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drriley · 12-31-2009, 11:31 AM

So-called security measures were bad enough prior to the Christmas Day incident in Detroit, but certainly now I would not travel to the U.S. by air -- it has simply become too much of a hassle. I wonder if there will come a breaking point when the U.S. and Canadian public say ENOUGH, and use the ballot box to force change.

From the Toronto Star
Published On Thu Dec 31 2009
Read the full article at:
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/ar...about-security

What Israel can teach us about security
At Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv, screening is done in 30 minutes. The key? Look passengers in the eye

While North America's airports groan under the weight of another sea-change in security protocols, one word keeps popping out of the mouths of experts: Israelification.

That is, how can we make our airports more like Israel's, which deal with far greater terror threats with far less inconvenience.

"It is mind boggling for us Israelis to look at what happens in North America, because we went through this 50 years ago," said Rafi Sela, the president of AR Challenges, a global transportation security consultancy. He has worked with the RCMP, the U.S. Navy Seals and airports around the world.

"Israelis, unlike Canadians and Americans, don't take s--- from anybody. When the security agency in Israel (the ISA) started to tighten security and we had to wait in line for ? not for hours ? but 30 or 40 minutes, all hell broke loose here. We said, `We're not going to do this. You're going to find a way that will take care of security without touching the efficiency of the airport.'"

Despite facing dozens of potential threats each day, the security set-up at Israel's largest hub, Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport, has not been breached since 2002, when a passenger mistakenly carried a handgun onto a flight. How do they manage that?

The first layer of actual security that greets travellers at Ben Gurion is a roadside check. All drivers are stopped and asked two questions: How are you? Where are you coming from?

"Two benign questions. The questions aren't important. The way people act when they answer them is," Sela said.

Once you've parked your car or gotten off your bus, you pass through the second and third security perimeters.

Armed guards outside the terminal observe passengers as they move toward the doors, again looking for odd behaviour. At Ben Gurion's half-dozen entrances, another layer of security is watching. At this point, some travellers will be randomly taken aside, and their person and their luggage run through a magnometer.

"This is to see that you don't have heavy metals on you or something that looks suspicious," said Sela.

You are now in the terminal. As you approach your airline check-in desk, a trained interviewer takes your passport and ticket. They ask a series of questions: Who packed your luggage? Has it left your side?

"The whole time, they are looking into your eyes ? which is very embarrassing. But this is one of the ways they figure out if you are suspicious or not. It takes 20, 25 seconds," said Sela.

Lines are staggered. People are not allowed to bunch up into inviting targets for a bomber who has gotten this far.

At the check-in desk, your luggage is scanned immediately in a purpose-built area. Sela plays devil's advocate ? what if you have escaped the attention of the first four layers of security, and now try to pass a bag with a bomb in it?

"I once put this question to Jacques Duchesneau (the former head of the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority): say there is a bag with Play-Doh in it and two pens stuck in the Play-Doh. That is `Bombs 101' to a screener. I asked Duchesneau, `What would you do?' And he said, `Evacuate the terminal.' And I said, `Oh. My. God.'

"Take (Toronto's) Pearson (airport). Do you know how many people are in the terminal at all times? Many thousands. Let's say I'm (doing an evacuation) without panic ? which will never happen. But let's say this is the case. How long will it take? Nobody thought about it. I said, `Two days.'"

A screener at Ben Gurion has a pair of better options.

First, the screening area is surrounded by contoured, blast-proof glass that can contain the detonation of up to 100 kilos of plastic explosive. Only the few dozen people within the screening area need be removed, and only to a point a few metres away.

Second, all the screening areas contain `bomb boxes.' If a screener spots a suspect bag, he/she is trained to pick it up and place it in the box, which is blast proof. A bomb squad arrives shortly and wheels the box away for further investigation.

"This is a very small, simple example of how we can simply stop a problem that would cripple one of your airports," Sela said.

Five security layers down: you now finally arrive at the only one which Ben Gurion airport shares with Pearson ? the body and hand-luggage check.

"But here it is done completely, absolutely 180 degrees differently than it is done in North America," Sela said.

"First, it's fast ? there's almost no line. That's because they're not looking for liquids, they're not looking at your shoes. They're not looking for everything they look for in North America. They just look at you," said Sela. "Even today with the heightened security in North America, they will check your items to death. But they will never look at you, at how you behave. They will never look into your eyes ... and that's how you figure out the bad guys from the good guys."

The goal at Ben Gurion is to move fliers from the parking lot to the airport lounge in 25 minutes tops.

And then there's intelligence. In Israel, Sela said, a coordinated intelligence gathering operation produces a constantly evolving series of threat analyses and vulnerability studies.

"There is absolutely no intelligence and threat analysis done in Canada or the United States," Sela said. "Absolutely none."

But even without the intelligence, Sela maintains, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab ? who allegedly tried to blow up Northwest Airlines Flight 253 on Christmas Day ? would not have gotten past Ben Gurion's behavioural profilers.

So. Eight years after 9/11, why are we still so reactive?

Sela first blames our leaders, and then ourselves.

"You can easily do what we do. You don't have to replace anything. You have to add just a little bit ? technology, training," Sela said. "But you have to completely change the way you go about doing airport security. And that is something that the bureaucrats have a problem with. They are very well enclosed in their own concept."

And rather than fear, he suggests outrage would be a far more powerful spur to provoking that change.

"Do you know why Israelis are so calm? We have brutal terror attacks on our civilians and still, life in Israel is pretty good. The reason is that people trust their defence forces, their police, their response teams and the security agencies. They know they're doing a good job. You can't say the same thing about Americans and Canadians. They don't trust anybody," Sela said. "But they say, `So far, so good.' Then if something happens, all hell breaks loose and you've spent eight hours in an airport. Which is ridiculous. Not justifiable."

Bryan G · 12-31-2009, 11:35 AM

Great Read, thank you

Fletch XXX · 12-31-2009, 11:38 AM

Israel airports = you got brown skin, your asshole is turned inside out.

lets do that in america!

seeandsee · 12-31-2009, 11:39 AM

devil people

Penthouse Tony · 12-31-2009, 11:44 AM

Yeah I get through Ben Gurion airport faster than any other large airport and I know I'm going through more screening. You feel safer. Other airports I'm just stuck in longer lines.

KILL_FRENZY · 12-31-2009, 11:46 AM

They're way to dumb and lazy to put Real Effort in flight security. It's A Lot easter to utterly humiliate the passenger...and yet the bad guys always seem to find a way through all their measures, makes you think, doesn't it.

pfff a barely-coherent, impatient and uselessly-paranoid gang of drooling imbeciles...with weapons

Les Grossman · 12-31-2009, 01:16 PM

I hate the middle east with a passion, but the Israelis have airport security down and they do not fuck around. If I had to respect any group from that area of the world, it would be the Israelis.

The problem with the USA having the same style of security is most of the people who are hired to work at the airports are either poorly paid or outsourced to security companies. This is what you have fat black women working security and are more interested in their nails and pulling rank on you than they are looking you over. This is why the US will continue to fail. They want cheap and they get what they pay for.

RadicalSights · 12-31-2009, 01:19 PM

Israelis are hardcore

corvette · 12-31-2009, 01:22 PM

they take their security very seriously, i went through there last year, very serious people, all professionals, and the security area was 4x as big as the one at sky harbor phoenix, each passenger was asked a few questions as a initial evaluation, it was pretty impressive

one rule i remembered was that passengers were not allowed to get up while the plane was over israel

VikingMan · 12-31-2009, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Les Grossman

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The problem with the USA having the same style of security is most of the people who are hired to work at the airports are either poorly paid or outsourced to security companies. This is what you have fat black women working security and are more interested in their nails and pulling rank on you than they are looking you over. This is why the US will continue to fail. They want cheap and they get what they pay for.

Exactly!!! The security at the airport in Isreal is 100% JEWISH.... meaning they actually give a fuck about who they are protecting. Do you think some 300lb black woman at a USA airpot gives a flying fuck about a bunch of honkeys?

potter · 12-31-2009, 02:02 PM

The only thing I thought was a good idea from that article is the bomb proof screening areas.

Other than that, come on. For over 50 years we have had the technology to make machines built to sniff out explosives. They've been standard in military and nuclear facilities in this country since forever.

All we have to do is put these in the airports. Done. No bombs get through.

Nothing more, nothing less. That's it.

It would be 100X cheaper too than the incredible amount of money we've wasted on airport security over the past ten years too. Like, small fractions cheaper here.

moeloubani · 12-31-2009, 02:10 PM

well when your country isnt really a country but an illegal occupation that murders innocent people by the thousands then you'd better have some damn good security

Domain Diva · 12-31-2009, 03:10 PM

Israel does have tight security but it seems the problem with this last case is basic core risk management.

1. His father tipped off the embassy that his son was acting strange/radical..hence he got put on a list....so you have a guy on a list who is now suspect.

2...This is the kicker for me .....That same person on the list then later flies to the USA for a visit on ..get this ...a ONE WAY TICKET !!

If the above doesnt attract warning flags..then its time to start again from the base up.

themadwriter · 12-31-2009, 05:00 PM

very interesting read, thanks for the info! happy 2010

DudeRick · 12-31-2009, 05:11 PM

Sadly, it will take tens of thousands of more Americans deaths from terrorism before this happens here.

Les Grossman · 12-31-2009, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DudeRick

Sadly, it will take tens of thousands of more Americans deaths from terrorism before this happens here.

What is coming for America is the same that much of the rest of the world already has. Gangs of highly armed military and military police walking the streets, at every corner, always watching you, authorized to shoot to kill.

POed-poster · 12-31-2009, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by *******

Exactly!!! The security at the airport in Isreal is 100% JEWISH.... meaning they actually give a fuck about who they are protecting. Do you think some 300lb black woman at a USA airpot gives a flying fuck about a bunch of honkeys?

You're an idiot

Spankys Teens · 01-01-2010, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moeloubani

well when your country isnt really a country but an illegal occupation that murders innocent people by the thousands then you'd better have some damn good security

So you read an article on wikipedia and now you think you know what you're talking about?

moeloubani · 01-01-2010, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spankys Teens

So you read an article on wikipedia and now you think you know what you're talking about?

had YOU done any research and looked at my past posts you would see how much i know about the subject

so you read one post i made and now you think you know anything about what I know?

JFK · 01-01-2010, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Bryan

Great Read, thank you

yup it is, I'm so looking forward to going to Vegas

12-31-2009, 11:31 AM	#1
drriley Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 263	What Israel can teach us about airport security. So-called security measures were bad enough prior to the Christmas Day incident in Detroit, but certainly now I would not travel to the U.S. by air -- it has simply become too much of a hassle. I wonder if there will come a breaking point when the U.S. and Canadian public say ENOUGH, and use the ballot box to force change. From the Toronto Star Published On Thu Dec 31 2009 Read the full article at: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/ar...about-security What Israel can teach us about security At Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv, screening is done in 30 minutes. The key? Look passengers in the eye While North America's airports groan under the weight of another sea-change in security protocols, one word keeps popping out of the mouths of experts: Israelification. That is, how can we make our airports more like Israel's, which deal with far greater terror threats with far less inconvenience. "It is mind boggling for us Israelis to look at what happens in North America, because we went through this 50 years ago," said Rafi Sela, the president of AR Challenges, a global transportation security consultancy. He has worked with the RCMP, the U.S. Navy Seals and airports around the world. "Israelis, unlike Canadians and Americans, don't take s--- from anybody. When the security agency in Israel (the ISA) started to tighten security and we had to wait in line for ? not for hours ? but 30 or 40 minutes, all hell broke loose here. We said, `We're not going to do this. You're going to find a way that will take care of security without touching the efficiency of the airport.'" Despite facing dozens of potential threats each day, the security set-up at Israel's largest hub, Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport, has not been breached since 2002, when a passenger mistakenly carried a handgun onto a flight. How do they manage that? The first layer of actual security that greets travellers at Ben Gurion is a roadside check. All drivers are stopped and asked two questions: How are you? Where are you coming from? "Two benign questions. The questions aren't important. The way people act when they answer them is," Sela said. Once you've parked your car or gotten off your bus, you pass through the second and third security perimeters. Armed guards outside the terminal observe passengers as they move toward the doors, again looking for odd behaviour. At Ben Gurion's half-dozen entrances, another layer of security is watching. At this point, some travellers will be randomly taken aside, and their person and their luggage run through a magnometer. "This is to see that you don't have heavy metals on you or something that looks suspicious," said Sela. You are now in the terminal. As you approach your airline check-in desk, a trained interviewer takes your passport and ticket. They ask a series of questions: Who packed your luggage? Has it left your side? "The whole time, they are looking into your eyes ? which is very embarrassing. But this is one of the ways they figure out if you are suspicious or not. It takes 20, 25 seconds," said Sela. Lines are staggered. People are not allowed to bunch up into inviting targets for a bomber who has gotten this far. At the check-in desk, your luggage is scanned immediately in a purpose-built area. Sela plays devil's advocate ? what if you have escaped the attention of the first four layers of security, and now try to pass a bag with a bomb in it? "I once put this question to Jacques Duchesneau (the former head of the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority): say there is a bag with Play-Doh in it and two pens stuck in the Play-Doh. That is `Bombs 101' to a screener. I asked Duchesneau, `What would you do?' And he said, `Evacuate the terminal.' And I said, `Oh. My. God.' "Take (Toronto's) Pearson (airport). Do you know how many people are in the terminal at all times? Many thousands. Let's say I'm (doing an evacuation) without panic ? which will never happen. But let's say this is the case. How long will it take? Nobody thought about it. I said, `Two days.'" A screener at Ben Gurion has a pair of better options. First, the screening area is surrounded by contoured, blast-proof glass that can contain the detonation of up to 100 kilos of plastic explosive. Only the few dozen people within the screening area need be removed, and only to a point a few metres away. Second, all the screening areas contain `bomb boxes.' If a screener spots a suspect bag, he/she is trained to pick it up and place it in the box, which is blast proof. A bomb squad arrives shortly and wheels the box away for further investigation. "This is a very small, simple example of how we can simply stop a problem that would cripple one of your airports," Sela said. Five security layers down: you now finally arrive at the only one which Ben Gurion airport shares with Pearson ? the body and hand-luggage check. "But here it is done completely, absolutely 180 degrees differently than it is done in North America," Sela said. "First, it's fast ? there's almost no line. That's because they're not looking for liquids, they're not looking at your shoes. They're not looking for everything they look for in North America. They just look at you," said Sela. "Even today with the heightened security in North America, they will check your items to death. But they will never look at you, at how you behave. They will never look into your eyes ... and that's how you figure out the bad guys from the good guys." The goal at Ben Gurion is to move fliers from the parking lot to the airport lounge in 25 minutes tops. And then there's intelligence. In Israel, Sela said, a coordinated intelligence gathering operation produces a constantly evolving series of threat analyses and vulnerability studies. "There is absolutely no intelligence and threat analysis done in Canada or the United States," Sela said. "Absolutely none." But even without the intelligence, Sela maintains, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab ? who allegedly tried to blow up Northwest Airlines Flight 253 on Christmas Day ? would not have gotten past Ben Gurion's behavioural profilers. So. Eight years after 9/11, why are we still so reactive? Sela first blames our leaders, and then ourselves. "You can easily do what we do. You don't have to replace anything. You have to add just a little bit ? technology, training," Sela said. "But you have to completely change the way you go about doing airport security. And that is something that the bureaucrats have a problem with. They are very well enclosed in their own concept." And rather than fear, he suggests outrage would be a far more powerful spur to provoking that change. "Do you know why Israelis are so calm? We have brutal terror attacks on our civilians and still, life in Israel is pretty good. The reason is that people trust their defence forces, their police, their response teams and the security agencies. They know they're doing a good job. You can't say the same thing about Americans and Canadians. They don't trust anybody," Sela said. "But they say, `So far, so good.' Then if something happens, all hell breaks loose and you've spent eight hours in an airport. Which is ridiculous. Not justifiable."

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