At what point does a 'conflict' become a war? - GoFuckYourself.com

Sarah_Jayne · 08-03-2006, 09:45 AM

For the first time last night I heard a BBC newscaster refer to these recent troubles as a war. Every other time it is called a crisis or a conflict. Where is the line drawn? I can imagine the meetings in newsrooms deciding.

Yngwie · 08-03-2006, 09:47 AM

Well, when no one can agree on a solution it usually ends up in war. That's just my opinion though.

Lazonby · 08-03-2006, 09:49 AM

It's a difficult one to call because it isn't between two states.

Double L · 08-03-2006, 09:50 AM

well when you compare major wars to events now where I watch the news and hear 12 dead I think of it more of a skirmish than a real war. Still sucks and that doesnt mean its always right, but its nothing compared to past wars with thousands consistenly dying daily.

peace.

carol.prime · 08-03-2006, 09:53 AM

Media often use the term 'conflict' instead of war to avoid panic. Either way, both refers to chaos.

seven · 08-03-2006, 09:55 AM

fight between 2 countries = war
fight between 2 groups = crisis/mob fight
fight between 1 country and 1 particular group = conflict

Sarah_Jayne · 08-03-2006, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazonby

It's a difficult one to call because it isn't between two states.

civil wars aren't either but are still called wars

seven · 08-03-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

civil wars aren't either but are still called wars

you gotta point there maybe should they should call it civil crisis

seven · 08-03-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by seven

you gotta point there maybe should they should call it civil crisis

or sectarian violence like Bushministration calls it

KRL · 08-03-2006, 10:01 AM

Ummm, Hezbollah fired 230 missles into Israel yesterday.

I'd call that a fucking war.

DaddyHalbucks · 08-03-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Ummm, Hezbollah fired 230 missles into Israel yesterday.

I'd call that a fucking war.

Yep.

Well put.

ServerGenius · 08-03-2006, 10:51 AM

If the US gets involved

DaddyHalbucks · 08-03-2006, 10:53 AM

How many trees does it take to make a forrest?

I'll say 1000.

How many deaths to make a war? I'll say 1000 --unless anyone has a better number.

reynold · 08-03-2006, 09:50 PM

It's a war. As long as the international community can't find ways to stop it, then it will remain a crisis.

TheJimmy · 08-03-2006, 09:54 PM

And then I start wondering...did we ever have a Crisis on Drugs or a Crisis on Terror before the War(s) set in?

.hmm

Rochard · 08-03-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Ummm, Hezbollah fired 230 missles into Israel yesterday.

I'd call that a fucking war.

Can someone explain to me how a "group" got 230 missiles?

That's like telling me the Montana Freeman have missiles.

Sarah_Jayne · 08-04-2006, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TheJimmy

And then I start wondering...did we ever have a Crisis on Drugs or a Crisis on Terror before the War(s) set in?

.hmm

yeah..somebody didn't follow the plan

CheneyRumsfeld · 08-04-2006, 02:12 AM

when they are shooting at the other guy it is a conflict.
when they are shooting at you it is a war.

martinsc · 08-04-2006, 02:17 AM

i think it's a matter of numbers....

notabook · 08-04-2006, 02:18 AM

hmmm... well I guess if one side declares "war" on the other, other reciprocates back in full force... it?s war? Or maybe it's a cheese steak sandwich. I don't know, I get those two things confused.

betabomb · 08-04-2006, 02:30 AM

like love. when you can't think about nothing else.

Bdiddy · 08-04-2006, 02:42 AM

When two forces engage in open combat. Not just hurling bombs and missiles at one another. but thats me

Antonio · 08-04-2006, 04:46 AM

well, lets see - 58 people die daily in Iraq - they call it a war

51 people get killed by criminals every day in South Africa - they call it "shit happens", go figure

redfalcon · 08-04-2006, 04:52 AM

"war being when two parties in conflict start throwing fists."

redfalcon · 08-04-2006, 04:57 AM

correction: ""war begins when two parties in conflict start throwing fists."

Lazonby · 08-04-2006, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

civil wars aren't either but are still called wars

Good point.

I'm not sure there is really a true definition of war. The grey area is rather large.

In terms of the way conflicts have changed, back in the day a war typically consisted of two vast opposing armies of men in uniforms.

Nowadays, wars are fought by civilians. For example, the 'War on Terror' (what a stupid name that is) is being fought by Muslim civilians, admittedly with the help of governments, against non-Muslim civilians.

This is a war which the West will not win if it continues to ignore what is causing this war, and that is the Islamic ideology of establishing the Caliphate and murdering all the infidels.
If we could only get rid of the ideology, we wouldn't have a problem. Unfortunately, this ideology is ingrained in the minds of half a billion people worldwide, and since the West has no stomach for bloodshed or self preservation, this war will go on and on and on and will never ever end unless a new type of leader steps up. It has been happening for the last 1400 years. It will go on for another 1400 years.

Lazonby · 08-04-2006, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

well, lets see - 58 people die daily in Iraq - they call it a war

51 people get killed by criminals every day in South Africa - they call it "shit happens", go figure

But in South Africa, it's not an organised campaign of murder. There isn't some guy at the top saying, 'we must kill all white people and weaker blacks'. There just happens to be alot of independant murderous criminals.

BlueDesignStudios · 08-04-2006, 05:27 AM

if firing 1000's of missiles & destroying an country isn't called a war, I dont' know what is

VicD · 08-04-2006, 06:21 AM

Only if it's very, very clear they call it a war, politics...

Paul · 08-04-2006, 07:24 AM

Did the Lebanese army become involved recently ? Perhaps it was called a "conflict" because it was Hezbollah Vs Israel.

Then again perhaps it changed names due to the amount of civilian casualties

Odin · 08-04-2006, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Can someone explain to me how a "group" got 230 missiles?

That's like telling me the Montana Freeman have missiles.

it isn't 1944 anymore. Katyusha rockets are pieces of shit, and Hezbollah has alot of money comming in (not just from Iran and Syria, but Lebanese in the ME and around the world). Give it another 30 years until Hezbollah or someone similar fights Israel and they have huge explosive rockets that can hit anywhere in Israel. The time will come, this is just a dress rehearsal I think.

Kimo · 08-04-2006, 07:46 AM

its not a war until the UN says so

directfiesta · 08-04-2006, 07:56 AM

2HousePlague · 08-04-2006, 07:51 PM

"War" is a realm that allows for actions beyond the jurisdiction of law, unless there is such a thing as a world court.

2hp

Lazonby · 08-04-2006, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

What has Islamic lesbianism got to do with this thread?

Blingbaby · 08-04-2006, 08:57 PM

It's really not that difficult.

War=

A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties
To wage or carry on warfare.
To be in a state of hostility or rivalry; contend.

Sarah_Jayne · 08-05-2006, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Blingbaby

It's really not that difficult.

War=

A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties
To wage or carry on warfare.
To be in a state of hostility or rivalry; contend.

and that is different from a 'conflict' how?

08-03-2006, 09:45 AM	#1
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	At what point does a 'conflict' become a war? For the first time last night I heard a BBC newscaster refer to these recent troubles as a war. Every other time it is called a crisis or a conflict. Where is the line drawn? I can imagine the meetings in newsrooms deciding.

08-03-2006, 09:47 AM	#2
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08-03-2006, 09:49 AM	#3
Lazonby Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,262	It's a difficult one to call because it isn't between two states.

08-03-2006, 09:50 AM	#4
Double L Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: US Posts: 349	well when you compare major wars to events now where I watch the news and hear 12 dead I think of it more of a skirmish than a real war. Still sucks and that doesnt mean its always right, but its nothing compared to past wars with thousands consistenly dying daily. peace.

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reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	It's a war. As long as the international community can't find ways to stop it, then it will remain a crisis.

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CheneyRumsfeld Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,341	when they are shooting at the other guy it is a conflict. when they are shooting at you it is a war.

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Antonio Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Spartaaaaaaaaa Posts: 14,136	well, lets see - 58 people die daily in Iraq - they call it a war 51 people get killed by criminals every day in South Africa - they call it "shit happens", go figure

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redfalcon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 164	"war being when two parties in conflict start throwing fists." Last edited by redfalcon; 08-04-2006 at 04:53 AM..

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Blingbaby Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,079	It's really not that difficult. War= A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties To wage or carry on warfare. To be in a state of hostility or rivalry; contend.