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Old 02-26-2011, 04:24 AM   #151
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clarify - your shoots are solo masturbation videos plus pics and you say '3' is the total of scenes - in an earlier post you made it sound like each of these '3' scenes would have 3 different wardrobe changes and background changes. that does total 9 unique videos per girl.

why don't you just say you want 9 solo mast videos with different clothes and background in each?

3K is decent for that but 9 masturbation videos with the same girl is dumb.
No, you misunderstood. I should have said one shoot, 3 scenes. So one girl, 3 masturbation scenes which are easy to shoot in one day. Usually we only do one shoot with a girl per day, SAF is the only exception.
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Paul,

This is one TEST shoot, you have to calculate your extra cost over a longer period. As I said, the 2000 is what we budget for the shoot itself for CONTRACT shooters! That is why I was ok with giving you 3000. If you did a good job and our members would have liked it, I would have offered you a 10-20 shoots per month contract.
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No, you misunderstood. I should have said one shoot, 3 scenes. So one girl, 3 masturbation scenes which are easy to shoot in one day. Usually we only do one shoot with a girl per day, SAF is the only exception.
So you lied. We were never, ever and in no way, talking about 1 shoot. We were talking about 1 scene. Who changed your orders.

Actually to be fair to Manwin, paying $2,000 for 3 scenes is better than this part of the industries norm. Prices for the 10 years have been around $300 to $500 per scene.

And all you who were here then were happy to suck it up.

We were not and only did it a few times, ATK was one. Then realised with our skills we could earn more shooting 1 scene.

But so many here flaming me were happy to suck it up.

Today they use the TODAY excuse. What excuse do they use for YESTERDAY?

But all you great shooters with great equipment and great girls. We were better off you staying out of the other markets. If you had come into it and been good. You would of fucked it for us.

As Stefan says I AM VERY thankful we had those days.
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This is one TEST shoot, you have to calculate your extra cost over a longer period. As I said, the 2000 is what we budget for the shoot itself for CONTRACT shooters! That is why I was ok with giving you 3000. If you did a good job and our members would have liked it, I would have offered you a 10-20 shoots per month contract.
And I would of turned you down flat.

Why because the profit margin on $2,000 is so low it's barely worth being in this industry as a shooter. 3 or more years ago making $2,000 for one set, no video, was easy for us. Obviously others found it hard.

I reviewed the content in Brazzers and to me it's obvious it's shot on a too low budget. Not what anyone will shoot it for, based on what it costs to shoot something properly with real appeal.

Today that approach has led to 1,000 of sites with similar content of average to low porn quality and very little personality and uniqueness. The surfer can find similar scenes to Brazzers on any Tube site.

Once you factor that in the only reason who has to buy is resolution. Against that is paying, recurring, risk of getting ripped off and risk the tour is the best part of the site.

Plus you compete with 1,000s of other sites. All making sign ups harder to get.

Why did some pay us shooters so much money when obviously guys like Dave would suck up to them to shoot for far far less?

The answer is so simple. They did it to keep out every Ma and Pa operation making their business tougher. They raised the bar on what their customers expected from them. Do you think Vivid, Wicked, Evil Angel, Anabolic and the good magazines paid shooters this money because they loved us?

No they did it because it made business sense to them. The Adult Internet thought it made business sense to pay peanuts for content and now 1,000s of sites compete with yours for the few customers left.

And lastly. $700 for a scene is less than we make on the content store for a set and a video. It's not about making you money, it's about making me money. You don't care if you fuck us and I don't care if I fuck you. That's business.

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Paul, SAF is the only solo site we have, and because of the type of content, we split 1 scene into 3. All our other sites are shoots in multiple rooms/sets also... Since our contract producers are used to this it was obvious to shoot the content on 3 sets and cut it up into 3 parts, easy.

Mofos Worldwide... Hardcore b/g amateur content... We pay 4500. If the talent is very good we can go up on that price... Again, this is for contract shooters...

But you know what... I will just make an exception because I want to see it. 3000, one solo set for SAF. We will likely not use the scene on the site, since members will want to see the girl again... But who cares... 3000 it is. No idea why you think you need to see a sample scene, the tour has trailers, that should be enough. I will get you in contact with the content team on Monday... They will get you a script and the rest of the info you need, contracts and such...

I will post updates here.
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Paul, I know a couple of shooters near you, I will ask if you can dry-hire their kit.

Then you have no excuse at all.
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Paul, SAF is the only solo site we have, and because of the type of content, we split 1 scene into 3. All our other sites are shoots in multiple rooms/sets also... Since our contract producers are used to this it was obvious to shoot the content on 3 sets and cut it up into 3 parts, easy.

Mofos Worldwide... Hardcore b/g amateur content... We pay 4500. If the talent is very good we can go up on that price... Again, this is for contract shooters...

But you know what... I will just make an exception because I want to see it. 3000, one solo set for SAF. We will likely not use the scene on the site, since members will want to see the girl again... But who cares... 3000 it is. No idea why you think you need to see a sample scene, the tour has trailers, that should be enough. I will get you in contact with the content team on Monday... They will get you a script and the rest of the info you need, contracts and such...

I will post updates here.
Why you bothering, he will just make a new excuse, he is a broke ass old bum who lives in the third world, doesn't even have his own bank account or credit card or cash card.

Seriously, why would anyone take this old bum serious. Everyone knows he's broke, stupid and bitter, when everyone else was making a fortune he was making a few dollars selling shit no one wants to buy any more.

That has made him as bitter as hell, seriously bitter, every post is him crying to make a few bucks like he use to.

He is guaranteed to make another stupid excuse why he cant shoot this scene, it is what he does, ignore the truth of why he is broke. It is every one else's fault but his.

It is the tubes, its torrents, its the fact shooters sites pay enough blah blah blah

Fact is he has been around since before Noah started humping sheep two at a time and he is still broke, dumb as a brick, clueless and bitter

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I want to see if he will find another excuse or not... So let's wait..
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Paul, SAF is the only solo site we have, and because of the type of content, we split 1 scene into 3. All our other sites are shoots in multiple rooms/sets also... Since our contract producers are used to this it was obvious to shoot the content on 3 sets and cut it up into 3 parts, easy.

Mofos Worldwide... Hardcore b/g amateur content... We pay 4500. If the talent is very good we can go up on that price... Again, this is for contract shooters...

But you know what... I will just make an exception because I want to see it. 3000, one solo set for SAF. We will likely not use the scene on the site, since members will want to see the girl again... But who cares... 3000 it is. No idea why you think you need to see a sample scene, the tour has trailers, that should be enough. I will get you in contact with the content team on Monday... They will get you a script and the rest of the info you need, contracts and such...

I will post updates here.
Cool get them to contact me now you've changed your mind.

1 scene, 1 girl, 1 setting, 1 clothing/strip/masturbate.

1 set of 300 images and 1 20 minute video. Or do you want me to stretch it out like the content on Brazzers to 30 minutes so it gets boring? 1 girl doing 30 minutes is going to get very boring IMO.

Get your guys to contact me and we will go from there, will need to see a script. Obviously if you want me to shoot it similar to your site's content a view of the site would be best, samples can be confusing.

Actually checking out http://www.shesafreak.com/tour/home/ I don't see any samples. All links go to the join page. Am I looking in the wrong place or aren't you familiar with the site?

Can't shoot this till after we get back from the UK. Maybe we can, we fly on the 11th. If not will do it afterwards. No need to wire me the money until I say it's all in place and ready to go.

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Then you have no excuse at all.
I've made no excuses so far in this thread. Other than not shooting for shit money. My original offer was like we used to shoot. So probably could shoot it on our existing kit. But will ask a few friends in the business to team up with me and be my assistants.
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Paul,

Check mofos.com and click one of the shesafreak videos, it should give you a trailer.

Shoot as much as you can. We will edit it to around 30 minutes.. We will gimve you a Script, it will have some kind of story most likely in the beginning
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Why you bothering, he will just make a new excuse, he is a broke ass old bum who lives in the third world, doesn't even have his own bank account or credit card or cash card.

Seriously, why would anyone take this old bum serious. Everyone knows he's broke, stupid and bitter, when everyone else was making a fortune he was making a few dollars selling shit no one wants to buy any more.

That has made him as bitter as hell, seriously bitter, every post is him crying to make a few bucks like he use to.

He is guaranteed to make another stupid excuse why he cant shoot this scene, it is what he does, ignore the truth of why he is broke. It is every one else's fault but his.

It is the tubes, its torrents, its the fact shooters sites pay enough blah blah blah

Fact is he has been around since before Noah started humping sheep two at a time and he is still broke, dumb as a brick, clueless and bitter

Well it seems I'm now $2000 better off. $1,000 for costs.

Yes while all the other shooters were making a fortune shooting for $500 a set we were shooting for $3,000. We're really stupid. We could of been so much better off shooting for shit money.

No sure how it works but I'll believe someone who had fuck all but a flame in his sig and I've no fucking idea who he is.

Anyone got an idea what a front cover was worth, on top of the set money, back in the day when everyone else was making a fortune?






I'll give you a clue. Non exclusive more than ATK paid for exclusive and that was just the cover. Shit I'm so broke. LOL
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Or a DVD. Just a few of the ones we sold, never got the covers of most.








I'll give you a clue. Non exclusive more than ATK paid for exclusive and we can still sell the content over and over on the stores and to mags.

To be really honest we could never work out why custom shooters went to shooting for others and lost their work. Keeping it and selling it over and over again was so much more profitable.
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Check mofos.com and click one of the shesafreak videos, it should give you a trailer.

Shoot as much as you can. We will edit it to around 30 minutes.. We will gimve you a Script, it will have some kind of story most likely in the beginning
That's actually quite good stuff. For $700 we would still stick to shooting what we shot. For $3,000 you've got a scene unless the script is too complicated or it's unable to be done in CZ. See lots of outdoor blue skies, freezing here at the moment.
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Cool get them to contact me now you've changed your mind.
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Or do you want me to stretch it out like the content on Brazzers to 30 minutes so it gets boring? 1 girl doing 30 minutes is going to get very boring IMO.
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Am I looking in the wrong place or aren't you familiar with the site?
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Can't shoot this till after we get back from the UK. Maybe we can, we fly on the 11th. If not will do it afterwards. No need to wire me the money until I say it's all in place and ready to go.
what kind of fucking asshole talks to a potential client like this??
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what kind of fucking asshole talks to a potential client like this??
The kind of asshole that does everything in his power to make sure that he's NOT hired for the job.
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what kind of fucking asshole talks to a potential client like this??
An honest one.

30 minutes solo girl can get boring.

IMO the scenes on Brazzers are stretched out and I've told Fabian that.

I was sent to the wrong place.

And again being honest, want the right set up and can't just suddenly jump up and take off shooting like we used to.

Anyway I doubt if Fabian and I will ever be walking off into the sunset hand in hand.

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The kind of asshole that does everything in his power to make sure that he's NOT hired for the job.
Too late this asshole HAS been hired.

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Too late this asshole HAS been hired.
you should show respect for someone giving you that kind of cash. especially someone much richer and more powerful. but i guess u are better than all of us.

fyi to all - Paul has been flooding other boards today as he is getting no love on gfy. repulses me to see this p.o.s. giving advice.
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what kind of fucking asshole talks to a potential client like this??
the kind that needs to spam gfy to sell 19 HD videos for 150 bucks
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you should show respect for someone giving you that kind of cash. especially someone much richer and more powerful. but i guess u are better than all of us.

fyi to all - Paul has been flooding other boards today as he is getting no love on gfy. repulses me to see this piece of shit giving advice.
Giving a client advice is best. Being honest about when I can shoot is best. And I was sent to the wrong place. Maybe you kiss ass, I don't and never will.

I posted a few times on Sponsor Chat today. Flooding, more like a tinkle.

This piece of broke shit has made a nice living for the last 2.5 years without doing any shooting or much work. Eva sends a few emails every month to content store customers and affiliates. And will continue to. Most of other shooters only, wouldn't last that long. Mainly because they give everything or nearly everything away. Not bad for a piece of shit.

This piece of shit has never called you or anyone else anything like that. You show no respect.

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You show no respect.
after this thread i never will again. i'm sure i'm not alone..
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the kind that needs to spam gfy to sell 19 HD videos for 150 bucks
Marketing advice. Spamming Special Offers makes money. That might fly over your head as it's above your pay grade but here's some more.

Shooting a video of yourself and your drunken mate while looking like 2 broke bums. In a place that shows you're broke.

Isn't good self marketing.

Doing it, how many times is it now, is positively bad marketing.

Try spamming a special offer to buy a decent sofa.

And lastly your income would dry up after a few weeks if you stopped working.
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after this thread i never will again. i'm sure i'm not alone..
Your respect doesn't pay my bills. Neither does that of other people who can't see what I'm saying.

Your continual flaming of me might be costing you customers. Can you afford it like I can?

Now you can all carry on without me, I've just sold $1,000 special offer and got $3,000 coming. So going to eat and watch TV.

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Your respect doesn't pay my bills. Neither does that of other people who can't see what I'm saying.
nathan is paying your bills and you were an asshole to him several times in this thread. but old people always think they are right so go ahead. you've got a reply for everything

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Your continual flaming of me might be costing you customers. Can you afford it like I can?
probably much more than you. i didnt have to start a thread begging someone to pay me 'what i used to get paid'. my very high income is on autopilot with new customers signing up every day. it takes me 5 minutes to set up a new customer and my average customer stays for a year. how much time will your shoot take?

i've also received new customers BECAUSE of this thread. so i guess we are even there.

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Now you can all carry on without me, I've just sold $1,000 special offer and got $3,000 coming. So going to eat and watch TV.
the fact that u think thats a lot of money shows how far detached your ego is from reality. but i guess your spamming is done. see u in a month. enjoy the TV.
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Marketing advice. Spamming Special Offers makes money.
Clearly. Otherwise you wouldn't do it. Shame you have to lie about being retired, but it's nice to watch you work. You really make everyone think you are as stupid as you act. I know better, and it's brilliant how - even when you are being really obvious - you still manage to get a 4 page thread about utter bollocks.

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Check mofos.com and click one of the shesafreak videos, it should give you a trailer.

Shoot as much as you can. We will edit it to around 30 minutes.. We will gimve you a Script, it will have some kind of story most likely in the beginning
I think that this guy is going to come up with some reason why he cant shoot this.



I will toss in $200 to hire a BTS camera guy. I want to see proof that Paul is the one actually shooting this scene.


Because i really think that Paul is going to sub out the work to some Russian dude to shoot this scene.



Lastly, I assume the girl needs to be approved and needs to speak english right? How will she be able to read the script?
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I do not hold a grudge, if he thinks he needs to talk to me that way, tough luck....

I just want to see that he delivers.. The BTS camera guy is a good idea... Paul, let's get one of those... I'll pay for that too. Paul, have him film you shooting the whole thing, so we can confirm that you actually do it yourself.
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I do not hold a grudge, if he thinks he needs to talk to me that way, tough luck....

I just want to see that he delivers.. The BTS camera guy is a good idea... Paul, let's get one of those... I'll pay for that too. Paul, have him film you shooting the whole thing, so we can confirm that you actually do it yourself.




BTS guy on set=Paul Markham not shooting shit!!


Im curious what gets said now.


NOTHING!!! Game over!! thread closed!!


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Can you afford it like I can?
tell me a little bit more about how rich you are??

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So, *now* Markham will pretend not to see this thread.
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I think that this guy is going to come up with some reason why he cant shoot this.

I will toss in $200 to hire a BTS camera guy. I want to see proof that Paul is the one actually shooting this scene.

Because i really think that Paul is going to sub out the work to some Russian dude to shoot this scene.

Lastly, I assume the girl needs to be approved and needs to speak english right? How will she be able to read the script?
Seriously why should I?

The question of whether I can shoot better or worse than you is unknown until you give me a pass into your paysite or a paysite you shot for. Want a pass into mine?
Even that is pointless because if it's a competition about who can shoot the best it a pissing contest and pointless. The only thing that matters is $$$$$$$$$

We could and did earn $3,000 a day in pure profits shooting. often more. The proof is in our content stores. You can't shoot that amount of content or quality or have the studio we had, based on Internet alone. Maybe a few sites have it, but no shooter does. In the magazine field I'm not unusual for having a large studio. For many it's the norm.

John Graham, Steve Colby, Jack Harrison, John Mason, Viv Thomas, Kevin Maklin, Bob Tanner, Steve Hicks, Suze Randall, us and more all had studios that were more like factories turning out sets for magazines. Many with assistant shooters.

Why? Because we could afford it.

Too my knowledge none of us turned to shooting custom for the prices paid quoted here.

Why? Because we couldn't afford to lose the money. Yes shooting custom lost us money.

We realised shooting girls like Christine was losing us money. Because the day she quit the sets we sold to ATK would of made us 10 times what we got from ATK.

You lost money by not shooting for the magazine market in 2007 which your profile says you joined this board. If you're not good enough, you have a very good excuse. If you didn't explore the market you're a very bad business man and I am not. I explored every possible market I could to sell content. Because it made great sense to keep ownership of our work and sell it over and over and over again.

We sold Christine's content via the content store for far more than $700 a scene.

And in business that's all that matters. $$$$$$$$$$$$ are King. Bro points on GFY don't pay the bills.

Give me a login to your content or keep talking.
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I do not hold a grudge, if he thinks he needs to talk to me that way, tough luck....

I just want to see that he delivers.. The BTS camera guy is a good idea... Paul, let's get one of those... I'll pay for that too. Paul, have him film you shooting the whole thing, so we can confirm that you actually do it yourself.
You and I don't like each other. Me for your business practice of living off the work of others and selling things like penis pills. You because I have the balls to flame you.

Good I will find someone to shoot me shooting the content and add it to the bill.

If you make the script require a girl who speaks English it narrows my choice. If you choose a girl who speaks English with an American accent it gives you the perfect "Get out of this for free" ticket. Because being in Czech I don't think I will be able to find one of those. Hope you don't keep turning down the girls I put up.

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https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/965283-money.html
It was a joke and spam, some saw it as that. And some it flew over their heads.

Hi Damian

Here's a new sofa for you and a wave from Father Xmas.
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It was a joke and spam, some saw it as that. And some it flew over their heads.

Hi Damian

Here's a new sofa for you and a wave from Father Xmas.
man you are so delusional. make sure u take your meds.
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Paul, I do not like you because you keep claiming you know how today's business works and you simply do not want to grasp that it changes...

The only thing I want from this thread is proof that you shot a scene for us, and I can take a look at the quality that YOU have claimed will be far superior than what we have currently...

I'm looking forward to seeing that..
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Hi Damian

Here's a new sofa for you and a wave from Father Xmas.
Hey, sweetie, just so you know, thinking that those little anim gif smilies are cool and funny is like thinking geocities is good.

Notice how essentially it's you, Robbie and ArseWithClass that use them. Says it all.

HTH

Your pal

Damian

PS well done on STILL rocking the troll bridge with this thread. It's like a masterclass.
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I suppose I upset people from day 1 on the boards by attacking the content some were producing. It was a justified reaction because time has proved me right.

Unseenworld, crap content and he's gone.
Lady Pink and her husband had a content store full of crap content and it's gone.
Many found they could make more selling custom than selling non exclusive.

To my knowledge none sold to magazines. Even today I've been inside a few sites that many here rave about the shooter and the content. It would never sell to magazines and sales to DVD would be poor.

The reasons are simple. On stills far too many basic elementary mistakes. Bad posing, framing, lack of poses, repeated poses over and over again and often images that wouldn't print on paper. Usually too wide exposure and therefore bad depth of field or reflected light going into the lens, which makes the image look out of focus. An editor would look at a set like these for a minute and dismiss them.

Videos lack a vitality, variation, imagination and generally just churned out. The DVD market has enough of that already. DVD sales are built on loyalty to the brand and label. If a series produces it sells to the shops which sell to consumers. It's very much like traffic, if a sponsor converts and retains he can spend more on traffic and his affiliates earn more.

So did the industry lose money going the route of poor content?

Yes, Yes and Yes.

A content rep going around the magazines could of sold a $1/4 million no problems. Selling 83 licenses for sets to all the magazines country by country was not a problem. IF THE CONTENT WAS GOOD ENOUGH.

The problem is you don't get that quality of porn for $300 or $700 a scene.

Exactly the same applies to the DVD industry. $25,000 Profit from a GOOD DVD in any most niches and certainly teens, HC, Big Tits was easy.

Most of this side of the industry was too insular and arrogant to think about it and suffered.

Money on the table was left there. site retention sucked and the number of sites competing with each one probably multiplied by a factor of ten. Because filling a site with cheap content was easy.

Am I right?

Over 15 years after we sold our first sets, for sale on the Internet to a company who had a site called www.thrills.com. We are still here and even took some money today.

How many of you can say that?

You can't deny the facts, we still make enough to stay independent and keep the sites up. 1995 to 2011.
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Paul, I do not like you because you keep claiming you know how today's business works and you simply do not want to grasp that it changes...

The only thing I want from this thread is proof that you shot a scene for us, and I can take a look at the quality that YOU have claimed will be far superior than what we have currently...

I'm looking forward to seeing that..
But I do know how it works today. I'm just pissed off it went down the wrong route.

It treats customers like fools, over pays on traffic and under pays on content.

Treating customers like fools = Selling them to dating sites, penis pills, cross selling or sites with very little content on them.

Over paying for traffic = More reasons not to buy than buy. More affiliates than is required and the belief that the more you give away the more people buy. Today the industry is largely based on giving it away for free to 99.99% so 0.01% buy. (use your own figures, you get the picture) And it's getting worse. Falling ratios, is a term for something still happening.

Under paying for content = Too many sites competing for the same buyer. And dissatisfaction of the buyer making the free option better than paying. Even Tubes can only exist because too much is paid for a sale.

10% to the affiliate wouldn't of resulted in less sign ups. It would of resulted in less free content. Spending more on the inside of the site would of meant more money in sales and retention.

Maybe TODAY it's too late to change. It's to ingrained in it's ways. Just like me.

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And the superior thing. Pointless. We never sold a scene for as low as $700.

It's about $$$$$$$$$$

People can listen to me or not. Truth is mosts shooters content isn't good enough.
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Over the years I've posted many threads on how shooters can improve their work. Yes I never, to my knowledge posted one of how they could sell to magazines. One because it was so easy if they couldn't figure it out they had a problem and two I didn't want them competing with us.

It was so easy to sell to magazines it was laughable. Here's the way.

Go to your nearest newsagents or newsstands and buy up all the adult magazines you find.



From Playboy



to



You need as many as possible to get to know the market. Study the magazines and find the ones that match your styles and ability.

Once you have that find the name of the publisher, editor and phone number. Many are put out by the same publishing houses.

Shoot some sets, film was best prior to 2005, some would take digital though.

Make a phone call, speak to the editor, introduce your self and tell him your track record. Make an appointment to go see him. Odds are if you can sell yourself on the phone you will get in.

Go and see him and show him your content. If it's good enough he will take it, if it's not he won't.

Once you're in it's a market that paid very very well and bought and bought. Once your name was against your work in a mag, getting in to see you editors was a push over. Often you could go office to office in the same publisher.

Downsides.

They paid on publication, if you couldn't afford to wait 6 months for payment you're going to struggle.

They liked film, if you couldn't get that right you were not going to sell.

The rejection rate of bad shooters was 99% unless they had a truly stunning girl. Even I shot a few bad sets and sold them because of the girl. Jana Cova for instance.

http://www.bargainbasementcontent.co...ils.php?id=416

http://www.bargainbasementcontent.co...ils.php?id=520

Was never happy with her the first time, yes Damian she looks scared. It was her first time. And she was nervous she was not good enough. A lot of girls are.

Bottom line is I made well over $6,000 that day.

Seriously guys it was that easy a few years ago when you were all chasing custom shoots for peanuts.

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Paul, so you will show us how much better you are than all the rest... since thats the whole point of having you shoot.. and you said, for 3k its worth it for you to shoot a scene for me... obviously I expect it shot the way you keep claiming is so much more superior than everyone else.
I just want to be proven that we actually have producers that are as bad as you keep saying they are... I want to see how you will blow us all away with the far superior content...
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Paul, so you will show us how much better you are than all the rest... since thats the whole point of having you shoot.. and you said, for 3k its worth it for you to shoot a scene for me... obviously I expect it shot the way you keep claiming is so much more superior than everyone else.
I just want to be proven that we actually have producers that are as bad as you keep saying they are... I want to see how you will blow us all away with the far superior content...
It will be very shaming for the guys working for $700 a scene if they are better than me.

And show up sponsors as the lousiest payers and exploiters of shooters.

Imagine how much the shooters lost, not working for a better paying market.

Did you think of the other side of the coin?



Too late now as the free Adult Internet has killed off their chances of making money in the magazine market.

Still a very small one left in DVD so here's how they can explore that market.

Find the up and coming DVD shows. Find a list of the exhibitors.

Make appointments to see them at the show and show your work. Selling yourself on the phone is essential.

Shoot content that you can sell. Enough for 3 DVDs, they really want to see commitment that you have the content and can shoot more.

Go to the show, see the people you made appointments with.

Show them your work and if it's good enough make a deal.

If it sells in the shops on the 2/3 edition you're in and you keep producing year after year.

Sell the rights country by country and in different mediums. DVD, Hotel, Cable, Mobile, Internet.

Imagine Fabian having someone running around selling a major chunk of your stills and videos a few years back $1/2 million profit on content that was paid for and made a profit via sites would of been some nice chump change. Not turnover PROFIT, except for the salesman. He could be on 20%.

That's the massive opportunity every one with blinkers on, missed. Me I missed nothing, see stores, magazines and paysites.

I don't expect you or anyone to like it as flaming Markham is a popular past time here. Will need a login to your site to see if I am better.
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Paul, you cleary have no clue how we pay our contract shooters
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BTW, half a million $ huh? Damn, you are balling man!

Wish I could ever see that kind of money :/
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Paul, you cleary have no clue how we pay our contract shooters
Yes I do. $2,000 for 3 set and video scenes solo girl. I'm going to guess you add 3 scenes a day. So if you have one shooter that's him turning over $2,000 a day.

Taking it at your costings, with deductions for an assistant, travel, equipment, refreshments, insurance, etc. I would say he clears $500 a day for a shoot. $3500 a week which is $182,000 a year. Working 7 days a week.

A very good income for a shooter today in porn.

But your site is full of the same shooter repeating the same scenes and you will need to use girls that aren't top girls or repeat a lot of the girls in the site over and over again. Finding 100 good girls in a year is a big job.

Spreading it around 5 shooters that's $36.400 a year. Which isn't a good living for a shooter. Which means he has to find other clients. If he can find 5 like you he's making a nice living working 5 days a week.

He could of been shooting 1 day a week for mags and made $6,000 for a days shoot. So let's assume he shoots 4 days custom for sites and 1 day a week for mags. He would then of been making $400.000 a year. In fact shooting 1 day a week 50 weeks a year would make him $300,000.

You clearly have no idea what magazine shooters made. And that's my main point this side of the industry is far to arrogant and insular.

Tell me specifically where I'm wrong. PLEASE.

Today they are seriously out of options and the good guys have moved on or retired. Or working for what ever is left.

My mate who used to shoot for mags now shoots weddings at a minimum of 3,000 GBP a wedding, pictures and video. Does 1 on Saturday and 1 on Sunday. Rest of the week editing and putting together the wedding album. Also get sales for extra copies of the DVD and prints.

Makes $500,000 a year by working 2 days a week and booked for a year. Took him a year to build his business up to overtake porn shooting. Can't name him as it would harm his business, having an ex porn shooter doing your wedding album ain't funny.
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You are wrong in the following assumptions:
1) We have only few contract producers for all our sites
2) We do not release 3 SAF videos a day. SAF is one of 40 sites.
3) Our producers shoot for multiple sites, SAF being the only solo girl site we have
4) Budgets for Hardcore sites are higher., considerably..
5) Budgets for Brazzers sites are even higher than that...
6) Our producers do not have to find the girls, we do that for them, they are there to produce, not hunt for models
7) Our producers do not have to edit anything, they deliver raw footage to us
8) Our producers usually shoot on 4-5 days a week, 1-2 shoots simultaneously

You live in a too small world, with too little understanding of the bigger picture... the more you brag about 400k a year, the more stupid you look in my eyes...

BTW, your mate makes 500k a year, working the whole week, you simply ignore the editing and putting together the wedding album. Even if he has help to do that obviously... but its "his company" or whatever you want to call it... which makes 500k a year...

You do not even know how much money we spend on production each _month_, really really should not brag about that 400k or 500k a year ;)
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dont know where Paul's last half a dozen posts came from. now he's writing a book on how to get published in magazines - which zero percent of us care about.
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You do not even know how much money we spend on production each _month_, really really should not brag about that 400k or 500k a year ;)
you are way way in a different league. Fabian is managing the Yankees and Paul is the backup pitcher for some neighborhood czech team.
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You are wrong in the following assumptions:
1) We have only few contract producers for all our sites
2) We do not release 3 SAF videos a day. SAF is one of 40 sites.
3) Our producers shoot for multiple sites, SAF being the only solo girl site we have
4) Budgets for Hardcore sites are higher., considerably..
5) Budgets for Brazzers sites are even higher than that...
6) Our producers do not have to find the girls, we do that for them, they are there to produce, not hunt for models
7) Our producers do not have to edit anything, they deliver raw footage to us
8) Our producers usually shoot on 4-5 days a week, 1-2 shoots simultaneously

You live in a too small world, with too little understanding of the bigger picture... the more you brag about 400k a year, the more stupid you look in my eyes...

BTW, your mate makes 500k a year, working the whole week, you simply ignore the editing and putting together the wedding album. Even if he has help to do that obviously... but its "his company" or whatever you want to call it... which makes 500k a year...

You do not even know how much money we spend on production each _month_, really really should not brag about that 400k or 500k a year ;)
Then your shooters are very fortunate and I praise you for valuing them as such. Isn't reflected in a lot of the industry.

plsureking comparing a publishers income with a shooters income isn't fair. 2 different realms. Compare my income with other custom shooters, even though I'm living off what I shot over the last 20 years, and Fabian's with Larry Flynt.

The posts about magazine market was about missed opportunities. In fact I only posted it BECAUSE it wasn't worth much today. And stated that. I see you understood the post.
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you are way way in a different league. Fabian is managing the Yankees and Paul is the backup pitcher for some neighborhood czech team.
Paul is the old guy on the bleachers shouting at no one in particular about nothing anyone is interested in.
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