PSW Billing suspend VISA ?? - GoFuckYourself.com

PornoBug · 01-17-2003, 03:08 PM

I have just heard that PSW Billing have suspended VISA for international clients, anyone know what the fuck is going on there ? Didn't PSW make a big deal about the fact that they could handle International accounts despite the VISA changes ?

Maybe someone from PSW can come on here and let us all know whats happening ?

Petr · 01-17-2003, 03:14 PM

this is the email PSW has just sent out:

---

Due to new Visa Regulations, Policies and Registration Issues
any website that is not registered under a USA Sponsored
Merchant will experience an interruption in Visa Service for
7 to 10 days starting Monday 1/20/2003.

This does not affect Mastercard, JCB or Online Check
transactions and all existing Visa Rebills will be processed
immediately when Visa service resumes thus none of your
recurring transactions will be lost.

Thanks for your understanding and support. We are working
closely with our aquiring banks and Visa to minimize the
effects.

--------------------------------------------------------------
NOTE: If the website listed above should be under an existing
USA Sponsored Merchant Account, please contact us.
--------------------------------------------------------------

Sincerely,
PSW Bank Card Department
[email protected]

Theo · 01-17-2003, 03:18 PM

Shoplifter · 01-17-2003, 03:20 PM

Looks like someone had to switch banks in a hurry. Expect more of this.

Only 16 days into this year and they have been very very long days indeed.

quiet · 01-17-2003, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shoplifter
Looks like someone had to switch banks in a hurry. Expect more of this.

Only 16 days of this year and they have been very very long.

no doubt.

polish_aristocrat · 01-17-2003, 03:22 PM

do you think that it could happen someday that both Visa and Mastercard stop accepting payments for pornsites at all ( like it happens with casino sites ) ?

Theo · 01-17-2003, 03:24 PM

Don't compare casinos with porn. There's a huge difference.

rowan · 01-17-2003, 03:24 PM

I just got this email too.

3 whole days notice of a 7-10 day interruption for 50%+ of my new signups.

I don't have a backup processor.

Fuck.

Theo · 01-17-2003, 03:24 PM

at least not yet

m0rph3us · 01-17-2003, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
do you think that it could happen someday that both Visa and Mastercard stop accepting payments for pornsites at all ( like it happens with casino sites ) ?

probably if shit keep up the way it does.

XSV · 01-17-2003, 03:32 PM

I just got that email as well, but only for 2 of our domains...???

Darren · 01-17-2003, 03:51 PM

oh shit great..... another set back......

Processing Princess · 01-17-2003, 03:56 PM

Rowan Contact Epoch! @ (888) 627-3888 or ICQ me

Darren · 01-17-2003, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Processing Princess
Rowan Contact Epoch! @ (888) 627-3888 or ICQ me

hey ! so u are processing for EU now?

corvette · 01-17-2003, 03:57 PM

I hate jumping into threads like this?but if anybody is looking for an immediate solution for Visa and they are located in a Visa EU region, we can process your initial Visa transactions until you get your normal billing back up. There is no setup fee and no Visa registration fee for EU clients. A list of Visa regions is located here, if you are located in one of the countries in the EU region, then you would be good to go.

If you are an EU client and need a temporary billing solution, check out ccbilleu.com. We will get you set up ASAP and you can drop off the processing once your normal Visa solution is back up.

BluMedia · 01-17-2003, 03:59 PM

Man that sucks, sorry to hear that for everyone processing with them. Time to use your backup processor.

PornoBug · 01-17-2003, 04:12 PM

Anyone got a nice billing solution for Australian webmasters or should we all give up and go to the beach ?

Darren · 01-17-2003, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
do you think that it could happen someday that both Visa and Mastercard stop accepting payments for pornsites at all ( like it happens with casino sites ) ?

with sites like porn for a $ and then get charged $100 plus after 30 mins or something.

yes this will probably happen and then we would be fucked.

BluMedia · 01-17-2003, 04:17 PM

Well personally I think that will happen first to the webmasters who are fucking the customers over. But with the majority of greedy fuckers yeah I could see that happening.

Darren · 01-17-2003, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darren

with sites like porn for a $ and then get charged $100 plus after 30 mins or something.

yes this will probably happen and then we would be fucked.

no other industry would get away with shit like that and why should they...

Its like a clothes shop doing an offer on T-shirts... today only $1... if ur still wearing after 30 minutes then $100 + a month, but we told u it was in small print at the bottom of the page. Yes the text was i brown on a black background but sir it was there.

Theo · 01-17-2003, 04:23 PM

corvett,why is the ccbilleu a temp solution?

Darren · 01-17-2003, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
corvett,why is the ccbilleu a temp solution?

temp solution to the PSW problem....

J.R. · 01-17-2003, 04:26 PM

Luckily... we can switch processors and click of a switch.

If you cannot process, send the traffic to us. We can atleast
convert it for you if you want.

We use PSW as a backup, we will turn them off for
a few days until this problem is sorted.

Hope this helps!

corvette · 01-17-2003, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darren

temp solution to the PSW problem....

right...i have a thing for wasting good Visa signups

Darren · 01-17-2003, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
Luckily... we can switch processors and click of a switch.

If you cannot process, send the traffic to us. We can atleast
convert it for you if you want.

We use PSW as a backup, we will turn them off for
a few days until this problem is sorted.

Hope this helps!

lol wtf? most artistic spam ever, so instead of sending to our signup page we send them to urs... lol cool... Well we can switch at a moments notice as well... www.mensniche.com ....

J.R. · 01-17-2003, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darren

lol wtf? most artistic spam ever, so instead of sending to our signup page we send them to urs... lol cool... Well we can switch at a moments notice as well... www.mensniche.com ....

Wasn't a spam... a sololution for those without one

Darren · 01-17-2003, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.

Wasn't a spam... a sololution for those without one

ahahaa ok!

Theo · 01-17-2003, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darren

temp solution to the PSW problem....

oh. Glad you posted the link. I have missed it, although i follow most cc threads.

twistyneck · 01-17-2003, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by corvett
I hate jumping into threads like this?but if anybody is looking for an immediate solution for Visa and they are located in a Visa EU region, we can process your initial Visa transactions until you get your normal billing back up. There is no setup fee and no Visa registration fee for EU clients. A list of Visa regions is located here, if you are located in one of the countries in the EU region, then you would be good to go.

If you are an EU client and need a temporary billing solution, check out ccbilleu.com. We will get you set up ASAP and you can drop off the processing once your normal Visa solution is back up.

Are you still offering bulletproof processing for spammers? You know, the ones that use other people's email accounts and such. Like kscans.com. I see they still have the ccbill logo thingey up.
http://www.kscans.com/join.html

tycoon · 01-17-2003, 04:34 PM

"probably if shit keep up the way it does."

I dont get it. The industry is in better shape today then ever. Visa and soon enough MasterCard will have tabs on everybody. The government is going to get its Taxes and the crooks will be kicked out the door. If anything, your going to see more and more people trying to get into the internet porn and your going to see companys like epoch & ccbill finding more and more reasons for these billing companies to jump on board.

I dont know about you guys but Im excited about the future!

-King

Centurion · 01-17-2003, 04:36 PM

Corvette,

Can you hit me up on ICQ? 6080966
I use ccbill as backup..but don't have visa as part of my backup with CCBILL. Use psw as primary..and now need to scramble to cover this..looking for specifics on how I can get the temporary setup for visa for the time period pswbilling is not processing.

Thanks!
First Lancelot Security..then probilling..now THIS! ARRGH!

Masturbationman · 01-17-2003, 04:46 PM

If you want the best solution you need to call iBll. They even have the ability to do currency conversion now in 6 different curencies. They just got me up in less than 1 hour. Ask for Todd in sales.

Masturbation Man

OneHungLo · 01-17-2003, 04:49 PM

Anyone know when that CCbill dialer is gonna be ready? looks like a good alternative to checks.

BluMedia · 01-17-2003, 04:53 PM

Damn that sucks. Anyone need anything let me know and I will try my best to help you out. Also I know CCBill can usually set you up really quick or you can just route your traffic to a sponsor or something. You should always have a backup though.

Mark Erickson
[email protected]

jimmyf · 01-17-2003, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Masturbationman
If you want the best solution you need to call iBll. They even have the ability to do currency conversion now in 6 different curencies. They just got me up in less than 1 hour. Ask for Todd in sales.

Masturbation Man

You are kidding right?

HunkyLuke · 01-17-2003, 05:17 PM

F****K

first I got screwed when probilling started scrubbing like hell, so I switched to PSW, now this shit is going on. Colin says probilling is back to normal scrubbing and is not affected by this visa thing, anyone using probilling here? If yes are you back to normal rejection/scrub rates?

Please post, I am getting tired of having to switch my join page again and again.....

Luke

justsexxx · 01-17-2003, 05:21 PM

Question: Why is PSW affected with this reg. and why are jettis probilling etc not?

Andre

Masturbationman · 01-17-2003, 05:21 PM

I have been with the top three big billing companies for years and have never lost money really. Maybe everyone should stop tring to save a buck by switching to these new guys because in the long run you end up losing everything.

Masturbation Man

Tipsy · 01-17-2003, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Masturbationman
If you want the best solution you need to call iBll. They even have the ability to do currency conversion now in 6 different curencies. They just got me up in less than 1 hour. Ask for Todd in sales.

Masturbation Man

This thread was worth reading for that alone. That's just plain funny.

The Other Steve · 01-17-2003, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sexfind
Anyone got a nice billing solution for Australian webmasters or should we all give up and go to the beach ?

We're in Aus and we bill through Globill - they can set you up in a matter of hours.

UnseenWorld · 01-17-2003, 05:49 PM

Globill keeps chugging alone, still seemingly immune to any troubles from VISA or MC.

khy · 01-17-2003, 05:50 PM

Quote:

This thread was worth reading for that alone. That's just plain funny.

I've processed with Ibill since '98 and I can't really say anything bad about them. I try to spread my billing around a little so it isn't all in one place, but saving a buck or two now isn't worth NEARLY as much to me as processing with a company that I feel is stable for the long haul. Currently, Ibill, Epoch and CCBill still take top spots for me (and pretty much in that order, although Epoch may be squeezing ahead a bit now).

I'm sure some of the other billing companies will make names for themselves, but I'm not going to be one of the ones risking my ass to help them make their name.

Just my

Tipsy · 01-17-2003, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by khy

I've processed with Ibill since '98 and I can't really say anything bad about them. I try to spread my billing around a little so it isn't all in one place, but saving a buck or two now isn't worth NEARLY as much to me as processing with a company that I feel is stable for the long haul. Currently, Ibill, Epoch and CCBill still take top spots for me (and pretty much in that order, although Epoch may be squeezing ahead a bit now).

I'm sure some of the other billing companies will make names for themselves, but I'm not going to be one of the ones risking my ass to help them make their name.

Just my

Two people who use a different Internet from everyone else and totally miss evertything that happens.

I LOVE the mentality of 'it has happened to me and although it happened to everyone else I'm safe'.

This thread gets funnier as it goes along.

PornoBug · 01-17-2003, 05:58 PM

The Other Steve,

I have tried Glo-Bill and quite frankly I dont like them, their demand for logo space (especially with that ugly logo of theirs) is incompatible with my sites and desire to have multiple billing options for clients on the join page.

PSW are fine if they continue to accept VISA, if CCBill or Jettis take on Australian clients then I would like to hear from them.

schiz · 01-17-2003, 06:06 PM

If you use PSW Billing and fear that you're processing will cease, I may be able to help. I can help you stay with PSW, with no VISA (or MC) fees ever, as well as uninterrupted service. I should be able to have everything cleared up for you before the deadline.

Please shoot me an email ASAP if you're interested in securing your PSW account.

[email protected]

HunkyLuke · 01-17-2003, 06:11 PM

schiz, what are you proposing?

corvette · 01-17-2003, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck
Are you still offering bulletproof processing for spammers?

twistyneck, we have a procedures for dealing with accounts that are accused of spamming. It is not something that we take lightly. It is just not as simple as inactivating an account when somebody claims that they were spammed by them. We need to verify it, warn them, and if it continues, they have left us no choice but to take strict action.

Quote:

Originally posted by OneHungLo
Anyone know when that CCBill dialer is going to be ready? Looks like a good alternative to checks.

Really soon, I think that it is a matter of days now before we announce it. We are in the final stages of implementation, training, documentation, etc.

khy · 01-17-2003, 06:15 PM

Quote:

I LOVE the mentality of 'it has happened to me and although it happened to everyone else I'm safe'.

Anyone who thinks they are "safe" should throw in the towel today. There is no such thing in this business, which is all the more reason to minimize your risks in every way that you can. You may think a young company offering competitive rates to attract new clients is the safe route, but I tend to think the established company with a large banking infrastructure behind it has a little more staying power if (or rather when) trouble hits. Of course, I could just be a dumb fuck....

Kimmykim · 01-17-2003, 06:28 PM

Interesting...

Masturbationman
I am probably spamming

Registered: Oct 2002
Location: South Florida
Posts: 3

Kimmykim · 01-17-2003, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by schiz
If you use PSW Billing and fear that you're processing will cease, I may be able to help. I can help you stay with PSW, with no VISA (or MC) fees ever, as well as uninterrupted service. I should be able to have everything cleared up for you before the deadline.

Please shoot me an email ASAP if you're interested in securing your PSW account.

[email protected]

Alrighty we have a winner!!! Here's the guy with a hotmail address telling you he knows how to outsmart Visa!!!!

01-17-2003, 03:08 PM	#1
PornoBug Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 237	PSW Billing suspend VISA ?? I have just heard that PSW Billing have suspended VISA for international clients, anyone know what the fuck is going on there ? Didn't PSW make a big deal about the fact that they could handle International accounts despite the VISA changes ? Maybe someone from PSW can come on here and let us all know whats happening ?

01-17-2003, 03:20 PM	#4
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,739	Looks like someone had to switch banks in a hurry. Expect more of this. Only 16 days into this year and they have been very very long days indeed. Last edited by Shoplifter; 01-17-2003 at 03:21 PM..

01-17-2003, 03:22 PM	#6
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	do you think that it could happen someday that both Visa and Mastercard stop accepting payments for pornsites at all ( like it happens with casino sites ) ? __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

01-17-2003, 03:32 PM	#11
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01-17-2003, 03:51 PM	#12
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01-17-2003, 03:14 PM	#2
Petr Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 502	this is the email PSW has just sent out: --- Due to new Visa Regulations, Policies and Registration Issues any website that is not registered under a USA Sponsored Merchant will experience an interruption in Visa Service for 7 to 10 days starting Monday 1/20/2003. This does not affect Mastercard, JCB or Online Check transactions and all existing Visa Rebills will be processed immediately when Visa service resumes thus none of your recurring transactions will be lost. Thanks for your understanding and support. We are working closely with our aquiring banks and Visa to minimize the effects. -------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: If the website listed above should be under an existing USA Sponsored Merchant Account, please contact us. -------------------------------------------------------------- Sincerely, PSW Bank Card Department [email protected]

01-17-2003, 03:18 PM	#3
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	wtf

01-17-2003, 03:24 PM	#7
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Don't compare casinos with porn. There's a huge difference.

01-17-2003, 03:24 PM	#8
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I just got this email too. 3 whole days notice of a 7-10 day interruption for 50%+ of my new signups. I don't have a backup processor. Fuck.

01-17-2003, 03:56 PM	#13
Processing Princess Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Marina del Rey Posts: 175	Rowan Contact Epoch! @ (888) 627-3888 or ICQ me __________________ -- Isabel icq# 151180901 [email protected]

01-17-2003, 03:57 PM	#15
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	I hate jumping into threads like this?but if anybody is looking for an immediate solution for Visa and they are located in a Visa EU region, we can process your initial Visa transactions until you get your normal billing back up. There is no setup fee and no Visa registration fee for EU clients. A list of Visa regions is located here, if you are located in one of the countries in the EU region, then you would be good to go. If you are an EU client and need a temporary billing solution, check out ccbilleu.com. We will get you set up ASAP and you can drop off the processing once your normal Visa solution is back up. __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

01-17-2003, 03:59 PM	#16
BluMedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,973	Man that sucks, sorry to hear that for everyone processing with them. Time to use your backup processor. __________________ IntenseCash - If you can't convert us then you might want to look for a new job . BrokeStraightBoys.com converting 1:124 stats counted by Nats

01-17-2003, 04:12 PM	#17
PornoBug Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 237	Anyone got a nice billing solution for Australian webmasters or should we all give up and go to the beach ?

01-17-2003, 04:17 PM	#19
BluMedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,973	Well personally I think that will happen first to the webmasters who are fucking the customers over. But with the majority of greedy fuckers yeah I could see that happening. __________________ IntenseCash - If you can't convert us then you might want to look for a new job . BrokeStraightBoys.com converting 1:124 stats counted by Nats

01-17-2003, 04:23 PM	#21
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	corvett,why is the ccbilleu a temp solution?

01-17-2003, 04:26 PM	#23
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Luckily... we can switch processors and click of a switch. If you cannot process, send the traffic to us. We can atleast convert it for you if you want. We use PSW as a backup, we will turn them off for a few days until this problem is sorted. Hope this helps!

01-17-2003, 04:34 PM	#30
tycoon Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 99	"probably if shit keep up the way it does." I dont get it. The industry is in better shape today then ever. Visa and soon enough MasterCard will have tabs on everybody. The government is going to get its Taxes and the crooks will be kicked out the door. If anything, your going to see more and more people trying to get into the internet porn and your going to see companys like epoch & ccbill finding more and more reasons for these billing companies to jump on board. I dont know about you guys but Im excited about the future! -King __________________ <b> <a href="http://www.socalcash.com/ref=coed" target="_blank">FUCK SOCIAL SECURITY. Retire with some real cash in your pocket - SoCalCash.com</a> </b> <br /> <a href=http://www.socalcash.com/ref=coed><img src=http://www.socalcash.com/socal-120x60.gif border="0" alt="a retirement plan for pornographers">

01-17-2003, 04:36 PM	#31
Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	Corvette, Can you hit me up on ICQ? 6080966 I use ccbill as backup..but don't have visa as part of my backup with CCBILL. Use psw as primary..and now need to scramble to cover this..looking for specifics on how I can get the temporary setup for visa for the time period pswbilling is not processing. Thanks! First Lancelot Security..then probilling..now THIS! ARRGH!

01-17-2003, 04:46 PM	#32
Masturbationman Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 283	If you want the best solution you need to call iBll. They even have the ability to do currency conversion now in 6 different curencies. They just got me up in less than 1 hour. Ask for Todd in sales. Masturbation Man

01-17-2003, 04:49 PM	#33
OneHungLo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 40,906	Anyone know when that CCbill dialer is gonna be ready? looks like a good alternative to checks.

01-17-2003, 04:53 PM	#34
BluMedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,973	Damn that sucks. Anyone need anything let me know and I will try my best to help you out. Also I know CCBill can usually set you up really quick or you can just route your traffic to a sponsor or something. You should always have a backup though. Mark Erickson [email protected] __________________ IntenseCash - If you can't convert us then you might want to look for a new job . BrokeStraightBoys.com converting 1:124 stats counted by Nats

01-17-2003, 05:17 PM	#36
HunkyLuke Virgin by request ;) Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,924	F****K first I got screwed when probilling started scrubbing like hell, so I switched to PSW, now this shit is going on. Colin says probilling is back to normal scrubbing and is not affected by this visa thing, anyone using probilling here? If yes are you back to normal rejection/scrub rates? Please post, I am getting tired of having to switch my join page again and again..... Luke

01-17-2003, 05:21 PM	#37
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	Question: Why is PSW affected with this reg. and why are jettis probilling etc not? Andre __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

01-17-2003, 05:49 PM	#41
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	Globill keeps chugging alone, still seemingly immune to any troubles from VISA or MC. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

01-17-2003, 05:58 PM	#44
PornoBug Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 237	The Other Steve, I have tried Glo-Bill and quite frankly I dont like them, their demand for logo space (especially with that ugly logo of theirs) is incompatible with my sites and desire to have multiple billing options for clients on the join page. PSW are fine if they continue to accept VISA, if CCBill or Jettis take on Australian clients then I would like to hear from them.

01-17-2003, 06:06 PM	#45
schiz Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Middle of a cornfield Posts: 1,103	If you use PSW Billing and fear that you're processing will cease, I may be able to help. I can help you stay with PSW, with no VISA (or MC) fees ever, as well as uninterrupted service. I should be able to have everything cleared up for you before the deadline. Please shoot me an email ASAP if you're interested in securing your PSW account. [email protected]

01-17-2003, 06:11 PM	#46
HunkyLuke Virgin by request ;) Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,924	schiz, what are you proposing?

01-17-2003, 06:28 PM	#49
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Interesting... Masturbationman I am probably spamming Registered: Oct 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 3