way you cannot 'control' everything but merely invest and lend expertise when needed.

Good luck with whatever you choose but try investing in some smaller projects first before going full-in with someone whose idea may cost six figures or more.
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To be honest I have thought about that. As my posts probably indicate I like helping people. My thinking was to first look to see if there was a bigger opportunity available.

How would you set up a mentor/partnering service? What is the compensation? What is expected in return? What are the terms?

As an example let's say you and I work together. I can come up with a list of 10 things right off the bat that would change your business for the better. Whether you have thought about them or not doesn't matter what's more important is your ability to implement them. Can you? The reality of most smaller operations is they don't have the ability to implement the changes necessary to make strides towards growing. A great example is Porn Nerd. He busts his ass. He's a one man show and is doing his best to make money. He does a great job imo. He's honest and hard working. I could give him ideas all day long but he can't implement them. How do you work that situation out?
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As for consulting.... the total number of people that NEED help is always huge. The total number of those within that group which CAN be helped will be always astonishingly small. My view is that most people that are failing, are failing because of their personality, not a lack of information or expertise.

If you laid out a clear business plan to go from zero to $100,000 a month based on a proven formula/system that's been done a 1000 times with similar results, next to no one can or will follow it and see those same results. Their personalities will take over... They will pick and choose what they like and don't like for whatever reason, they ultimately do things their own way, fail and then blame the system/plan and the "stupid asshole" that gave it to them.
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Would you take in consideration an offshore proposition ?
Are you also looking to invest $$$ in case theres a good idea ?
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Would you take in consideration an offshore proposition ?
Are you also looking to invest $$$ in case theres a good idea ?
Both are possible
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Another thing I'm not interested in is running a company from the get go and being responsible for all the paperwork, the legal, the accounting, basically the core infrastructure. Not many people realize just how much paperwork we had at Twistys. I think it was an entire truckload just of 2257 papers. Absolute insanity.
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This is classic! Love it! Thanks.

Btw I spent the past 3 months working on that. It was a no go not for sale.
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Btw I spent the past 3 months working on that. It was a no go not for sale.

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homegrown shap?

Ok, just for the sake of discussion, say a company of our size, with the brand loyalty we possess, the sales channels we are in on and offline, the acumen we have developed from years of experience, and the resources we sit on in terms of content, personnel, etc., our longevity, mainstream press accolades, etc., stepped up here, would that be worth consideration?

I get the feeling that you would be way more interested in something that harnesses mutually compatible skills and resources, not just shelling out to make someone else a ton of cash while you assume a ton of risk.

I come from the standpoint where parties that are equal and self sufficient form much better relationships than deals where one side assumes all the work or pays all the burdens unequally.

Thoughts?

Just for the record, I am not fishing for a deal, but I am always open to discussion so use this post as a vehicle to provide more feedback and insight into what you are looking for.
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